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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 24, 2020 0:32:17 GMT 1
Transdev are reducing Sunday services further on 2A, 2B, 3, 6, 7, 62, 67, K1, K3,K5, K6, K7, K9, M4, Aireline and Brontebus and completely withdrawing Sunday journeys on the 24. Just to confirm, most routes ex Keighley are EVERY TWO HOURS on Sundays (66 and 662 run hourly).
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Post by 77syk7 on Apr 26, 2020 11:18:33 GMT 1
A quick question here - how many passengers would be allowed on a single decker bus and double decker bus if the social distancing rules were to be applied when we reach a slight lifting of the lockdown? I suppose I could try and work it out but just wondered if any of the bus companies already had the info.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 26, 2020 16:32:49 GMT 1
It’s basically 25% of capacity, only every other row of seating and only one person per double seat.
Although it’s doubtful if they would be 2m apart even then.
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Post by mutty on Apr 26, 2020 16:50:19 GMT 1
A quick question here - how many passengers would be allowed on a single decker bus and double decker bus if the social distancing rules were to be applied when we reach a slight lifting of the lockdown? I suppose I could try and work it out but just wondered if any of the bus companies already had the info. If you take an Arriva ( Dewsbury - so longer ) E200, then to maintain the current rules and accounting for their buggy space etc, your probably looking at 6 passengers ! Even less if you apply the same logic to a Wakefield E200
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Post by 77syk7 on Apr 26, 2020 19:25:59 GMT 1
Thanks for the replies - it seems there is no point in planning my next trips just yet!
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Post by glennh2 on Apr 29, 2020 12:24:35 GMT 1
Metro has stated that the May service change date will be postponed to an unspecified date. Does that mean the operator changes in Calderdale and Kirklees have also been postponed?
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Apr 29, 2020 13:41:33 GMT 1
Metro has stated that the May service change date will be postponed to an unspecified date. Does that mean the operator changes in Calderdale and Kirklees have also been postponed? CT Plus are still taking over the TLC services at Huddersfield as planned from 18 May
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Post by peteleeds on Apr 29, 2020 18:55:45 GMT 1
Metro has stated that the May service change date will be postponed to an unspecified date. Does that mean the operator changes in Calderdale and Kirklees have also been postponed? I see first are changing some timetables from sunday but i think its just for sundays
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Post by edmundwells on Apr 29, 2020 20:46:34 GMT 1
First X26/X27 will be suspended from Sunday with 11A serving Thorpe Park hourly instead. That's Thorpe Park, the last roundabout on Century Way, not The Springs itself. 11A will also have a new route through town to avoid the roadworks on A64M at Woodpecker.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 30, 2020 8:06:19 GMT 1
First will be making some changes to Halifax and Huddersfield timetables from Sunday 3 May.
363 Sunday daytime frequency reduced to hourly with a two hours' gap in the morning. Evening last trip to/from Bradford withdrawn.
576 Sunday and evening frequency reduced to hourly
For other services see first's website
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Post by 77syk7 on Apr 30, 2020 11:28:50 GMT 1
A quick look through First's Calderdale routes sees the following reductions on Sundays from 3rd May:- * 503 / 576 reduced to hourly all day * 508 sees the route truncated to Dawsons Corner only still on an H frequency * 590 reduced operation running between Tod & Rochdale only every 90 mins (this will leave the main Calder Valley route between Hx & Tod reduced to an hourly frequency Additionally the 521 Illingworth route sees a M-S daytime frequency reduced from 15 to 30 from 4th May.
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Post by martinsfp on Apr 30, 2020 14:35:18 GMT 1
In Leeds I've spotted a lot of 20 minute Sunday frequencies going down to 30, and 30 min evening frequencies going down to hourly. The 27 loses the short Leeds-Headingley Sunday daytime journeys too.
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Post by rwilkes on Apr 30, 2020 16:33:28 GMT 1
I have yet to see a bus with more than 3 passengers. It must be dreadful being a bus operator now
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 8:26:22 GMT 1
I have yet to see a bus with more than 3 passengers. It must be dreadful being a bus operator now Did catch one last week with 4 passengers on, 11.05 ex Wakefield 96 & driver said we were his first passengers of the day.
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Post by scania60066 on May 1, 2020 22:05:05 GMT 1
In Leeds I've spotted a lot of 20 minute Sunday frequencies going down to 30, and 30 min evening frequencies going down to hourly. The 27 loses the short Leeds-Headingley Sunday daytime journeys too. What short 27 headingley journeys? I drove that last Sunday and had no short headingley journeys
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Post by martinsfp on May 1, 2020 23:48:52 GMT 1
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Post by scania60066 on May 2, 2020 11:37:05 GMT 1
Its wrong i drove it last Sunday with fleet number 35550 it goes as far as Horsforth might explain why no1 boarded from Horsforth mind
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Post by martinsfp on May 2, 2020 12:14:31 GMT 1
Its wrong i drove it last Sunday with fleet number 35550 it goes as far as Horsforth might explain why no1 boarded from Horsforth mind Yeah, the timetable used to include Horsforth but seems to have changed at some point. But those First timetables are often wrong. They recently showed inbound evening 64s as terminating at Halton Dial.
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Post by resolution on May 4, 2020 15:41:24 GMT 1
I have yet to see a bus with more than 3 passengers. It must be dreadful being a bus operator now Well a couple of weeks ago on a Friday afternoon I was one of 12 passengers on a Volvo/Eclipse on a 328 heading towards Balmoral Avenue (1550 from town?). I had no alternative but to sit in a seat immediately behind someone else. Fortunately I'm not that paranoid about social distancing.
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Post by rwilkes on May 4, 2020 16:44:35 GMT 1
You do not need to be paranoid just careful. 1 in 600 has the disease but you do not want to be one of them. Follow the rules but do not fret about the odd lapse
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Post by 77syk7 on May 9, 2020 10:06:24 GMT 1
As the train companies seem to be planning on increasing their services from 50% to 70% on 18th May, do we expect some slight increasing of services from the bus companies on the same date?
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Post by adam on May 9, 2020 14:52:02 GMT 1
I think both train and bus will be a reactive timetable if passenger numbers increase then it may go back to a normal weekday service with some exceptions such as no express buses (X17, X41, X32 etc)
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Post by passenger859 on May 9, 2020 17:23:13 GMT 1
I think, given capacity of vehicles, the government will be relying on a lot of people who have started to work at home to continue to do so as much as possible in order to allow social distancing to continue. That will need a lot of support from employers.
Anyone who has stood on platform 16 at Leeds City Station in the evening peak trying to get on train towards Manchester will know that normal loading are way above 100%. The platform is usually a sea of people, so to get everyone with a clear 2m radius around them seems a bit of a challenge!
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Post by sharksmith on May 9, 2020 17:58:55 GMT 1
Not wishing to be negative and I sincerely hope I'm wrong but I don't see how public transport can return to the pre covid levels.
Martijn Gilbert summed up the position a few weeks ago in one of his Facebook live appearances.
Many people and businesses will have worked out that they can quite happily work from home, saving travel and office costs respectively, and will continue this in some form or other reducing commuter numbers.
Lots of people will have discovered new ways to make essential journeys such as walking or cycling and may continue after lockdown, again affecting work journeys along with school, leisure and shopping trips.
Our high streets will be forever changed with many shops already going out of business and likely others to fall by the wayside as more people have discovered online shopping by necessity. So fewer shopping journeys are likely to fill our off peak buses.
All of these factors will reduce journeys before we even take into account the inevitable fear factor involved with travelling with others.
Buses and trains need to carry more people than social distancing will allow to make a profit but many many people would feel uncomfortable travelling on even a lightly loaded unprofitable vehicle.
I've already thought about my own commute and sort of decided that I won't be able to return to my normal route. If I have to travel on a busy bus, it will have to be for 30 minutes a day using the Elland Rd park and ride instead of over two hours a day on my normal, much smaller bus.
Even if a vaccine is found within the next eighteen months or so, most people will have by then settled into their new routines and it will likely be many years before we could think about seeing full buses again.
How many companies, even multi national transport giants can afford to run with significant losses for 5-10 years to come?
Unless there is considerable subsidy or re-nationalisation of our buses I fear I will be needing a new hobby soon.
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Post by rwilkes on May 9, 2020 20:08:56 GMT 1
It does seem pretty grim for buses but there are some opportunities If roads are quieter due to home working and if the peak disappears, bus and train operation wil be hugely more efficient and cheaper People are liking the clean air, reduced traffic noise and lack of traffic jams. They nay demand to keep it Many have had a 6 week break from driving stress and want a way out At present 1 in 600 people are infected with Covid 19 and over 70% of these wil be indoors at home or hospital So if at the end of lockdown this figure was say 1 in 6000, with the new app and track and trace keeping them at home, maybe most peole would be a happy enough to use public transport, especially as the bus services wuld be quicker, more reliable and could be cheaper due the reasons above. It depends a lot on local authorities making the right decisions
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