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Post by deerfold on Sept 5, 2016 13:12:20 GMT 1
There are some fare changes from yesterday (4 September). Northern are reintroducing the CDR (offpeak day return) on certain routes eg Bradford to Blackpool, at about 15% of the SDR (anytime day return) price. Before anyone gets too excited, that's 15% off the SDR, not 15% of the SDR. Much unhappiness in Greater Manchester where most of the CDRs have gone up by 50p meaning cheaper fares have increased by 25%. There's been absolutely no publicity from Northern about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 17:47:35 GMT 1
They've also introduced some 'Anytime Short Return' tickets. These have one month validity but are only valid for one day on the outward portion. (This should cut down on missed revenue when no ticket inspection takes place!)
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Post by adam on Sept 7, 2016 16:45:51 GMT 1
It's to stop reuse of the outward portion which on an Anytime Return was valid for 5 days and if not dated could be used all 5 days
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Nov 14, 2016 13:56:30 GMT 1
Any service change from December?
AFAIK, the current timetable will continue until December 2017.
The 07:44 Bradford Interchange to Leeds will start back at Halifax.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 14, 2016 20:28:28 GMT 1
Any service change from December? AFAIK, the current timetable will continue until December 2017. The 07:44 Bradford Interchange to Leeds will start back at Halifax. Is that the "Grand Central" one?
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Nov 14, 2016 21:05:11 GMT 1
yes, it's not listed as such as it's classed as a northern railway service. Don't think the 1 symbol is used as northern railways don't have first class accommodation.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Nov 15, 2016 16:45:50 GMT 1
Any service change from December? AFAIK, the current timetable will continue until December 2017. The 07:44 Bradford Interchange to Leeds will start back at Halifax. Considering, it comes via Mirfield and Brighouse to Halifax and Bradford, wouldn't it be better to start it at Mirfield, to relieve pressure on the local stoppers via Dewsbury and Batley?
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Post by deerfold on Nov 15, 2016 17:43:00 GMT 1
Any service change from December? AFAIK, the current timetable will continue until December 2017. The 07:44 Bradford Interchange to Leeds will start back at Halifax. Considering, it comes via Mirfield and Brighouse to Halifax and Bradford, wouldn't it be better to start it at Mirfield, to relieve pressure on the local stoppers via Dewsbury and Batley? Is there much pressure on those before 7? They'd also have to reroute it so it went through Dewsbury and Batley. www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y42111/2016/12/20/advanced
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Nov 15, 2016 18:34:31 GMT 1
Considering, it comes via Mirfield and Brighouse to Halifax and Bradford, wouldn't it be better to start it at Mirfield, to relieve pressure on the local stoppers via Dewsbury and Batley? Is there much pressure on those before 7? They'd also have to reroute it so it went through Dewsbury and Batley. www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y42111/2016/12/20/advancedNot if it went Mirfield, Brighouse, Halifax, Bradford, New Pudsey, Bramley, Leeds. It's already running empty, through Mirfield and Brighouse to get to Halifax or Bradford, so why not put it in service?
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Post by deerfold on Nov 15, 2016 18:41:21 GMT 1
Not if it went Mirfield, Brighouse, Halifax, Bradford, New Pudsey, Bramley, Leeds. It's already running empty, through Mirfield and Brighouse to get to Halifax or Bradford, so why not put it in service? How popular do you expect that to be? It's a much slower way to get to Leeds.
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Post by adam on Nov 15, 2016 20:08:40 GMT 1
Also the crew as well gotta get to Mirfield.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Nov 15, 2016 20:33:07 GMT 1
Also the crew as well gotta get to Mirfield. If it's gonna be starting from Halifax and some point in the future, surely staff will have to get to Halifax as well, so, couldn't it be run with no staff checking tickets, just someone to unlock the doors, until staff got on?
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Nov 15, 2016 21:29:11 GMT 1
a) the train will only run until December 2017 b) running as a relief for short trains calling at Halifax, Bradford Interchange etc. c) there's no fare for Mirfield-Leeds via Bradford
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Nov 15, 2016 22:18:41 GMT 1
I recall reading elsewhere that the reason it started at Bradford was due to the train crew being based there. It looks like they've got round that if they are starting it at Halifax. Also the crew as well gotta get to Mirfield. If it's gonna be starting from Halifax and some point in the future, surely staff will have to get to Halifax as well, so, couldn't it be run with no staff checking tickets, just someone to unlock the doors, until staff got on? Have you any idea how big a can of worms that would open up?!!
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Post by adam on Nov 16, 2016 9:24:58 GMT 1
The guard can travel on one of the 4 trains per hour to pick up their train. Not quite as easy to get to Mirfield
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Post by Burnside on Nov 16, 2016 14:20:02 GMT 1
Right.
The train comes empty stock from Crofton depot (on the branch between Wakefield Kirkgate and Streethouse), but I think (other than the driver) the rest of the crew are based at Bradford.
The Grand Central unit was hired to run Bradford to Leeds to cover for the services either side of it which have both been shortened for the last few months. The last Class 170's at Transpennine Express were transferred to Chiltern, so TPE reduced the number of 185's they were hiring out to Northern for Manchester to Blackpool/Barrow/Windermere services, so in turn Northern had to take carriages off some services to be able to provide enough carriages for these services.
To correct a comment above, while there is no Mirfield to Leeds fare routed specifically via Bradford, the Any Permitted route does allow travel from Mirfield to Leeds via Brighouse, Halifax and Bradford, so there'd be no problem on that score starting the service at Mirfield. However, it'd be fairly pointless as it takes a lot longer via Bradford than going via Dewsbury. There's probably no need to start it from Brighouse as there is a Huddersfield to Leeds train right in front of the empty unit and as Brighouse is only the second stop (and most people from Huddersfield will use the fast TPE services), there'll be no capacity issue there.
Looking at RealTime Trains, the unit will come empty from Crofton to Halifax so it's likely the conductor will use the 07:02 Hebden Bridge train from Bradford to connect at Halifax.
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Post by deerfold on Nov 16, 2016 15:00:43 GMT 1
To correct a comment above, while there is no Mirfield to Leeds fare routed specifically via Bradford, the Any Permitted route does allow travel from Mirfield to Leeds via Brighouse, Halifax and Bradford, so there'd be no problem on that score starting the service at Mirfield. However, it'd be fairly pointless as it takes a lot longer via Bradford than going via Dewsbury. There's probably no need to start it from Brighouse as there is a Huddersfield to Leeds train right in front of the empty unit and as Brighouse is only the second stop (and most people from Huddersfield will use the fast TPE services), there'll be no capacity issue there. Single/Returns/Seasons Mirfield to Leeds would be fine - but anyone with an MCard would additionally need Zone 4 to use this train. There's also a train from Mirfield to Brighouse quarter of an hour before this one. I'd agree there's really not likely to be much demand for this service to make additional stops.
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Post by driver6540 on Dec 19, 2016 23:06:53 GMT 1
Apologies if reported elsewhere, but 158 752 is the first unit to emerge in the new livery. Opinions will vary, but IMO seriously underwhelming.
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Post by adam on Dec 19, 2016 23:29:13 GMT 1
It's only part 1 of 3 of the refurbishment process
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 17:19:05 GMT 1
Apologies if reported elsewhere, but 158 752 is the first unit to emerge in the new livery. Opinions will vary, but IMO seriously underwhelming. Looks better than Trans Pennine flic.kr/p/Pavur4
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Post by biroguy on Dec 22, 2016 17:25:38 GMT 1
Apologies if reported elsewhere, but 158 752 is the first unit to emerge in the new livery. Opinions will vary, but IMO seriously underwhelming. Looks better than Trans Pennine flic.kr/p/Pavur4That`s going to be a nightmare to keep clean, British Rail painted its DMU`s in white in the 1970`s with a blue stripe, soon looked a mess. The livery was quickly changed to dark blue and grey. The last Northern franchise used pale lilac on its first repaints but soon ditched that look for purple. Dark colours wear so much better on trains.
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Post by Marcus on Jan 17, 2017 17:46:23 GMT 1
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Post by driver6540 on Jan 17, 2017 22:27:37 GMT 1
150275 has come back from its refurbishment at Kilmarnock, underwhelming if you ask me Agreed.
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Post by gooderson1 on Jan 18, 2017 0:12:35 GMT 1
No amount of refurbishment on the inside or repainting the outside will hide the fact that decent modern stock is needed rapidly(yes I know procurement will take years)
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Post by biroguy on Jan 18, 2017 9:48:54 GMT 1
No amount of refurbishment on the inside or repainting the outside will hide the fact that decent modern stock is needed rapidly(yes I know procurement will take years) I agree totally, the Sprinters were good in 1986 but 30 years on really? In that time rail fares have rocketed!!!! I actually prefer the 144 Pacers simply due to the fact you don`t need ear plugs and can hold a conversation! I`m dubious about Arriva Northern/German State Railways. Alex Hynes is an impressive MD but the reality on the ground isn`t great, most Northern routes will continue with refurbed cast off stock some of which will be older than the trains running now.
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