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Post by Bradford Traveller on Nov 27, 2019 21:12:37 GMT 1
508 The last departure from Halifax for Leeds is 7 minutes earlier at 21:33.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Nov 28, 2019 6:29:01 GMT 1
I see the evening 301 is going down to hourly too - that didn't take long after the competition disappeared. Wonder if the last bus will disappear again during the week. 2315 Monday to Saturday 2215 Sunday That's off new timetable
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Post by deerfold on Nov 28, 2019 11:37:25 GMT 1
I see the evening 301 is going down to hourly too - that didn't take long after the competition disappeared. Wonder if the last bus will disappear again during the week. 2315 Monday to Saturday 2215 Sunday That's off new timetable Yes. I saw. Before Tiger competed First withdrew the 2315 except for Fridays and Saturdays.
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Post by 77syk7 on Dec 1, 2019 12:43:48 GMT 1
With reference to the new 508 times, can I correct 'Bradford Travellers' above post to state that the last 508 journey from Halifax is 2133. This means the departures from Halifax to Northowram (just 2 miles from Halifax and an expanding area of Calderdale) has the following departures in the mid-evening onwards - 2023, 2040, 2123, 2133, 2223 & 2310. The 50 minute gap is totally unacceptable and it does make me wonder if the timetable planners working for First are indeed working for the same firm!
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Dec 1, 2019 18:19:16 GMT 1
With reference to the new 508 times, can I correct 'Bradford Travellers' above post to state that the last 508 journey from Halifax is 2133. This means the departures from Halifax to Northowram (just 2 miles from Halifax and an expanding area of Calderdale) has the following departures in the mid-evening onwards - 2023, 2040, 2123, 2133, 2223 & 2310. The 50 minute gap is totally unacceptable and it does make me wonder if the timetable planners working for First are indeed working for the same firm! Sorry typed in a hurry, though it should be pointed out that the gap is even worse in the opposite direction, 55 minutes between buses from Odsal
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Post by 77syk7 on Dec 2, 2019 10:29:10 GMT 1
Thanks 'Bradford Traveller'for adding information to the above post. Further investigation of the new times from December 9th sees the following combined timetable from Northowram (Westercroft Lane) to Halifax. After 2100 the 508/681/2 are now scheduled to run as follows:- 2106 - 2106 - 2206 - 2206 - 2303 - 2307 - 0002! How can any timetable planners not realise that these 2 buses arrive together then there is a full hour's gap! The Northowram - Halifax service has gradually worsened over the years, but I am pleased we still have a late evening service. However, this latest version is unbelievable and I cannot understand how nobody working in the bus industry has not noticed this. Yes, I know one service is run by Halifax and the other by Bradford but there is little hope of any co-ordination between operators if they cannot sort it out in their own company! I do hope somebody from Firstbus is reading this, as trying to contact them with this info is just too difficult.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Dec 2, 2019 15:49:43 GMT 1
Thanks 'Bradford Traveller'for adding information to the above post. Further investigation of the new times from December 9th sees the following combined timetable from Northowram (Westercroft Lane) to Halifax. After 2100 the 508/681/2 are now scheduled to run as follows:- 2106 - 2106 - 2206 - 2206 - 2303 - 2307 - 0002! How can any timetable planners not realise that these 2 buses arrive together then there is a full hour's gap! The Northowram - Halifax service has gradually worsened over the years, but I am pleased we still have a late evening service. However, this latest version is unbelievable and I cannot understand how nobody working in the bus industry has not noticed this. Yes, I know one service is run by Halifax and the other by Bradford but there is little hope of any co-ordination between operators if they cannot sort it out in their own company! I do hope somebody from Firstbus is reading this, as trying to contact them with this info is just too difficult. 508,681,682 Should be15 min combined service Mon-Sat daytimes 30 mins Evenings & Sundays
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Dec 2, 2019 18:41:08 GMT 1
Thanks 'Bradford Traveller'for adding information to the above post. Further investigation of the new times from December 9th sees the following combined timetable from Northowram (Westercroft Lane) to Halifax. After 2100 the 508/681/2 are now scheduled to run as follows:- 2106 - 2106 - 2206 - 2206 - 2303 - 2307 - 0002! How can any timetable planners not realise that these 2 buses arrive together then there is a full hour's gap! The Northowram - Halifax service has gradually worsened over the years, but I am pleased we still have a late evening service. However, this latest version is unbelievable and I cannot understand how nobody working in the bus industry has not noticed this. Yes, I know one service is run by Halifax and the other by Bradford but there is little hope of any co-ordination between operators if they cannot sort it out in their own company! I do hope somebody from Firstbus is reading this, as trying to contact them with this info is just too difficult. 508,681,682 Should be15 min combined service Mon-Sat daytimes 30 mins Evenings & Sundays But I bet it you look at other points along both routes then they will be combined with other services to provide a regular frequency there. A problem with long routes is that you can’t always get a regular frequency between different services when they start/finish at differing points.
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Post by andy1 on Dec 2, 2019 18:49:24 GMT 1
This is all very well on paper, but the vagaries of the 508s varying timetable dependant on the time of day make this more difficult to achieve than you suggest. The 508 is a basket case of a route, of which the sheer lenght of it is a large part of the problem, roadworks , volume of traffic etc happen at various points on the route impacting severely, service reliability, it could yet suffer the same fate as the 670/1 after numerous timetable interventions ,the route was split in two.I myself did a journey on Sat lunch just gone, and it took me 4 hours to complete, 1 hour late ,Kirkstall Bridge /road , Leeds centre gridlocked.Not wishing to dismiss Northowrams timetable provision , demand in that area as diminished over the years, and i imagine is not a integrated timetable priority.
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Post by ratty on Dec 2, 2019 19:56:34 GMT 1
Pretty well said Andy. Some of us remember when Northowram had Halifax Corpy's 2 to the Queen Vic, 3 to Towngate, Hebble's 7 to Bradford, 15/27/28 to Leeds, NWRCC/YWD X12 Bradford to Manchester LMS. Plus, on Saturdays only Hebble's 29, the Wibsey Flyer to Bradford. The problem with Northowram is that there were all these services, for not that big a population. In the 60's/70's I would say probably up to 500 houses were built on greenland in the village, and the bus companies response? Keep reducing the service, so people stop using it. In the noughties several hundred more houses have been built and the village is now a small satellite town for Leeds, Bradford and even Manchester. You only have to drive up there and see that there are very few houses without cars nowadays. Therefore the bus becomes even less used. Anothervproblem as well is, the main road that carries the current 508/681/2 only serves about a quarter of the village, leaving three quarters having a minimum 10 minute walk to the main road. I have discounted the 533/4 as I always regard this as the Shibden bus, and when the earlier listed services ran, did not come up to Northowram. The village has certainly been part of the increased car ownership seen all over the country, and as a consequence people have stopped using buses.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 2, 2019 20:18:24 GMT 1
508,681,682 Should be15 min combined service Mon-Sat daytimes 30 mins Evenings & Sundays But I bet it you look at other points along both routes then they will be combined with other services to provide a regular frequency there. A problem with long routes is that you can’t always get a regular frequency between different services when they start/finish at differing points. That is often true, but I’m not sure it is here, as the 681/682 only has the 508 to cordinate with, as the Manchester Road part doesn’t need to coordinate as there are loads of buses. The 681/682 should really coordinate with the 508 at off peak times, which it already kind of does, and evenings and Sundays. I know it wouldn’t be possible at peak times due to the 508s extended running times.
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Post by stephen01 on Dec 2, 2019 22:41:39 GMT 1
I notice that Arriva's Boxing Day Services are approximately the same except no 268 looking at what's on the website and the Boxing Day 229 is Batley Branch Road to Leeds
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Post by mutty on Dec 2, 2019 23:08:49 GMT 1
I notice that Arriva's Boxing Day Services are approximately the same except no 268 looking at what's on the website and the Boxing Day 229 is Batley Branch Road to Leeds Probably because the 126 will operate Dewsbury -Wakefield this year, last year it was Ossett-Wakefield
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Post by stephen01 on Dec 2, 2019 23:10:49 GMT 1
I notice that Arriva's Boxing Day Services are approximately the same except no 268 looking at what's on the website and the Boxing Day 229 is Batley Branch Road to Leeds Probably because the 126 will operate Dewsbury -Wakefield this year, last year it was Ossett-Wakefield the website says that but still shows as the Ossett to Wakefield timetable
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Dec 3, 2019 19:49:58 GMT 1
I notice that Arriva's Boxing Day Services are approximately the same except no 268 looking at what's on the website and the Boxing Day 229 is Batley Branch Road to Leeds It's been changed. 229 Leeds to Heckmondwike NOT Batley, and 268 Wakefield to Bradford been added today.
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Post by stephen01 on Dec 3, 2019 20:41:18 GMT 1
I notice that Arriva's Boxing Day Services are approximately the same except no 268 looking at what's on the website and the Boxing Day 229 is Batley Branch Road to Leeds It's been changed. 229 Leeds to Heckmondwike NOT Batley, and 268 Wakefield to Bradford been added today. pity about the 229 as that was always popular everytime i've seen other the last few years
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Dec 3, 2019 22:45:35 GMT 1
It's been changed. 229 Leeds to Heckmondwike NOT Batley, and 268 Wakefield to Bradford been added today. pity about the 229 as that was always popular everytime i've seen other the last few years Why send a service that no longer serves Batley, to serve Batley just on Boxing Day? That in my view is a kick in the teeth to those who used the 229 service until February 2019 changes.
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Post by stephen01 on Dec 3, 2019 22:56:08 GMT 1
pity about the 229 as that was always popular everytime i've seen other the last few years Why send a service that no longer serves Batley, to serve Batley just on Boxing Day? That in my view is a kick in the teeth to those who used the 229 service until February 2019 changes. Well why not have the 281 operate on Boxing Day as that would make a good few quid as it links two retail parks that are both popular on Boxing Day
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 6, 2019 17:34:33 GMT 1
A short notice change is that First will be running additional 592 journeys between Todmorden and Burnley to help mitigate the withdrawal of service 589 The 0640 Todmorden to Halifax will start from Portsmouth at 0625 Extra journeys are 0740 Todmorden to Burnley 0825 Burnley to Todmorden 1631, 1726 Todmorden to Burnley 1720, 1820 Burnley to Todmorden. www.wymetro.com/plan-a-journey/travel-news/bus-travel-alerts/592-todmorden-burnley/
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 14, 2019 19:28:34 GMT 1
Following the various PVR reductions, has all the 503 gone back to Halifax or are Huddersfield still running some of it?
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Post by andy1 on Dec 14, 2019 21:36:18 GMT 1
Huddersfield 4 boards Mon to Sat .
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Dec 24, 2019 22:27:19 GMT 1
But I bet it you look at other points along both routes then they will be combined with other services to provide a regular frequency there. A problem with long routes is that you can’t always get a regular frequency between different services when they start/finish at differing points. That is often true, but I’m not sure it is here, as the 681/682 only has the 508 to cordinate with, as the Manchester Road part doesn’t need to coordinate as there are loads of buses. The 681/682 should really coordinate with the 508 at off peak times, which it already kind of does, and evenings and Sundays. I know it wouldn’t be possible at peak times due to the 508s extended running times. A few years ago, the daytime 508 was altered to coordinate with the 670/35 and 760/60 over Kirkstall Bridge.
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