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Post by gooderson1 on Dec 9, 2015 8:22:38 GMT 1
If I heard correctly on Radio 4 within the last minute Northern Rail franchise awarded to Arrive and TPE stays with First
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Post by adam on Dec 9, 2015 8:30:26 GMT 1
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Post by deerfold on Dec 9, 2015 9:19:28 GMT 1
Are we going back to Northern Spirit?
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Post by timelesstable on Dec 9, 2015 9:27:24 GMT 1
Are we going back to Northern Spirit? No but we could run a completion to guess which services will get the Sapphire and MAX treatment. or if things start going wrong and there is a need to trim a bit of which trains sets will get painted orange and get a tiger on the side
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Post by adam on Dec 9, 2015 10:07:27 GMT 1
There will be a sub brand called Northern Connect which is assume will be a Sapphire level or at least Max. It will connect large cities and long distance service like Lincoln to Leeds via Sheffield and Chester to Leeds via Manchester and Calder Valley
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Post by Burnside on Dec 9, 2015 12:20:12 GMT 1
Details of changes/improvements:
WHITBY - MIDDLESBROUGH: An additional morning service from Whitby to Middlesbrough Possible improvements to frequency funded by developers of a potash mine. Sunday service to operate all year round from 2017.
SCARBOROUGH TO YORK: New hourly Northern service between York and Scarborough 7 days a week.
LEEDS TO BRIDLINGTON: New service at least 12 times a day via Selby, Hull and Beverley. Introduction of an hourly Sunday service between Leeds and Selby, providing a 2 tph service for stations between Leeds and Micklefield and a regular service at South Milford.
LEEDS TO HARROGATE: 4 tph between Leeds and Harrogate 7am-7pm. Evening services enhanced. Some of these provided by VTEC. Additional Northern services do not have to call at all intermediate stops, allowing for faster journeys. Additional late service from Leeds to York via Knaresborough. Sunday frequency of 2tph between Leedsw and Knaresborough with more extended to York.
AIREDALE/WHARFEDALE: Brand new electric trains introduced, operating as 6 car sets at peak times. Improved evening frequency. Sunday service between Bradford and Ilkley/Skipton increased to hourly.
LEEDS TO LANCASTER: Service level increased to 7 per day. 1 train to arrive Leeds by 08:45 and 1 to depart Leeds between 17:00 and 17:59. One evening departure from Leeds after 19:15. 1 train to arrive Lancaster between 08:00 and 09:00 and 1 to depart between 17:00 and 18:00 Sundays to have 5 trains a day instead of 4.
LEEDS TO CARLISLE: An additional train each way (2 on sundays) 2 trains to depart Leeds between 16:00 and 19:00
LEEDS TO DONCASTER: New (or newer) electric trains to replace 321's and 322's. Sunday service increased to Hourly.
LEEDS TO NOTTINGHAM: Service to run via Wakefield Westgate, not Barnsley and will be extended to start from Bradford Interchange. Service will call at new station at Ilkeston. Current service level via Barnsley to be maintained. Elsecar to get a half hourly service. Sunday service between Leeds and Sheffield via Moorthorpe to go hourly.
PENISTONE LINE: More seats through withdrawl of pacers. Sunday service to go hourly.
PONTEFRACT LINE: Leeds to Knottingley to go half hourly. Wakefield to Knottingley via Featherstone to start at Leeds. Sunday service to be hourly, alternating between via Castleford and via Featherstone.
CALDER VALLEY: 3tph between Bradford and Manchester. significantly enhanced evening service Brand new diesel trains as part of Northern Connect network, providing hourly links to Liverpool or Manchester Airport. 2tph Bradford to Manchester on Sundays.
LEEDS TO CHESTER: New Northern Connect service between Leeds and Chester via Man Vic, Newton Le Willows and Warrington Bank Quay.
YORK TO BLACKPOOL: Continues to run hourly, as part of the Northern Connect network with brand new trains.
LEEDS/BRADFORD - SOUTHPORT: 1tph between Southport and Manchester extended to Bradford or Leeds (or both).
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Post by timelesstable on Dec 9, 2015 22:10:28 GMT 1
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Post by gooderson1 on Dec 9, 2015 23:36:42 GMT 1
Have looked at the link posted by timelesstable. Whilst it gives details of all the improvements to the services on the new franchise the picture at the top of the press notice shows a red Arriva bus crossing Westminster Bridge in front of the Houses of Parliament. I can only assume that Arriva HQ publicity department do not not know the difference between a bus in London and a train in the north of England. Perhaps I am being a bit picky.
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Post by Dom on Dec 10, 2015 2:45:31 GMT 1
Have looked at the link posted by timelesstable. Whilst it gives details of all the improvements to the services on the new franchise the picture at the top of the press notice shows a red Arriva bus crossing Westminster Bridge in front of the Houses of Parliament. I can only assume that Arriva HQ publicity department do not not know the difference between a bus in London and a train in the north of England. Perhaps I am being a bit picky. 'oh I say, what is a 142 rail bus? Let's put a photo of a bus, it must be similar' (House of Commons, yesterday morning)
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Post by timelesstable on Dec 10, 2015 5:10:39 GMT 1
Have looked at the link posted by timelesstable. Whilst it gives details of all the improvements to the services on the new franchise the picture at the top of the press notice shows a red Arriva bus crossing Westminster Bridge in front of the Houses of Parliament. I can only assume that Arriva HQ publicity department do not not know the difference between a bus in London and a train in the north of England. Perhaps I am being a bit picky. No I totally agree with you, I did wonder when I saw the way Arriva had covered what for them must be a step forward with the result, they take a minimum of two steps backwards with their own press release.
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Post by SCH117X on Dec 10, 2015 19:05:17 GMT 1
The picture is a common header to all news stories on the web site. Might have be better if they had a merged bus rail one
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Post by jc on Dec 11, 2015 14:06:36 GMT 1
Is the hourly Scarborough York train replacing the TPE service or will there be 2 an hour? I heard several years ago that Northern were looking at running Scarborough trains parallel to TPE which obviously never happened.
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Post by deerfold on Dec 11, 2015 15:22:08 GMT 1
Is the hourly Scarborough York train replacing the TPE service or will there be 2 an hour? I heard several years ago that Northern were looking at running Scarborough trains parallel to TPE which obviously never happened. From maps.dft.gov.uk/northern/index.html
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Post by timelesstable on Dec 12, 2015 17:47:33 GMT 1
A bit more from Arriva: www.railjournal.com/index.php/rolling-stock/arriva-confirms-northern-rolling-stock-plans.html?channel=529ARRIVA has confirmed further details of its plans for new rolling stock for the Northern franchise following its selection as preferred bidder for the contract on December 9. Around £400m will be invested in 98 new 160km/h multiple units (281 vehicles) comprising 43 EMUs (three and four-car) and 55 DMUs (two and three-car), which will enable the withdrawal of the fleet of class 142 and 144 Pacer railbuses by 2019. Tendering for the new trains is underway and Arriva says it expects to sign a contract by April. The new EMUs will be deployed on Northern Connect services from Blackpool, Windermere and Preston to Manchester Piccadilly, Manchester Airport, Crewe, and Stoke-on-Trent. They will also be used on Manchester - Glossop/Hadfield services, which are currently operated by class 323 EMUs, and supplement the existing fleet of class 333 EMUs on services from Leeds to Ilkley, Skipton, and Doncaster. Arriva says the new DMUs will operate "almost all" diesel Northern Connect services, which will link northern England's core cities (Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds, and Newcastle) with destinations including Chester, Barrow-in-Furness, Lincoln, Nottingham, and Hull.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Dec 21, 2015 20:17:12 GMT 1
The picture is a common header to all news stories on the web site. Might have be better if they had a merged bus rail one What's even more ironic is that the London bus route 76 does not go to Aldwych via the House of Commons it goes from Waterloo via the next bridge along the Thames ( Waterloo Bridge ) via Aldwych to Tottenham
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Dec 21, 2015 20:18:31 GMT 1
The picture is a common header to all news stories on the web site. Might have be better if they had a merged bus rail one What's even more ironic is that the London bus route 76 does not go via the House of Commons it goes from Waterloo via the next bridge along the Thames ( Waterloo Bridge ) to Tottenham Are these New DMUs for Arriva Northern, these promised Refurbished London Underground District Line Trains
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Post by Burnside on Dec 22, 2015 9:33:54 GMT 1
No.
D-Trains as they are being named are not part of the new franchise.
To fulfil the plans and allow for withdrawl of Pacers, there will be brand new Diesel & Electric units plus units cascaded from other operators. 3 Class 150's are expected to come from London Midland when they receive 153's from Great Western, plus 158's and 170's are expected to be freed by electrification in Scotland so some of these may come to Northern.
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Post by guyarab on Dec 22, 2015 22:00:24 GMT 1
I notice in Tim's details of Arriva's enhancements that the Huddersfield line gets no mention, so does that mean no improvements on that line?
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Dec 23, 2015 2:07:00 GMT 1
I notice in Tim's details of Arriva's enhancements that the Huddersfield line gets no mention, so does that mean no improvements on that line? No it doesn't. The principal operator is still First Transpennine so any improvements will not appear on this thread.
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Post by Burnside on Dec 23, 2015 7:59:48 GMT 1
As stated above, the Huddersfield line is mainly TPE and details of their franchise is separate and a little more difficult to understand as the improvements are not listed on a line by line basis, but station by station: maps.dft.gov.uk/transpennine-express/index.htmlAt one point, the plan was for the stations between Huddersfield and Stalybridge to be served by TPE as the addition of an extra train per hour would prevent Northern's stopper from operating, but to keep journey times down they'd only call at alternate stations, so 1 train would call at either Slaithwaite or Marsden and then either Greenfield or Mossley and another would serve the two stations not served by the first (meaning no direct service from Slaithwaite to Marsden) and also for TPE to take over calls at all stops between Huddersfield and Leeds (giving the bizarre scenario where Northern's stoppers would run express and TPE express services would be stoppers) but i can find no reference to this in the published info for either franchise, so we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by timelesstable on Dec 23, 2015 8:48:18 GMT 1
I notice in Tim's details of Arriva's enhancements that the Huddersfield line gets no mention, so does that mean no improvements on that line? No it doesn't. The principal operator is still First Transpennine so any improvements will not appear on this thread. What about the branch into Wakefield, that is Northern operated by some rather vintage kit
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Post by guyarab on Dec 23, 2015 23:16:10 GMT 1
I notice in Tim's details of Arriva's enhancements that the Huddersfield line gets no mention, so does that mean no improvements on that line? No it doesn't. The principal operator is still First Transpennine so any improvements will not appear on this thread. There is currently a Northern train between Leeds and Huddersfield calling at most stops along the route and another to Mirfield before branching off to Manchesyer Victoria. Will these change? Thanks Tim, for finding out what you could.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Dec 23, 2015 23:42:50 GMT 1
There will be new Leeds - Chester & Leeds - Southport services but there's no definite routing for these.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Dec 24, 2015 11:23:35 GMT 1
There will be new Leeds - Chester & Leeds - Southport services but there's no definite routing for these. It would be Good to run those via Calder Valley, but then again, if those services delay, that's going to mess up services from Man Victoria - Leeds
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Post by Burnside on Dec 24, 2015 14:12:13 GMT 1
They will run via the Calder Valley line, but it's not known whether they will run via Halifax and Bradford or via Brighouse and Dewsbury. The Southport service may be Southport to Bradford or Southport to Leeds, that has yet to be decided.
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