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Post by steve440 on Jul 17, 2020 9:40:13 GMT 1
The Brown Lane loop is... well, Brown Lane, Holbeck. Coming out of Leeds it's on your right off Top Moor Side, opposite Holbeck Moor. I can't remember if buses went as far as Ingram Road but they did a loop around the Cleveleys, onto Crosby Street and back out along Brown Lane to Top Moor Side. That whole area was cut off in different ways when the M621 and Ingram Road Distributor were built. Service 46 (now 86) used to run up from Moor Road, Hunslet Hall Road, Lane End Place (now a wide footpath covered by the M621) and Holbeck Moor Road, for example. Nothing ever ran on Brown Lane previously, that I can see. On the South Accommodation Road services - there's no route description. Service 63 ran from Eastgate to Eastgate via York Road, South Accommodation Road and Hunslet Road (the other way around for service 64). Timing point at Donisthorpe Street, journey time of around 18 minutes, every 20 minutes (so they probably arrived at Eastgate as a 63 and became a 64, and vice versa). Fare Stages were at Eastgate, Woodpecker Inn, Ellerby Lane, Donisthorpe Street and Crown Point Road. Hope this helps ;-) The 63 and 64 routes operated a continuous circle staying on the same route with just 2 minutes standing time in Eastgate (63) or Vicar Lane (64).
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Post by joseph on Jul 17, 2020 21:24:09 GMT 1
I can't remember name but wasn't there a company briefly using Livery of Yellow, Red, and two different greens - Bright and normal? PMT ran in Leeds for a short while using a red/yellow based livery that may have contained green, could have been them. They had a tender on the 66 Leeds to Pudsey/Greengates/Tyersal via Leysholme group of services. You also had operators who borrowed vehicles from operators, and Miramare had a multi-coloured single decker. SUT ran for a while in the Leeds area on the 90, who's route was along the same lines more or less as the 66 group above, they operated in a few different liveries so the livery you described may have been one of them.
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Post by yorkslad on Jul 17, 2020 22:15:31 GMT 1
Thank you very much so. Think we've both said the similar thing. The routes, even the late 90's, early 00's, have all had route changes due to road changes etc. It's interesting that today and could even argue for the last 15 years we've really had no proper circular routes/no real short inner city workings anymore apart from services to East End Park. My favourite of these for route changes is the 46 (now 86) that I mentioned earlier. In the 1960s, from Hunslet it used to run via Moor Road, Hunslet Hall Road, Beeston Road, Lane End Place, Holbeck Moor Road, Domestic Street, Spence Lane (at one point via Wortley Lane, Gelderd Road, Smithfield Street, Whitehall Road, Gelderd Road to Spence Lane, I think as a traffic management scheme), Wellington Road, and Bruce Street to Hall Lane.
By the end of the decade it ran as now from Moor Road via Tunstall Road and Dewsbury Road (because part of Moor Road is under the motorway) to regain the route at Hunslet Hall Road; then it has to run up Lady Pit Lane, Malvern Road, Beeston Road, Cemetery Road and Top Moor Side (because of the other motorway using the former line of Elland Road) to regain the route at Domestic Street; then via Domestic Road to Gelderd Road (but the wrong way than the old route initially) to merge with the A643 Ingram Road Distributor, which uses the top end of Spence Lane to approach the Gyratory. Then it continues on Wellington Road to Tong Road and Green Lane to regain the route at Hall Lane (because the Bruces and Clydes were all rebuilt and Bruce Street was built over).
And yet that route with all its changes and variations over the years (86A, 87) has endured in a way that the 45(95)/64/38/39 from Wortley to Seacroft/Whitkirk/Colton hasn't.
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Post by joseph on Jul 18, 2020 14:52:02 GMT 1
Another memory from the past up East End Park was the CB2, I think it ran along the same route as the 61/62 as far as Easy Road from Stanley Road but I can't remember it's full route. If I remember correctly, at one point there was a second version of the CB2, this time operated by Amberley Travel. This was similar to the 61/62 between Stanley Road and Easy Road, but then went via Cross Green Industrial Estate terminating at Hunslet Morrisons.
Some of those CB services were interesting, I believe the CB1 was a City Centre based route, and then you had the CB3 from Cottingley via Armley and Hyde Park to Leeds. I can't remember the others, but I'm sure it went up as far as CB5.
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Post by yorkslad on Jul 18, 2020 16:27:47 GMT 1
The "from November 1987" RiderGuide for Leeds lists:
CB1 Leeds City CentreLine. Shuttled between the bus and rail station every 7 or 8 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime. CB2 Leeds - Holbeck (Brown Lane loop :-) ) - East End Park - Torre Road Garage. Every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday, hourly on Sundays. CB3 Leeds - Woodhouse - Armley - Cottingley (the old 49 as far as Whingate Junction then down to Ringways and the Ring Road); and CB5 Leeds - Woodhouse - Armley - (Old) Farnley (almost exactly the old 49 route, except I think via Silver Royd Hill, same as today's 81/81A). Combined service every 20 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime (one CB5 per hour), hourly CB3 only evenings and Sundays.
There was a short-lived CB4, which I think connected the hospitals. All were originally run using the horrible, horrible Dormobiles and similar.
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Post by joseph on Jul 18, 2020 16:37:44 GMT 1
The "from November 1987" RiderGuide for Leeds lists: CB1 Leeds City CentreLine. Shuttled between the bus and rail station every 7 or 8 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime. CB2 Leeds - Holbeck (Brown Lane loop :-) ) - East End Park - Torre Road Garage. Every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday, hourly on Sundays. CB3 Leeds - Woodhouse - Armley - Cottingley (the old 49 as far as Whingate Junction then down to Ringways and the Ring Road); and CB5 Leeds - Woodhouse - Armley - (Old) Farnley (almost exactly the old 49 route, except I think via Silver Royd Hill, same as today's 81/81A). Combined service every 20 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime (one CB5 per hour), hourly CB3 only evenings and Sundays. There was a short-lived CB4, which I think connected the hospitals. All were originally run using the horrible, horrible Dormobiles and similar. Ah, that's interesting, I had it in my head the original CB2 continued on past Torre Road up Lupton Ave via the 61/2 routes to Stanley Road but obviously I'm wrong. Another question I had earlier on about the 49 from Leeds via East End Park to Torre Road has also been answered, I take it the 49 from Old Farnley to Hyde Park was extended to Torre Road via Leeds and East End Park, I did wonder if it was that 49.
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Post by yorkslad on Jul 18, 2020 18:26:58 GMT 1
My bad, I paraphrased. Service 49 used to run from Old Farnley via Whingate Junction, Armley Town Street and across the Stanningley Road/Armley Road junction; then across Kirkstall Road, up towards Brudenell Road to Hyde Park Corner. That's "my" 49, as it were. In the early 1980s it was extended from Hyde Park Corner via Woodhouse to the Merrion Centre, then out to Torre Road. That'll be the one you mean.
Post-deregulation, CB3 & CB5 ran I think via Wellington Street and Kirkstall Road to Viaduct Road (Eddy's Motorcycles) to regain the previous route to Whingate Junction (after which the route changed again). Service 15 does something similar now, but takes a different route between Whingate and Old Farnley.
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Post by nic on Jul 18, 2020 18:31:14 GMT 1
Where did the Moortown services terminate pre Moor Allerton Centre? I know that centre was extended early 00's and Sainsburys was at the top of the centre but did any services terminate there?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 18, 2020 20:48:44 GMT 1
Where did the Moortown services terminate pre Moor Allerton Centre? I know that centre was extended early 00's and Sainsburys was at the top of the centre but did any services terminate there? There used to be a turning circle on Cranmer Bank I believe?
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Post by kenh on Oct 31, 2020 11:00:24 GMT 1
if anyone had any municipal bus timetables from 1960-1974 timetableworld(dot)com would be grateful for a loan so they can be scanned and put online. Contact them direct, please.
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Post by irhardy on Oct 31, 2020 15:04:30 GMT 1
Where did the Moortown services terminate pre Moor Allerton Centre? I know that centre was extended early 00's and Sainsburys was at the top of the centre but did any services terminate there? There used to be a turning circle on Cranmer Bank I believe? The turning circle was and still is on King Lane, if you look at Google Earth, it is opposite the eastern end of Cranmer Road, near the King Lane Park & Ride Car Park.
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Post by martinsfp on Oct 31, 2020 17:51:33 GMT 1
There used to be a turning circle on Cranmer Bank I believe? The turning circle was and still is on King Lane, if you look at Google Earth, it is opposite the eastern end of Cranmer Road, near the King Lane Park & Ride Car Park. The roundabout on Lingfield Approach (Lingfield Circus, although it’s not on Google Maps as that) has been used as a terminus around there at times too.
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Post by steve440 on Oct 31, 2020 20:33:02 GMT 1
Where did the Moortown services terminate pre Moor Allerton Centre? I know that centre was extended early 00's and Sainsburys was at the top of the centre but did any services terminate there? There used to be a turning circle on Cranmer Bank I believe? There was a turning circle on Cranmer Bank, it is still there opposite the parade of shops.
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Post by irhardy on Oct 31, 2020 21:52:32 GMT 1
The November 1976 Leeds timetable book I have shows the 52 & 53 Moortown terminus as Cranmer Road and not Cranmer Bank. I agree that there is a turning circle on Cranmer Bank but on the 1973, 1979 & 1980 maps, the Moortown terminus looks nearer King Lane than Cranmer Bank turning circle so that was probably for short workings.
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Post by steve440 on Oct 31, 2020 22:42:44 GMT 1
The November 1976 Leeds timetable book I have shows the 52 & 53 Moortown terminus as Cranmer Road and not Cranmer Bank. I agree that there is a turning circle on Cranmer Bank but on the 1973, 1979 & 1980 maps, the Moortown terminus looks nearer King Lane than Cranmer Bank turning circle so that was probably for short workings. Cranmer Bank was definitely the terminus in Leeds City Transport days until 1st May 1966 when route 8 (as it was then) was extended to Cranmer Road, temporarily at first and then made permanent. (Information from Leeds Transport vol. 4)
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