Hope that's right then cos I still have to photograph all but one of the Maesteg batch, I really can't say where they will use deckers otherwise, I seemed to pass through a lot of low bridges when I was down there in May, as you say, time will tell.
Ah, logic indeed as original post said Streetlites were actually coming from Swansea, If we are still looking for Streetlites there are eight in standard livery at Maesteg and three at Port Talbot so any ten from 47629-47635 & 47639-47642 which would be good for me as I missed almost all of the Maesteg batch.
If not those then, the only other logical batch, is ten from the 63079 to 63095 batch of Streetlite Max buses at Port Talbot. Again though, these are currently branded for Cymru Clipper but maybe those extra four seats make all the difference, again I hope not cos I got most of those in my camera crosshairs this May.
I'm gonna go with the Maesteg unbranded batch??? Or are they not going to be Streetlites at all...B7RLE's coming home???
Ten does look like the right number for route 4 in Swansea though so I assume Ravenhill Streetlites to other depots and Gemini's on the 4?
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12 x Streetlites coming from Swansea for Bramley depot & 12 x 12 reg 362xx B9TLs from Hunslet Park going the other way next week.
This is interesting as First Cymru have very few deckers at the moment with just four at Port Talbot. Ravenhill depot currently have only thirteen Streetlites, ten of which are branded for Metro route 4. This route is going to 24 hour operation from 24 September, and as I recall is probably the highest frequency route they have, so maybe this would explain the upgrade to Gemini operation. If so Bramley can expect 47661 to 47664 and 47673 to 47678 all of which currently have red wedge fronts. The other two should then be two of 47681, 47684 & 47685 which currently have orange wedge fronts for route 87 in Neath and Port Talbot. It always seemed strange to me that Ravenhill would have these instead of Port Talbot depot anyway so maybe Port Talbot are taking full control of this route leaving two more Streetlite as surplus to make the round dozen heading North.
For me this is the usual story, visiting far flung First operations, photographing their exotic buses only for them to then arrive in West Yorkshire a short while later, oh well I missed 47681, I can hope that one arrives in Bramley.
Correct, Swansea still had four Streetcars in service on University route 8X when I visited in June this year. 19030 is the only one still in FTR purple with 19034, 19036 & 19038 in a modified version of the Olympia livery which is branded as Unibus and also worn by their new Enviro 200 MMC's and a few B7RLE's.
I'm confused, please pardon my ignorance but in the goodie bags handed out today were leaflets for both routes, both leaflets include a map of central Leeds showing both the 163/166 and 189 arriving in Leeds via Boar Lane before entering the bus station and then leaving Leeds via Eastgate, Vicar Lane and Boar Lane. Are these actual or future route changes or have the printers been sent a map of the 254/255 route through Leeds and put it into all leaflets in error?
Also the 189 timetable shows a different interpretation of the new livery with orange swoops and branding, was this a last minute change and if so anyone know why?
Had a week in South Wales recently and was pretty successful in gathering photo's of the First Cymru fleet with 72% of Ravenhill's allocation snapped and 61% of Port Talbot's buses photographed.
First Cymru has a good selection of almost entirely single deck buses, four former First London and First South Yorkshire Presidents being the exception. Types operated are Pointer Darts, ADL Enviro 200's & 300's, Optare Versa's and Solo's, Wright Streetlites and Wright Eclipse Urban Volvo B7RLE's. There are supposed to be a few Marshall Darts still about but I saw none. Liveries are also varied with a fair mix of corporate livery, Cymru Clipper and wedge style liveries in Red, Orange, Yellow and Black. Training duties are provided by ALX300's.
Among my highlights were catching all four of the First Wright Streetcars which are still operational along with Ravenhill's five Enviro 200 MMC's. I was quite surprised to catch these considering they work Swansea University services and it was the Bank Holiday and a normal school holiday week. Streetcar 19030 is still in FTR livery despite reports to the contrary elsewhere and a trip to Ravenhill depot was necessary to catch 19036.
It was also nice to catch up with Ravenhill's former First Bradford quartet 69249 to 69252 which all now wear Cymru Clipper livery. All four Swansea Park & Ride buses were working as was 69304 which is the sole First B7RLE in Traws Cymru livery.
On the downside all four of First Cymru's heritage liveried Pointer Darts eluded me, I wasn't really expecting to see the bus stationed at Haverfordwest depot although I did catch three of this depot's Darts while visiting Tenby. I assume Ravenhill's Heritage Dart must have been working Llanelli services as it was not in sight in Swansea and carries Llanelli and District livery. I was more hopeful of catching the two buses at Port Talbot depot but despite two trips to Neath where Port Talbot depot buses provide most services they were not in sight, I didn't think I could get away with a trip to Port Talbot itself on a family holiday so left Wales heritage bus empty handed. Fortunately a stop at Worcester on the way home provided both Midland Red heritage buses so all was not lost.
In all I managed buses from each of First Cymru depots on visits to Swansea, Neath, Porthcawl and Tenby, all of which provided good spots for photographs of the bulk of services. Porthcawl also provided me with a couple of Stagecoach Wales buses too. Independent action is provided by South Wales Transport & N.A.T in Swansea, and Edwards & Taf Valley Coaches in Pembrokeshire.
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To be honest if the firms are not connected, would you as the new operator lease vehicles from a company which has been put out of business due to poor maintenance or would you lease from any number of other more reputable sources whose core business is to lease good quality vehicles.
We all know what's really going on here because it's happened many many times before in all types of business.
News today confirming a new eight year contract for York Park & Ride with some significant changes including new double deck operation. 3 new electric double deck vehicles will be used as well as the existing electric single decks. Also 28 new double deck buses and 6 new articulated vehicles.
More capacity will be provided at four of the sites with overnight parking allowed at Askham Bar & Monks Cross.
No operator has been revealed but the MP's website says the existing electric buses will be used and I understood these were First owned and not council owned so that could be a hint.
I must admit, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm starting to worry a bit about TLC, in the early days when they took over the Shipley locals their buses were always immaculate and in full fleet livery. These days as mentioned above most of the fleet seems to have been patched up in some way, and most of these aren't that old having been replaced not too long ago. The amount of vehicles running around in dealer white, albeit with TLC fleetnames applied, also seems to have increased significantly. I've always associated this with the beginnings of the potential downfall of a company.
That all said, the service still appears to be reliable, I tend to see the same workings every day in the same place at the same time so maybe it's just a case of making sure a bus runs against making it look pretty. That after all is the most important thing if you can't have both.
Exactly, all of those in regular passenger service are compliant with DDA and are in good condition as many have had a mid life refurbishment.
If buses are leased then they are likely to be replaced earlier than those which are bought, just look at the B7RLE's, Gemini's and Versa's which have moved on recently, all newer than the B10BLEs you want rid of. Leasing new vehicles seems to favour your whole argument that when a bus gets old it must be replaced as soon as possible, so why do you hope new buses are bought?
Why would Transdev want to buy Arriva cast offs when they are doing so nicely with refurbs and brand new buses, they have also started to replace their school buses with ex National Express B7TL/Presidents, a type they already have in their fleet.
Surely the most likely future for those Spectra's is with Tiger, an Independent somewhere or the scrap yard.
With the technology available today you would have thought it possible for operator specific wording to be replaced by Metro logos when buying multi operator tickets, it's the one thing that discourages me from using the Metro Day more, you just don't want the hassle.
Went to play on Stagecoach Manchester's Enviro 400 MMC's in South East Manchester today.
Metrolink - 3097 - Ashton Moss P&R to Ashton-under-Lyne 330 - 10585 - Ashton to Hyde 201 - 10471 - Hyde to Manchester 192 - 12191 - Manchester to Stockport 330 - 10578 - Stockport to Ashton Metrolink - 3102 - Ashton to Ashton Moss P&R
My verdict, although a very good looking bus, from a personal passengers perspective I found the MMC's to be quite uncomfortable. They seemed to have very stiff suspension, either that or the roads in South East Manchester are particularly bad, quite the worst ride quality since I rode between Rotherham and Barnsley on some of First's ALX400 bodied Volvo B7TL's. In comparison the hybrid on the 192 was much more comfortable. It may just be how these buses are set up so I'll reserve final judgement until I've tried others elsewhere.
Seems a bit odd that they are rolling out, quite substantially in some cases, the relatively new MAX livery, and the very new Frequenta livery if its all about to be rebranded.
Although those liveries are mostly used in the Yorkshire/North East division, most other areas have only used MAX on a couple of routes. Maybe a local decision conflicting with a head office decision.
Considering there are still Commanders, Eclipses & at least a couple of Spectras wandering around in Sandstone and Aquamarine I would imagine that MAX and Frequenta could still be around for a number of years yet even if a full rebranding exercise is started.