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Post by Dom on May 20, 2014 16:45:01 GMT 1
Adverting in Leeds today the new timetable, and giving out free return journeys! In Sheffield and Liverpool this week too
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Post by guyarab on May 20, 2014 17:03:13 GMT 1
Do y'know I think I'm pleased that there are problems with the network! Serves 'em right for trying to shove a 'quart into a pint pot'.
Met Chris somebody-or-other of First Keolis last Wednesday about the disgusting letdown of Dewsbury passengers with the implementation if the revised services and times and he told me that Northern had been made to alter their services to slot in with TPE's own! He also said that passengers on longer journeys would feel the benefit of saving 10 minutes do journey time.
This is of course to the detriment of Dewsbury travellers who will have to endure almost 30 minutes added to their journey time if they wish to travel to Manchester Airport for instance, for most of the day, as against 57 minutes for a direct train.
His explanation was to change at Huddersfield because "Passengers will be able to change trains at the same platform". Great , how comforting for those families with their luggage - no apology (not that one would be of any use) about journeys taking longer, or the inconvenience associated with changing trains and finding seats.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 20, 2014 17:50:26 GMT 1
I can see the service from Manchester Victoria being quiet outside the peaks (obviously depending on how many are travelling through from Liverpool) as if you are travelling to Huddersfield, Leeds or York why would you travel from Victoria when there are 4 an hour from Piccadilly.
They have basically crammed in extra services within the limited capacity with trains having to be retimed all over the place as a knock on effect. The Airport trains losing their Dewsbury calls because of they way they are pathed as there are other fast trains hot on their heels.
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Post by northerner on May 20, 2014 20:11:26 GMT 1
I can see the service from Manchester Victoria being quiet outside the peaks (obviously depending on how many are travelling through from Liverpool) as if you are travelling to Huddersfield, Leeds or York why would you travel from Victoria when there are 4 an hour from Piccadilly. The additional Liverpool service provides a faster service from York / Leeds / Huddersfield through to Liverpool, and TPE are promoting the service at Leeds as being under 90 minutes to Liverpool, so it could alleviate some of the crowding on the existing Liverpool service. Victoria may be more appealing to passengers with connections, obviously depending on their ultimate destination
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Post by guyarab on May 20, 2014 21:41:28 GMT 1
Visited York today and I forgot that there is only one train per hour from Dewsbury now. Finished up getting the 14 minutes past stopping train running late at 19 mins past and changing at Leeds and on to York on the Newcastle train. Those travelling onward from from York had to change for some reason.
The return home fared no better; platform 3 was the departure point for the Liverpool train. It duly arrived, everyone got themselves comfortable and then were told to go to platform 9. Trundled across to that platform only to find nothing there, but a look to the left and there it was, way down towards the Leeds end of the platform with nobody in attendance to direct passengers. Complaints from many travellers as seat reservations were not available on the changed train.
What a mess; get a grip. TPE. I would complain, but nothing happens.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 20, 2014 23:22:16 GMT 1
Dewsbury won't be the biggest concern to First TPE, as long as they get their two calls an hour it doesn't matter to them which two trains it is that call, it just so happened it was Airport trains previously.
From my point of view the Leeds to Man Vic via Brighouse Northern service has got slower. It now also calls at Cottingley and Walsden, so literally calling at every possible stop, much slower than anything else on the Caldervale Line, poor relation so Halifax/Bradford passengers get a faster aervice. It's quicker to travel from Brighouse to Manchester by changing at Huddersfield. This service used to be pacer operated with everything else on the Caldervale Line either 155 or 158. I don't know yet if this is still the case.
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Post by glennh2 on May 20, 2014 23:50:10 GMT 1
Can somebody explain why the overnight train from Manchester no longer calls at Huddersfield on Mon-Fri? Surely bad news for late night travellers from the Airport as well as students et al
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Post by wbc on May 21, 2014 10:20:59 GMT 1
I believe the train has been booked to travel via Hebden Bridge and Brighouse between Manchester and Dewsbury.
I assume this is to keep drivers familiar with the alternative route, not sure whether any journeys that previous went via Hebden Bridge now go via Huddersfield instead to rebalance.
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Post by northerner on May 21, 2014 19:46:00 GMT 1
It's quicker to travel from Brighouse to Manchester by changing at Huddersfield. This service used to be pacer operated with everything else on the Caldervale Line either 155 or 158. I don't know yet if this is still the case. The Leeds - Huddersfield local service now appears to be self contained, with the Leeds - Dewsbury - Victoria service now being linked in with the Leeds - Halifax - Victoria service so there's 155s and 158s appearing on both routes in to Manchester
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 1, 2014 20:02:34 GMT 1
I had a run on the new Manchester Victoria service yesterday
As expected the Man Picc service came in to Huddersfield, after quite a large gap since the previous one as per the timetable, and left with a standing load.
Along comes the new Liverpool service just 6 mins later, hardly anyone left waiting in Huddersfield and only half full. It's one to note if you are planning that journey.
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Post by timelesstable on Dec 4, 2014 10:13:36 GMT 1
Autumn Statement: New trains for northern rail routes:
No more than a re-statement of some existing news
Passengers in the north of England will be getting new rolling stock
Investment in new rolling stock for rail franchises in the north of England has been announced by the government.
The move is part of Chancellor George Osborne's ambition to create a northern economic "powerhouse".
It means the Northern Rail and Trans-Pennine Express routes will see the current "pacer" trains replaced with new and modern vehicles.
Mr Osborne said in his Autumn Statement announcement that the current rolling stock was "ancient and unpopular".
Pacer trains were built between 1980 and 1987, and were originally intended a short-term solution to a shortage of rolling stock, but remain in use today.
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Post by guyarab on Dec 6, 2014 18:58:34 GMT 1
Might get new trains around 2019; about the same time Dewsbury gets one train each way to London. Even then you can bet we won't get the regular Airport and York services back.
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Post by timelesstable on Jun 12, 2015 7:41:27 GMT 1
The planned electrification of the TransPennine Express railway line between Manchester and York has been delayed, with no set completion date. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-33066581The project, electrifying the route which connects Manchester, Leeds and York, was announced in November 2011. Transport Minister Andrew Jones said Network Rail had found "more work" was needed than originally proposed. Work would be delayed and a completion date could not yet be set, he added.
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Post by timelesstable on Jun 25, 2015 18:05:44 GMT 1
The government says it will delay or cut back a number of modernisation projects planned for Network Rail. Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin says rising costs and missed targets make the £38.5bn plan untenable. He blamed Network Rail, saying it should have foreseen the improvements would cost more and take longer. Labour said it had warned the government needed to change how the railways were run but had "dithered" over taking action. Network Rail said the plan, which was launched last year as the "largest modernisation of the railways since Victorian times", was too ambitious. Network Rail controls 2,500 stations as well as tracks, tunnels and level crossings. The key routes affected are: ◾Trans-Pennine route: York-Manchester, shelved ◾Midland main line: York-Sheffield, shelved ◾Great Western main line work will go ahead Mr McLoughlin said electrification work would be "paused" on the Midland main line and on the Trans-Pennine route between Leeds and Manchester. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33270586
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Post by gooderson1 on Jun 25, 2015 19:39:43 GMT 1
If I recall the link between the Sheffield tram system and the railway network was estimated to be somewhere near £50 million some 3/4 years ago to link the tram system to Barnsley. This is a short stretch by railway standards. Considering the length between Sheffield and London or York to Manchester then the costs must be mind boggling. I suspect that a lot of Network Rails problems stem from work starting and then contractors stating that they can't finish the job at the agreed price and it costs more. maybe it is time to employ people who know how to run a railway and not folk who are looking a a "fat" bonus each year
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Post by stevieinselby on Jun 26, 2015 22:50:34 GMT 1
The government says it will delay or cut back a number of modernisation projects planned for Network Rail. Wow, no-one saw that coming – a government promising unprecedented public expenditure in a time of austerity leading up the election, and then dumping the lot immediately after. It's a good job I'm not a cynical person...
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Post by Dom on Jun 27, 2015 1:38:37 GMT 1
Massive thingy up in Leeds with two failed sets.
Trains we're delayed upto 1 hour, and the affects continued to end of service
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 9:40:59 GMT 1
The 'pausing' of these projects is purely down to the bungling clowns at Network Rail. They gave a price for the job and the government committed to it.
The government is still giving the same amount of money (even at a time when other harsh cuts are in the offing) as it was promising before. But it just won't cover everything that NR promised it could do.
The bean counters (and I bet there are lots of well qualified accountants at Network Rail who worked on this) didn't cost the work properly or allow sufficient contingency in the budget for extra expenditure.
That's NR's fault. Not the government's.
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Post by Burnside on Jun 27, 2015 13:18:56 GMT 1
Patrick McLoughlin admitted back in March there would be delays. Had there not been an election looming, which the rail projects were to feature heavily to attract voters in the north, would McLoughlin have demanded answers sooner from Network Rail?
There's something about the government involvement that to me smells fishier than Grimsby Docks.
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Post by resolution on Jun 27, 2015 14:28:53 GMT 1
The 'pausing' of these projects is purely down to the bungling clowns at Network Rail. They gave a price for the job and the government committed to it. The government is still giving the same amount of money (even at a time when other harsh cuts are in the offing) as it was promising before. But it just won't cover everything that NR promised it could do. The bean counters (and I bet there are lots of well qualified accountants at Network Rail who worked on this) didn't cost the work properly or allow sufficient contingency in the budget for extra expenditure. That's NR's fault. Not the government's. I completely disagree with this poster. It was the Government who announced all these schemes, not Network Rail. It simply told Network Rail to get on with it, disregarding issues of whether NR had the staff or equipment, whether there was enough capacity or experience within the British rail contracting industry as a whole (there never was) and how long it would take to get teams up to speed and whether there might be any additional technical problems with erecting catenary over hundreds of miles of track (there always are). It was well known months ago that NR could not meet the Government's programme but the Government cynically chose not to reveal this until after it had been re-elected. There is no question whatever that the Conservative party has pulled the wool over the eyes of most of the British electorate to serve its own ends.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 16:33:33 GMT 1
But who will have worked out the costings?
My guess is that the Department for Transport got its costings from the 'experts' - Network Rail. The government then nodded - and of course announced these schemes. Wouldn't any government want to take the plaudits for announcing upgrade plans?
I'm no fan of this government, but they've committed a lot of money to be spent wisely by NR at a time when there isn't a lot of money to be spent. It seems Network Rail got their sums wrong.
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Post by resolution on Jun 28, 2015 14:48:40 GMT 1
I have little doubt that the Government got some original costing estimates from Network Rail. But the principal reason for the delay is not cost; it's the lack of capacity within the industry to actually carry out the work which is the problem and by the industry I do not mean simply Network Rail but all the independent contractors who actually carry out much of the work. It is similarly these contractors who are partly responsible for pushing up the cost; they find it isn't as easy as they thought and schedules slip; as schedules slip the costs inevitably rise (you don't pay the men less because they've done less than you anticipated) and the schedule for the next job recedes into the distance. It's easy for the Government to say "the money's there", especially when it can change its mind or choose the moment to say "it isn't going to happen" and in this instance it's the disgraceful cynicism of the latter which is the principal issue; they've wilfully misled the public.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 24, 2015 10:11:46 GMT 1
Just noticed that the stopping pattern at Stalybridge has altered. The 2155 to Leeds, which conveniently connected into other trains, now ceases to call. All the other trains around that time do but do not connect.
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Post by 158757 on Aug 29, 2015 21:31:44 GMT 1
Just noticed that the stopping pattern at Stalybridge has altered. The 2155 to Leeds, which conveniently connected into other trains, now ceases to call. All the other trains around that time do but do not connect. 2155 from where? It's always been the 2111, 2219, 2242 and 2321 ex Piccadilly that have called.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Aug 30, 2015 6:38:11 GMT 1
That should have said the 2142 Piccadilly (2121 ex Airport ) doesn't call at Stalybridge.
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