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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 27, 2017 20:13:12 GMT 1
Only 11 branded for 163/166 then. Weren't about 13 or 14 Hybrids (i.e. them all) branded for those services. Good that they've Sapphired that one as a key route. Now Sapphire 415 next! I suppose the question is is there actually any difference in the interior spec between the sapphire ones and the "MAX" ones. If not, then the plain livery ones would be the spares for both routes with no downgrade in spec.
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Post by A1YBG on Jun 27, 2017 20:24:47 GMT 1
Only 11 branded for 163/166 then. Weren't about 13 or 14 Hybrids (i.e. them all) branded for those services. Good that they've Sapphired that one as a key route. Now Sapphire 415 next! I suppose the question is is there actually any difference in the interior spec between the sapphire ones and the "MAX" ones. If not, then the plain livery ones would be the spares for both routes with no downgrade in spec. Think only difference is the tv monitors one has next stop announcements above the stairs and downstairs and other has tv on front window and downstairs showing CCTV
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Post by passenger859 on Jun 27, 2017 21:15:32 GMT 1
I thought the idea of Sapphire was to encourage people to use the bus who may otherwise drive and thus increase passenger numbers. It's hard now though, as WiFi and charging sockets are expected as standard on public transport. The next stop announcements are useful to many. Personally I find I can read / watch BBC News without having the look out of window, especially on longer journeys.
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Post by stevieinselby on Jun 27, 2017 22:32:50 GMT 1
415 will never get sapphires - Selby depot has been down graded , so they'll hardly have any new buses now Not sure why it matters what the rest of the routes from Selby are like - if the 415 merits Sapphire (and I think it does) then it should get Sapphire - it shouldn't make any difference whether the rest of the fleet is made up of tatty old cast-offs from other dropped depots.
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Post by mutty on Jun 27, 2017 22:56:23 GMT 1
415 will never get sapphires - Selby depot has been down graded , so they'll hardly have any new buses now Not sure why it matters what the rest of the routes from Selby are like - if the 415 merits Sapphire (and I think it does) then it should get Sapphire - it shouldn't make any difference whether the rest of the fleet is made up of tatty old cast-offs from other dropped depots. As I said , Selby is now run on an operational basis like Yorkshire tiger is (cheap) it was the only way to safeguard the depot , the routes obviously make no money, so they won't invest in new vehicles! Probably the 415 props the rest of the depot up!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 27, 2017 23:05:48 GMT 1
Yorkshire Tiger still gets new vehicles
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Post by mutty on Jun 28, 2017 6:25:49 GMT 1
Yorkshire Tiger still gets new vehicles For the airport , which it has to under the LBA tender agreement, the rest are Arriva's cast offs
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Post by the110 on Jun 28, 2017 10:56:14 GMT 1
Not sure why it matters what the rest of the routes from Selby are like - if the 415 merits Sapphire (and I think it does) then it should get Sapphire - it shouldn't make any difference whether the rest of the fleet is made up of tatty old cast-offs from other dropped depots. As I said , Selby is now run on an operational basis like Yorkshire tiger is (cheap) it was the only way to safeguard the depot , the routes obviously make no money, so they won't invest in new vehicles! Probably the 415 props the rest of the depot up! You are correct without the 415 there wouldn't be a selby depot. While the other services do make a small profit it's no where near the amount the 415 makes.
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Post by Penfold on Jul 1, 2017 19:34:43 GMT 1
AY Spectras 703 and 712 (along with 2 others) are now withdrawn from service.
Penfold
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 1, 2017 22:58:07 GMT 1
I can't find the webpage (sorry!), but this morning I read 2 items of information, of which the first is more widely known:-
1. Buses from routes 163 & 166 will help upgrade routes like the 444.
2. Buses from routes 254 & 255 will help upgrade routes 425 & 427.
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Post by mutty on Jul 2, 2017 6:45:16 GMT 1
I can't find the webpage (sorry!), but this morning I read 2 items of information, of which the first is more widely known:- 1. Buses from routes 163 & 166 will help upgrade routes like the 444. 2. Buses from routes 254 & 255 will help upgrade routes 425 & 427. So if this is the case, it looks like the gemini's will leave heckmondwike for Wakefield , but then Heckmondwike are left with 52 reg lowlanders still !
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Post by passenger859 on Jul 2, 2017 15:14:26 GMT 1
I can't find the webpage (sorry!), but this morning I read 2 items of information, of which the first is more widely known:- 1. Buses from routes 163 & 166 will help upgrade routes like the 444. 2. Buses from routes 254 & 255 will help upgrade routes 425 & 427. So if this is the case, it looks like the gemini's will leave heckmondwike for Wakefield , but then Heckmondwike are left with 52 reg lowlanders still ! I'd been thinking myself that the non max Geminis from Heckmondwike may be heading to Wakefield. 425/427 and 444/6 have been largely worked by a common pool of vehicles in the past. Perhaps the split is to ensure hybrids are dedicated to routes that go into Leeds City Centre, where congestion is probably higher than most other points on the network. I'm not sure how many boards are on services 444/6. I'm guessing there may be hybrids spare when all boards are covered, allowing for 1 being serviced/on rest day. If this is the case then perhaps we may see them on other Wakefield depot Leeds services, namely 117/217/481. Some generic "Leeds-Wakefield Green Weaver" routes branding may work, given they are non direct services linking the cities with a lot of weaving through suburbs/towns (Ossett/Rothwell). Does anyone know what's happening to the Castleford 06 Lowlanders please? I'd assumed that now no longer needed for service 189 they may go to Heckmondwike to displace any 52s, however I'd not considered that Castleford may still need them to make up numbers, given the loss of some/all of the Optare Tempos.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 2, 2017 16:05:17 GMT 1
I can't find the webpage (sorry!), but this morning I read 2 items of information, of which the first is more widely known:- 1. Buses from routes 163 & 166 will help upgrade routes like the 444. 2. Buses from routes 254 & 255 will help upgrade routes 425 & 427. So if this is the case, it looks like the gemini's will leave heckmondwike for Wakefield , but then Heckmondwike are left with 52 reg lowlanders still ! There are 37 new buses There are 24 Spectras, 13 Tempos and 8 52 reg Lowlanders Therefore either the Lowlanders are staying, or they are going and only some Tempos are leaving, or maybe some Spectras are staying? If the 444 works on its own the daytime requirement looks to be 8, but there is peak times, the 443, and the 446 which might be linked?
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Post by passenger859 on Jul 2, 2017 17:59:57 GMT 1
Thanks for info on 444 vehicle requirement westyorkshirebus. I think 443 may be linked, although given that now doesn't travel north of Wakefield City Centre it might make more sense to be freestanding. I usually only notice "Arriva little buses" on it, given it's really part of the city network and would probably be better numbered 10x Perhaps 107 if that's free.
I guess 37 new buses may allow more than 37 to be withdrawn if there is a drop in peak vehicle requirement in the network. Don't know if there is or not. IMHO, the Spectras have provided great service for Arriva but they've had their day on prime city services now. The design was already looking dated when they were new.
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Post by Penfold on Jul 2, 2017 20:57:18 GMT 1
So if this is the case, it looks like the gemini's will leave heckmondwike for Wakefield , but then Heckmondwike are left with 52 reg lowlanders still ! There are 37 new buses There are 24 Spectras, 13 Tempos and 8 52 reg Lowlanders Therefore either the Lowlanders are staying, or they are going and only some Tempos are leaving, or maybe some Spectras are staying? If the 444 works on its own the daytime requirement looks to be 8, but there is peak times, the 443, and the 446 which might be linked? This was the latest mid last week but things are changing daily. All the Tempos are leaving (50/50 split between Tiger and ANE) and I believe some if not all of the 52 Lowlanders are stopping (again some were supposedly off to Tiger). There was also rumours of several Spectras stopping (709 and 716 are two possibles because of a substantial amount of money recently spent on their engines and/or gearboxes). 443's are not interworked with the 444 but some are (443's) interworked worked with 147/446/481's. Some 444's work all the way through to Hall Green especially at peak times. Penfold
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Post by passenger859 on Jul 3, 2017 7:03:45 GMT 1
Hybrid 1711 out in Leeds New York Street operating service 444 this morning with 163/6 branding rather well removed. Obviously fading of paintwork clearly visible around the bits formerly masked.
117 on same street still Spectra operated (705), however I guess that route may be waiting for some of the Heckmondwike Geminis or all of the Hybrids to come into service.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 8:11:06 GMT 1
The "little bus" E20D's tend to only be on the 443 in the evenings, during the day anyting can turn up on it during the day, & usually does
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Post by Penfold on Jul 3, 2017 15:52:53 GMT 1
There are 37 new buses There are 24 Spectras, 13 Tempos and 8 52 reg Lowlanders Therefore either the Lowlanders are staying, or they are going and only some Tempos are leaving, or maybe some Spectras are staying? If the 444 works on its own the daytime requirement looks to be 8, but there is peak times, the 443, and the 446 which might be linked? This was the latest mid last week but things are changing daily. All the Tempos are leaving (50/50 split between Tiger and ANE) and I believe some if not all of the 52 Lowlanders are stopping (again some were supposedly off to Tiger). There was also rumours of several Spectras stopping (709 and 716 are two possibles because of a substantial amount of money recently spent on their engines and/or gearboxes). 443's are not interworked with the 444 but some are (443's) interworked worked with 147/446/481's. Some 444's work all the way through to Hall Green especially at peak times. Penfold From what I have been told this morning ALL the Spectras are to be withdrawn and 'passed on'. Non will be kept. Any that have failed mechanically will be repaired for their 'new owners'. The 52 plate Lowlanders will enter the pool fleet and will be available for event hire, accident repair stand ins, general vehicle shortage etc. All the Hybrids are expected to be in service (from BI) by the end of this week and as soon as Heckmondwike's new vehicles arrive and enter the fleet the Geminis' will also be released to BI. Obviously this is subject to any change yet again ! Penfold
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Post by gledhill56 on Jul 3, 2017 15:55:38 GMT 1
If the Tempos make it to Tiger, what will they be replacing?
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Post by Penfold on Jul 3, 2017 16:45:34 GMT 1
If the Tempos make it to Tiger, what will they be replacing? Presumably the older and more unreliable stuff in the fleet but not having kept up with the fleet of YT I'm not sure Penfold
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Post by 1071 on Jul 3, 2017 17:06:30 GMT 1
This was the latest mid last week but things are changing daily. All the Tempos are leaving (50/50 split between Tiger and ANE) and I believe some if not all of the 52 Lowlanders are stopping (again some were supposedly off to Tiger). There was also rumours of several Spectras stopping (709 and 716 are two possibles because of a substantial amount of money recently spent on their engines and/or gearboxes). 443's are not interworked with the 444 but some are (443's) interworked worked with 147/446/481's. Some 444's work all the way through to Hall Green especially at peak times. Penfold From what I have been told this morning ALL the Spectras are to be withdrawn and 'passed on'. Non will be kept. Any that have failed mechanically will be repaired for their 'new owners'. The 52 plate Lowlanders will enter the pool fleet and will be available for event hire, accident repair stand ins, general vehicle shortage etc. All the Hybrids are expected to be in service (from BI) by the end of this week and as soon as Heckmondwike's new vehicles arrive and enter the fleet the Geminis' will also be released to BI. Obviously this is subject to any change yet again ! Penfold What no-one has discussed is what's happening the the 254/255 B7RLE buses as I don't think they're coming to tiger
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 3, 2017 17:33:55 GMT 1
From what I have been told this morning ALL the Spectras are to be withdrawn and 'passed on'. Non will be kept. Any that have failed mechanically will be repaired for their 'new owners'. The 52 plate Lowlanders will enter the pool fleet and will be available for event hire, accident repair stand ins, general vehicle shortage etc. All the Hybrids are expected to be in service (from BI) by the end of this week and as soon as Heckmondwike's new vehicles arrive and enter the fleet the Geminis' will also be released to BI. Obviously this is subject to any change yet again ! Penfold What no-one has discussed is what's happening the the 254/255 B7RLE buses as I don't think they're coming to tiger That's a good point as everyone seems to have forgotten that the 254/255 isn't entirely double deck at the moment. Assuming Heckmondwike's new double decks will be replacing double decks, then the B7RLEs will have to replace the non-MAX non-254/255 Gemini's at Heckmondwike, on the 220/221/222 etc.
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Post by 1071 on Jul 3, 2017 21:46:00 GMT 1
What no-one has discussed is what's happening the the 254/255 B7RLE buses as I don't think they're coming to tiger That's a good point as everyone seems to have forgotten that the 254/255 isn't entirely double deck at the moment. Assuming Heckmondwike's new double decks will be replacing double decks, then the B7RLEs will have to replace the non-MAX non-254/255 Gemini's at Heckmondwike, on the 220/221/222 etc. Well they could well be for 220/221/222 next but some still have mostly sandstone front ends 1103/4/6/9/10 and 1112
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Post by guyarab on Jul 4, 2017 21:53:57 GMT 1
What no-one has discussed is what's happening the the 254/255 B7RLE buses as I don't think they're coming to tiger That's a good point as everyone seems to have forgotten that the 254/255 isn't entirely double deck at the moment. Assuming Heckmondwike's new double decks will be replacing double decks, then the B7RLEs will have to replace the non-MAX non-254/255 Gemini's at Heckmondwike, on the 220/221/222 etc. Does this mean that those routes would be entirely single decker operated should the Geminis move in?
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Post by 1071 on Jul 5, 2017 20:11:32 GMT 1
Also with the new buses for hecky 229 will benefit on Sundays as the 255 swaps with 229 when they get into Leeds
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