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Post by dimmock87 on Aug 5, 2019 1:42:16 GMT 1
I know it's run hourly but arriva could gain more passengers/increased from this service by extending it by 1 extra stop. With arriva not running the 184/185 from Pontefract to Wakefield anymore with the exception of I think the 187 theirs no direct link for arriva from Airedale Castleford to Wakefield. Whilst some of my fellow drivers are happy they no longer have to drive through this area it also creates a problem for passengers/commuters who may have used the 184/185 to Wakefield for work etc. Unless they can catch the 187 the only other option is to either get a 184 into castleford or Pontefract & then to Wakefield from their. However this is where extending the x32 would come in. If the service was to get extended from junction 32 to the Airedale magnet not only would it provide another link from Castleford/Airedale to Wakefield it would also provide a direct service from Airedale to freeport. Yes the running times would have to ammended to fit the added stop however it would provide an alternative to people who live in the area but work at xscape/junction 32. Instead of taxis the castleford urban day ticket would be more appealling to potential passengers and would also provide another link for elderly & disabled passengers encouraging them to use the bus more than they would normally. Having it run til 8/9 in the evening week &.maybe Saturday then having it run between 9 - 6 on a weekend the company could profit from extra service.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 6:22:03 GMT 1
If this happened then shouldn't Castleford take over the service instead of BI? 156 and 159 also go through Airedale.
Maybe the 187 could become every 30 minutes, with 1 terminating at Castleford and the other going through to Wakefield? The 189 is pretty quick to Wakefield to be honest.
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Post by dimmock87 on Aug 5, 2019 6:56:46 GMT 1
If this happened then shouldn't Castleford take over the service instead of BI? 156 and 159 also go through Airedale. Maybe the 187 could become every 30 minutes, with 1 terminating at Castleford and the other going through to Wakefield? The 189 is pretty quick to Wakefield to be honest. With it just extending off the x32 then wouldn't make sense for cas to take it over unless their going to run the x32 from Wakefield. The 156/9 do a circular then go back to cas so That wudnt make a difference with the x32 going to junction 32 then to Wakefield & the 189 goes to Wakefield from cas & nowhere near junction 32. |
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Post by jdodger08 on Aug 5, 2019 17:16:34 GMT 1
The x32 has no passengers because it doesn't serve any towns between Wakefield and j32. Clearly demand for people to go to j32 from Wakefield isn't that great. In my opinion it should run limited stops through normanton and pick up for sure at the market place, it might then pick up a couple more passengers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 18:05:14 GMT 1
If this happened then shouldn't Castleford take over the service instead of BI? 156 and 159 also go through Airedale. Maybe the 187 could become every 30 minutes, with 1 terminating at Castleford and the other going through to Wakefield? The 189 is pretty quick to Wakefield to be honest. With it just extending off the x32 then wouldn't make sense for cas to take it over unless their going to run the x32 from Wakefield. The 156/9 do a circular then go back to cas so That wudnt make a difference with the x32 going to junction 32 then to Wakefield & the 189 goes to Wakefield from cas & nowhere near junction 32. Maybe the X32 could stop at Castleford, people going to Wakey could be tempted to use this. X32 Could be like this Leeds-Ponte-J32-Cas-Normanton-Wakey, non stop, might attract people as it only stops at the major stations. |
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Post by stephen01 on Aug 5, 2019 20:59:20 GMT 1
With it just extending off the x32 then wouldn't make sense for cas to take it over unless their going to run the x32 from Wakefield. The 156/9 do a circular then go back to cas so That wudnt make a difference with the x32 going to junction 32 then to Wakefield & the 189 goes to Wakefield from cas & nowhere near junction 32. Maybe the X32 could stop at Castleford, people going to Wakey could be tempted to use this. X32 Could be like this Leeds-Ponte-J32-Cas-Normanton-Wakey, non stop, might attract people as it only stops at the major stations. There's no way the X32 will work running that route due to various factors but the main and primary one been there are already services with decent frequencies (albeit 187 is hourly) between each section especially Castleford to Jct 32 and Pontefract. I do think however it will work running from Wakey (none-stop after Kirkgate Station) to Normanton Market Place and then none-stop to Jct 32. The 410 has the Leeds-Jct 32-Pontefract section covered on a half-hourly frequency which have decent loadings and is pretty much none-stop from Leeds to Glasshoughton Asda/College apart from when the drivers have to wait at timing point. Cas-Jct 32-Pontefract is another section with decent coverage as the 411 again providing a half-hourly frequency with the 184 & 187 providing another then factor in Ross Travel's 144/146 and Arriva's 177 evening and Weekend service that's decent frequency there. The proposal you've made for the X32 doing them full runs just isn't viable and logical let alone not cost effective either |
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Post by adam on Aug 5, 2019 21:32:46 GMT 1
The X32 seems to do well with the Wakefield College students during the term time. J32 doesn’t seem to attract that many people from Wakefield Via the Bus
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 21:55:12 GMT 1
The X32 seems to do well with the Wakefield College students during the term time. J32 doesn’t seem to attract that many people from Wakefield Via the Bus Most people come from the 411 or the train as Glasshoughton station isn't that far from the College. Why would they when the train is probably quicker? |
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Post by adam on Aug 6, 2019 7:17:25 GMT 1
The train doesn’t have a service from Wakefield
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 17:40:34 GMT 1
The train doesn’t have a service from Wakefield Well most people will get the 410 or 411 then as they're every 15 minutes essentially. Although last time I got a 187 to Pontefract, it was full from Airedale due to J32, and it was proper rammed. |
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Post by jdodger08 on Aug 6, 2019 20:55:19 GMT 1
The train doesn’t have a service from Wakefield Well most people will get the 410 or 411 then as they're every 15 minutes essentially. Although last time I got a 187 to Pontefract, it was full from Airedale due to J32, and it was proper rammed. Yeah I've seen 187, it usually has good loadings at j32 stop. It wouldn't hurt arriva to have a short running Castleford-Pontefract or at least Castleford-j32 that coincides every half hour. It's 20 minutes from Castleford to j32 on 187 so that would only be 1 bus per hour needed. Castleford to Pontefract is 31 minutes so that would require interworking with something else. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 21:22:14 GMT 1
Well most people will get the 410 or 411 then as they're every 15 minutes essentially. Although last time I got a 187 to Pontefract, it was full from Airedale due to J32, and it was proper rammed. Yeah I've seen 187, it usually has good loadings at j32 stop. It wouldn't hurt arriva to have a short running Castleford-Pontefract or at least Castleford-j32 that coincides every half hour. It's 20 minutes from Castleford to j32 on 187 so that would only be 1 bus per hour needed. Castleford to Pontefract is 31 minutes so that would require interworking with something else. 187 interworks with the 408/409 which go to Doncaster, so you couldn't really change that timetable. There's the 184 which takes 30 minutes but that goes through more Airdale than the 187. You have 3 buses an hour from Cas to j32. 2 411's and the 187. |
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Post by jdodger08 on Aug 6, 2019 21:40:26 GMT 1
Yeah I've seen 187, it usually has good loadings at j32 stop. It wouldn't hurt arriva to have a short running Castleford-Pontefract or at least Castleford-j32 that coincides every half hour. It's 20 minutes from Castleford to j32 on 187 so that would only be 1 bus per hour needed. Castleford to Pontefract is 31 minutes so that would require interworking with something else. 187 interworks with the 408/409 which go to Doncaster, so you couldn't really change that timetable. There's the 184 which takes 30 minutes but that goes through more Airdale than the 187. You have 3 buses an hour from Cas to j32. 2 411's and the 187. I commute to j32 5 times a week with different working patterns and days so I'm fully aware of the frequencies. In my humble opinion 1 more bus per hour would suit nicely and that's why I think a short working 187 Castleford-J32 would be great. J32 to Pontefract doesn't need anymore as there is already 5 busses per hour. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 21:51:16 GMT 1
187 interworks with the 408/409 which go to Doncaster, so you couldn't really change that timetable. There's the 184 which takes 30 minutes but that goes through more Airdale than the 187. You have 3 buses an hour from Cas to j32. 2 411's and the 187. I commute to j32 5 times a week with different working patterns and days so I'm fully aware of the frequencies. In my humble opinion 1 more bus per hour would suit nicely and that's why I think a short working 187 Castleford-J32 would be great. J32 to Pontefract doesn't need anymore as there is already 5 busses per hour. Although today at j32, the 411 and 187 came at the same time and there was a huge difference on how many people went on each bus. Where would you interwork this short working then? |
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Post by jdodger08 on Aug 6, 2019 22:42:33 GMT 1
The short working wouldn't have to interwork with anything. 1 bus just doing the same back and forth. Castleford to j32 is 20 minutes only so 40 minutes there and back.
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Post by adam on Aug 8, 2019 20:56:58 GMT 1
Castleford to Jcn 32 (and onto Pontefract) used to be one of the best served routes out of Castleford with Arrivas 135/6/8/9 (I think they were the numbers) then M Travels 134
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Post by dimmock87 on Aug 8, 2019 22:15:36 GMT 1
Castleford to Jcn 32 (and onto Pontefract) used to be one of the best served routes out of Castleford with Arrivas 135/6/8/9 (I think they were the numbers) then M Travels 134 133/4/5/6/7/9 we Castleford to Pontefract via junction 32 before arriva cut it down to 135/136 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 16:03:36 GMT 1
Honestly, I have a feeling that Arriva are planning to stop the 187 going into J32 from October. I think it's the j32 part, that is gonna get cut imo.
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Post by adam on Sept 3, 2019 6:46:27 GMT 1
Honestly, I have a feeling that Arriva are planning to stop the 187 going into J32 from October. I think it's the j32 part, that is gonna get cut imo. What makes you say that? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 6:54:33 GMT 1
Honestly, I have a feeling that Arriva are planning to stop the 187 going into J32 from October. I think it's the j32 part, that is gonna get cut imo. What makes you say that? 187 has been delayed a lot lately due to j32 and if you look in the october 2019 services changes thread there is a route change on the 187 and the only place I think they'll cut is j32. |
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