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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jul 24, 2017 6:32:21 GMT 1
But they are on about improvements, I honestly thought they brought in the Versa's at the same time as upping the frequency of the 66 then dropped it down again. The only real improvements worth doing to the 60 are having more express services, e.g. non stop Saltaire to Leeds journeys at a cheaper price than the train, or increasing the frequency. New buses with wi fi won't appeal that much to be honest, it's just a gimmick.
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Post by WYBS on Jul 24, 2017 9:00:55 GMT 1
Greengates to Leeds is the most profitable/ well used stretch so not stopping there will kill it.
Having new buses will definitley attract new custom as I can say for sure that people would rather be on a Transdev bus than First Bradford gemini that smells of wet dog. There are a lot of 'suits' that get on in Rodley and Calverley, they would certainley appreciate WIFI and usb charging.
The 760 already as higher much higher usage than the 670 throughout the day, single decks are a bad bad idea.
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Post by northerner on Jul 24, 2017 17:53:25 GMT 1
I really can't see Versas going on to the 60, they would be more suited to the 62 and 67/68
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Post by Burnside on Jul 24, 2017 20:35:42 GMT 1
The 60 needs deckers, simple as, whether Transdev get new ones or it continues to use everyone else's cast offs, the capacity is needed and single deckers, even with a frequency enhancement, won't suffice, that is obvious to anyone who has noticed the lack of single decks on that route for months now.
Versa's would be a good upgrade for the 67-9 routes in place of the old B10's and replace the rest of the B10's with ex-Mainline B7's.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 24, 2017 21:09:00 GMT 1
Maybe someone has got the wrong end of the stick, there will be new Versas and improvements to the 60, and assumed that was one and the same thing.
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Post by WYBS on Jul 24, 2017 21:39:53 GMT 1
Maybe someone has got the wrong end of the stick, there will be new Versas and improvements to the 60, and assumed that was one and the same thing. I had a pretty long discussion with the two drivers and they were very certain about the versas. Obviously the buses need to be replaced by 2020 and Transdev probably can't afford B5s for a route that is busy but not as profitable as the 36 for example. I hope Alex and his team read our comments!
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Post by leedsbus on Jul 24, 2017 22:31:14 GMT 1
'Autumn'
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jul 24, 2017 22:57:27 GMT 1
Don't see much wrong with the old ones to be honest, yes better seats needed, and more screws here and there to iron out the rattles but basically a refurb is all that's needed. The engines are good, they have power, they cost a lot less to refurb than a new bus does so why add these costs onto bus fares because that's what will happen.
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Post by WYBS on Jul 24, 2017 23:57:03 GMT 1
Don't see much wrong with the old ones to be honest, yes better seats needed, and more screws here and there to iron out the rattles but basically a refurb is all that's needed. The engines are good, they have power, they cost a lot less to refurb than a new bus does so why add these costs onto bus fares because that's what will happen. The only reason they have to get new buses is because of the Euro 6 by 2020 rule that Metro have thrown out there, not giving operators much time to think ahead.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 25, 2017 18:00:15 GMT 1
There will be no growth if they move to Versas, especially as it runs only half of the service on that corridor, and First's half is always double deck and increasingly modern (generally Gemini rather than wall to wall ALX400s like it used to be)
The ex Coastliner Gemini that they've got rid of would have been ideal, as would the current Coastliner Gemini once they get the next batch of Streetdecks,
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Post by Craig on Jul 25, 2017 18:48:03 GMT 1
Don't see much wrong with the old ones to be honest, yes better seats needed, and more screws here and there to iron out the rattles but basically a refurb is all that's needed. The engines are good, they have power, they cost a lot less to refurb than a new bus does so why add these costs onto bus fares because that's what will happen. The only reason they have to get new buses is because of the Euro 6 by 2020 rule that Metro have thrown out there, not giving operators much time to think ahead. Isn't that part of the terribly named "Bus 18" initiative which bus operators were signed up to from the outset? Plus legislation will ensure new buses are needed at some point in the future, and rightly so. If the Versa rumour proves true, I would hope this comes with a frequency increase in order to expand rather than reduce the market on this core route.
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Post by chas on Jul 31, 2017 8:04:38 GMT 1
After one week of the new 70/71 regime, the 70 still has some B10BLEs but gone are the electrics and I have not seen any double deckers. Refurbished 1860 was seen in service yesterday.
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Post by SCH117X on Jul 31, 2017 18:35:21 GMT 1
According to WYIS (dated 29/7) three of Harrogates B10BLEs have been stored for possible reuse at Burnley - 1084, 1085 and 1091. Still leaves 305-309, 1086, 1087 and 1093 active along with B7 demonstrator 1700 which is also to be withdrawn. As 1860 is in use (listed by WYIS as being at Thorntons along with 1854) maybe one other vehicle is now stored. Ex Burnley Mainline B7s 1853, 1861-1871 are all also stored for refurbishment and reallocation so I would expect a number of those will go to Starbeck as B10BLEs are still also used on Route 1 as well as dominating the 24 which is scheduled for newer vehicles later this year
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 31, 2017 19:13:52 GMT 1
There is talk of Blackburn's Tempos being returned off lease in a bit so I'm guessing some of the B7RLEs may end up there. Maybe the 24 could get some Versas off the Harrogate locals when the electric buses arrive, that's assuming those Versas are not leaving as well.
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Post by sharksmith on Aug 1, 2017 13:41:50 GMT 1
Take a look at @keighleybus's Tweet:
So the 60 will be Aireline and the graphics look suspiciously like a Versa.
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Post by hstjohnny on Aug 1, 2017 14:04:56 GMT 1
I believe it's Versas with a 20 min frequency meaning a PVR of roughly 15 vehicles
To be honest off peak the 60 could easily survive with singles at 20 min intervals. Wouldn't be surprised if they keep deckers on peak journeys though.
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Post by SCH117X on Aug 1, 2017 18:35:41 GMT 1
There is talk of Blackburn's Tempos being returned off lease in a bit so I'm guessing some of the B7RLEs may end up there. Maybe the 24 could get some Versas off the Harrogate locals when the electric buses arrive, that's assuming those Versas are not leaving as well. The Electrics are not due until next year while the 24 is supposed to be getting newer vehicles later this year. Suspect the Versas will go off lease (if they are leased) .
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Post by neukit on Aug 1, 2017 18:41:23 GMT 1
I believe it's Versas with a 20 min frequency meaning a PVR of roughly 15 vehicles To be honest off peak the 60 could easily survive with singles at 20 min intervals. Wouldn't be surprised if they keep deckers on peak journeys though. It's a 3h round trip, so they'd only need 9 to maintain a 20m frequency outside the peak periods. I can't imagine they would add another 6 buses for the peaks. I think there are a couple of DDs that come off school runs in the afternoon.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 1, 2017 21:00:40 GMT 1
At the moment two double decks come off morning schools onto the 60 (0840 & 0910) at one time one single deck used to go off but these days a double deck goes off.
Afternoons three double decks run off afternoon schools onto the 60 (1545 & 1635 and 1655 from Leeds)
At the moment daytime buses get 40 mins layover at Keighley end to aid with reliability rather than 10 mins so you'd need 10 to maintain this on a 20 min frequency.
Retaining double decks for the peaks doesn't seem like something the current management would do, especially as they will compromise the brand and will be much older. All the brands introduced have a fully consistent provision across (in theory) all journeys.
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Post by northerner on Aug 1, 2017 21:41:23 GMT 1
Retaining double decks for the peaks doesn't seem like something the current management would do, especially as they will compromise the brand and will be much older. All the brands introduced have a fully consistent provision across (in theory) all journeys. It's been confirmed double decks will be used for peak time journeys. The 66 is a bit of an odd one though, 3 branded vehicles and a PVR of 4 so its impossible to have the route fully branded, and the Shuttle has a PVR of 14 with 14 branded vehicles, so its just about a daily occurrence to have at least one non branded vehicle out
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 1, 2017 22:18:50 GMT 1
In that case then I bet it will stay every 30 mins. They've confirmed it'll be single decks on Saturdays as well.
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Post by SCH117X on Aug 4, 2017 18:42:54 GMT 1
Displaced Starbeck B10BLEs 305 and 1093 are on loan to York apparently covering for the Little Explorer Darts.
WYIS report the two Lancs Utd liveried Olympians (ex Dublin 2003 in yellow/blue and ex Lothian 2006 in blue/white) have moved to Keighley from Starbeck
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Post by yt776 on Aug 4, 2017 19:21:23 GMT 1
Displaced Starbeck B10BLEs 305 and 1093 are on loan to York apparently covering for the Little Explorer Darts. WYIS report the two Lancs Utd liveried Olympians (ex Dublin 2003 in yellow/blue and ex Lothian 2006 in blue/white) have moved to Keighley from Starbeck 1091 was also on little explorer earlier in the week
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 4, 2017 19:26:02 GMT 1
Another tweet today
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Post by northerner on Aug 4, 2017 20:29:51 GMT 1
Not sure I like the name as can't see the significance of it. And the Jets font looks very Trent Barton! But it's good to see Trasndev finally investing in the local network which has been largely neglected in recent years. Will be interesting to see which journeys and/or routes aren't part of the brand
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