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Post by Jagga on Feb 4, 2019 21:57:40 GMT 1
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Post by 1071 on Feb 4, 2019 23:47:08 GMT 1
If you read the comments on the Facebook post, transdev are already looking at Bolton and Stagecoach are interested in Oldham which if that is the case and all the routes were transferred, Stagecoach(not including megabus) would venture back into Huddersfield making an hourly visit on the 184
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Post by andy1 on Feb 5, 2019 6:10:06 GMT 1
Not necessarily , good chance First will transfer 184 back to Huddersfield Depot , along with possibly the Littleborough /,Rochdale corridor 457,454 services to Todmorden depot .
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Post by sharksmith on Feb 5, 2019 8:12:36 GMT 1
I'd be surprised if Stagecoach were allowed to buy up any more of the Manchester network, particularly Queens Rd or Oldham, the latter would eliminate almost all competition in East Manchester, Ashton would be especially affected.
If I had to look for prospective buyers, Transdev would have to be favourites for Bolton but I wouldn't rule out Rotala for Bolton as this would fit nicely into it's other North West operations.
RATP are another shout, already have Selwyns, bid for the Metrolink franchise and talked about further expansion when Selwyns were purchased.
Keolis operate Metrolink and could possibly be interested in owning part of the Manchester bus scene to help out with tram replacement work.
Less likely could be National Express who also had a bid in for Metrolink in 2015.
Go Ahead have also been on the acquisition trail in recent years, are used to franchising as a major player in London and have shown they don't mind opening up shop away from their regular operating areas with their recently started Dublin work.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 5, 2019 8:48:12 GMT 1
If you read the comments on the Facebook post, transdev are already looking at Bolton and Stagecoach are interested in Oldham which if that is the case and all the routes were transferred, Stagecoach(not including megabus) would venture back into Huddersfield making an hourly visit on the 184 Comments on Facebook which means anything will happen other than the suggested idea! Both are quite unlikely in my opinion but you can see how people would put 2 and 2 together. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 5, 2019 8:50:59 GMT 1
A minor issue but the long term situation for the 184 is more likely to be either it becomes just a Huddersfield to Oldham Bus again not forming part of the main Saddleworth frequency, or it is replaced by a 183 to Marsden Hard End and is withdrawn over the tops all together.
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Post by martinsfp on Feb 5, 2019 9:25:00 GMT 1
A minor issue but the long term situation for the 184 is more likely to be either it becomes just a Huddersfield to Oldham Bus again not forming part of the main Saddleworth frequency, or it is replaced by a 183 to Marsden Hard End and is withdrawn over the tops all together. Speaking of withdrawing over the tops, I still miss the old 562 Halifax - Oldham route. I used to take that a lot. It would be a shame to lose the 184 Huddersfield- Oldham link. It was still quite busy last time I took it. |
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Post by DW1 on Feb 5, 2019 18:45:16 GMT 1
Wouldn't be surprised if Go-Ahead buy the Manchester operation
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Post by driver6540 on Feb 6, 2019 23:21:56 GMT 1
I think Huddersfield depot wouldn't really be interested in taking over the 184 in it's entirety. The Oldham-Manchester section is already well served by a number of services, plus competition from Metrolink would probably make it unattractive to FWY. Pre- 184 days, when Hudds ran the 365 to Oldham it wasn't a massively used service west of Marsden. Sadly it could be, that if and when FGM is sold there will be no direct bus link between Hudds and the Greater Manchester area.
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Post by passenger859 on Feb 7, 2019 11:45:22 GMT 1
A minor issue but the long term situation for the 184 is more likely to be either it becomes just a Huddersfield to Oldham Bus again not forming part of the main Saddleworth frequency, or it is replaced by a 183 to Marsden Hard End and is withdrawn over the tops all together. I hope not. I use it regularly between Manchester and Huddersfield, then transfer onto 202/3 or 229 to get to Leeds. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Feb 9, 2019 21:22:54 GMT 1
I think Huddersfield depot wouldn't really be interested in taking over the 184 in it's entirety. The Oldham-Manchester section is already well served by a number of services, plus competition from Metrolink would probably make it unattractive to FWY. Pre- 184 days, when Hudds ran the 365 to Oldham it wasn't a massively used service west of Marsden. Sadly it could be, that if and when FGM is sold there will be no direct bus link between Hudds and the Greater Manchester area. More likely would be for route 184 to come to Huddersfield depot but be replaced west of Oldham by extra route 180 journeys by the next owners of Oldham depot. |
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Post by resolution on Feb 10, 2019 23:04:25 GMT 1
A minor issue but the long term situation for the 184 is more likely to be either it becomes just a Huddersfield to Oldham Bus again not forming part of the main Saddleworth frequency, or it is replaced by a 183 to Marsden Hard End and is withdrawn over the tops all together. I hope not. I use it regularly between Manchester and Huddersfield, then transfer onto 202/3 or 229 to get to Leeds. All right provided you've got all day. Sounds like purgatory to me when there are five trains an hour doing the journey in a third of the time. |
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Post by passenger859 on Feb 11, 2019 18:48:42 GMT 1
I hope not. I use it regularly between Manchester and Huddersfield, then transfer onto 202/3 or 229 to get to Leeds. All right provided you've got all day. Sounds like purgatory to me when there are five trains an hour doing the journey in a third of the time. Did it today actually. 83 Oldham St - Hollinwood, visited a mate then walked to Hollins Road for 184 to Hudds, then probably my last "long" 229 from Hudds to Leeds. I use the trains far more than the buses so see your point, however sometimes it's nice to have longer to enjoy the spectacular Pennine scenery offered by the 184 route as opposed to dark tunnels. First two legs on a £5 First Manc Day then third on Arriva weekly which I'd be buying anyhow for travel to work. |
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Post by martinsfp on Feb 20, 2019 2:03:49 GMT 1
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Post by mark51953 on Feb 24, 2019 11:49:19 GMT 1
Just seen a post on Facebook saying Bolton sold to TransDev 🤔🤔 |
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Post by deerfold on Feb 24, 2019 14:19:24 GMT 1
Just seen a post on Facebook saying Bolton sold to TransDev 🤔🤔 In any particular group or from any particular person or company? |
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Post by mark51953 on Feb 24, 2019 14:53:58 GMT 1
Just seen a post on Facebook saying Bolton sold to TransDev 🤔🤔 In any particular group or from any particular person or company? On TransDev Facebook side don’t know if it’s a rumour |
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Post by driver6540 on Feb 26, 2019 22:39:39 GMT 1
It seems Queens Rd and Bolton were attractive enough to be snapped up quickly, But no news on a prospective buyer yet for Oldham depot. I stand to be corrected, but i always thought First was the dominant operator in the town of Oldham. I know in recent years Stagecoach have expanded in this area with their acquisition of smaller independants and do have a notable presence in Oldham, but on any given day (when iv'e been there) the majority of local services always seemed to be run by First. Unless i'm totally blind to the obvious (which i could well be), Is there a reason why Oldham depot would be less attractive to potential buyers than Queens Rd or Bolton?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 27, 2019 0:12:31 GMT 1
Bolton hasn’t been snapped up quite yet, the only source is still a dubious Facebook post.
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Post by rwilkes on Feb 27, 2019 0:14:40 GMT 1
But has Bolton been snapped up or is it just a rumour
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Post by mark51953 on Feb 27, 2019 8:41:10 GMT 1
But has Bolton been snapped up or is it just a rumour That’s what I’ve been trying to fine out on first enthusiast facebook sites but nobody answers |
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Post by gooderson1 on Feb 27, 2019 9:46:08 GMT 1
There was a posting on a Transdev Facebook site on Sunday. It has now been removed along with all the associated comments from site members.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 2, 2019 15:31:29 GMT 1
As it is, I now doubt Transdev would consider buying First Bolton. Their other operations are mainly centred on areas they have to themselves ie Malton, Harrogate, Keighley, Burnley & Blackburn. Even Rosso despite Rawtenstall depot having closed gives them that area to themselves. Transdev noticeably avoided Preston when Stagecoach were required to divest but would still have several routes in the area.
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Post by martinsfp on Jun 27, 2019 8:00:33 GMT 1
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