January 2009 Changes

[T101VWU]

Jan 8, 2009 20:57:41 GMT 1 @nick said:

Is the X96 getting withdrawn due to the low passanger usage it gets between Headingley Arndale and Tinshill ? This is a quick way of getting from Leeds to Headingley and Vice Versa. (because the X84 dosnt let you off).

maybe ive caught the X96 a few times and nobody seems to even know where it stops as was case a few weeks ago when at least every passenger asked if stopped at arndale centre.

[SF07]

Metro have published the Changing Times PDF for January. The answer for the X96 is that one journey will be withdrawn not the full service. The 0735 from Tinshill is withdrawn.

Some other changes not mentioned include:
*52/53 (Goodyears) - Service now run by Tates Travel with service 53 replaced by service 52 and Arriva service 194.
*52A (Tates) - New service running one weekday journey at 0642 between Newstead and Barnsley and 0725 between Barnsley and Wakefield. Service runs along 52 route between Barnsley and Newstead then via Walton and Sandal to Wakefield.
*63 (Arriva) - New service replacing First's 63 service between Leeds and Drighlington with some journeys extending to Birstall. Metro describe it as a 'use it or loose it' (as opposed to lose it).
*90 (First) - Service will run to Cross Green.
*135/136 (Arriva) - Route and times changed. Service 136 runs between Castleford and Pontefract every 30 minutes via Asda and Wakefield College Skills Xchange campus at Glasshoughton. All journeys to/from Chequerfield run via Pontefract General Hospital and Carleton Glen. from 5th January
*166 (Arriva) - The 0725 weekday journey from Leeds to Castleford will run via Colton Village from 5th January.
*183 (M Travel) - Service runs between Wakefield and Pontefract only and doesn't serve Airedale.
*183 (First) - The 0720 Saturday journey from Huddersfield is withdrawn.
*195 (Arriva) - Some journeys extended to/from Highfield Estate.
*200 (First) - Times changed with Sunday service withdrawn.
*213 (Arriva) - Times changed with service running via Staincliffe Road instead of School Lane and Heckmondwike Road.
*261 (K-Line) - All journeys from Huddersfield now leave 15 minutes later with the 1735 journey withdrawn. The 0659 and 0759 journeys from Kirkheaton leave two minutes earlier.
*301A/302A (K-Line) - Weekday afternoon and Saturday morning times changed.
*315 (K-Line) - The 1745 weekday journey from Huddersfield leaves 5 minutes later. Saturday service withdrawn.
*366 (K-Line) - Times changed with additional morning journeys from Balmoral Avenue to Huddersfield.
*408/409 (Arriva) - Times changed from 5th January.
*410 (Arriva) - The 0815 weekday journey from Pontefract to Leeds now leaves 5 minutes earlier. from 5th January.
*430 (Arriva) - Weekday afternoon times changed from 5th January.
*549 (First) - Journeys from Huddersfield now run via Lower Edge Road, Nunnery Lane and Sherburn Road instead of Highfield Road in Rastrick.
*606 (TLC) - Service runs at peak times only.
*907 (Mount Taxis) - Withdrawn from 20th February.
*923 (Arriva) - The 0620 journey from Tadcaster to Wetherby is withdrawn from 5th January.
*H8 (Stotts) - Service re-routed in Scholes to serve Paris.
*MC3 (TLC) - Service now runs mid-mornings Monday-Saturday along a circular route from Smiddles Lane via Little Horton, Great Horton, Tesco Extra, Horton Park Medical Centre, Bankfoot, West Bowling and Mayo Avenue Morrisons.
*ML15 (Mount Taxis) - New service introduced between Milnsbridge and Meltham via Cowlersley and Linthwaite, running Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays from 23rd Februrary.
*ML17 (Mount Taxis) - New service introduced between Slaithwaite and Pole Moor via Hill Top, replacing service 907 and running Tuesdays and Thursdays from 24th February.
*X6 (First) - Times changed with timing point in Brighouse on journeys to Huddersfield now timed at Sainsbury's.
*X11 (First) - No longer runs from Greengates. Service runs hourly during the day, forming a half-hour frequency service between Bradford and Pudsey with service 711. Service runs limited stop between Pudsey and Leeds.
*X14 (First) - No longer runs from Greengates.

www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/C5306F80-9775-4B54-BF91-D8E4CA4A29B7/0/ChangingTimes41infoleaflet.pdf

[mjn]

Interesting that it claims the 91A will run from Harehills to Jimmy's via Harehills Road. I wonder how they plan to achieve this since there is no right turn out of Harehills Lane at the Fforde Grene.

[kendall17]

Jan 9, 2009 13:24:18 GMT 1 SF07 said:

*166 (Arriva) - The 0725 weekday journey from Leeds to Castleford will run via Colton Village from 5th January.


www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/C5306F80-9775-4B54-BF91-D8E4CA4A29B7/0/ChangingTimes41infoleaflet.pdf

Thats a good call by Arriva, Pick up more passengers this way and i can see it getting used more, should do it in both directions @ peak times though as an alternative to the overcrowded single deckers on the 18s

[Craig]

It's good to see Arriva have sorted out the mess that was the 135/136 timetable, by reintroducing a straight forward weekday 15-minute frequency along the whole route. Just a shame they couldn't have fixed the Saturday timetable while they were at it!

Is the diversion of one 166 journey via Colton for school kids? I can't think of any other logical explanation for it.

[jackh]

True, more importantly may Arriva are going to fight back against M Travel between Pontefract, Xscape and Cas' as they seem to have let them carry on along a route which if Arriva buckles up could be a nice little goldmine for them.

[jabbott1987]

The 166 7.25 is a normal run to Castleford except via Colton Village according to the New timetable Online.

[westyorkshirebus]

So Stanningley Road will now increase from 13 buses plus 3 limited stop buses per hour off peak to 14 buses plus 4 limited stop per hour

Hopefully the 40/40A will operate at opposite times to the 72/508 meaning a combined frequency of every 5 minutes, with the 44/44A on top of this as far as Armley Ridge Road

Its an even better improvement around the Bramley Town End to Bramley Fire Station area. It always seemed a bit odd that the 88 operated via the Stanningley Bypass literally bypassing this area.

[jackh]

Jan 8, 2009 20:57:41 GMT 1 @nick said:

Is the X96 getting withdrawn due to the low passanger usage it gets between Headingley Arndale and Tinshill ? This is a quick way of getting from Leeds to Headingley and Vice Versa. (because the X84 dosnt let you off).

Only the 0735 journey to Leeds is getting withdrawn, that is all.

[markr]

First has now published the changes on its website - no more guesswork! Notable points not mentioned previously (I hope!):

4 ftr - an extra ftr on Saturday daytime to assist punctuality.

16 - an extra bus added to give extra running time.

40/40A extension and 73 withdrawal - remember when the 40 went to Pudsey? I believe the 73 replaced it in either late 2000 or early 2001 between Pudsey and Leeds.

49 - an extra bus added to give extra running time.

44/44A are being changed, but there will only be minor timetable alterations.

All the changes are from 1st February

It is pleasing to note that First is prepared to put more resource into key routes to aid reliability, although the Headingley corridor isn't really mentioned at all, other than 97, X84, X96, which are only undergoing minor changes.

[Craig]

I'm afraid those changes have been listed on the web site for about a week now, see earlier posts above. The news of the 40 taking up its old route to Pudsey has been known for even longer!

[nick]

I don't think the Headingley Corridor really needs improving, reliability seems to be the main Issue and thats about it. I think that will be solved though when new buses arrive.

Maybe a Possibly frequency change to about every 7/8 minutes on the 1 or 95 but apart from that every thing on the Headingley Corridor seems fine.

[Craig]

The Headingley corridor is always in need of improvement to reliability! The problem is there is no suitable timetable for a route which is so unpredictable.

It's not a question about frequency, and I think that the 1 is adequate at 10 minute intervals. Remember that Bodington Hall is due to close sometime in the next couple of years and so the 95 will become surplus to requirement.

[nick]

The Major problem with the Headingley Corridor, is the width of Headingley Lane. (Hyde Park Corner to Headingley Arndale). It is not like Scott Hall or York Road, where they can pump in money to build Bus Only Lanes. Its small and will remain small due to is proximity to the Buildings and Houses.

[markr]

Jan 11, 2009 15:31:08 GMT 1 Craig said:

I'm afraid those changes have been listed on the web site for about a week now, see earlier posts above. The news of the 40 taking up its old route to Pudsey has been known for even longer!

Firstly, I don't recall the historical significance of the 40 changes being mentioned previously, although the extension over the 73 route in itself was mentioned.

Secondly, the minor changes for 4, 16 and 49 which could benefit passengers (i.e. buses running when they say they will!) have been completely ignored!

I detect that fewer and fewer people are posting, I wonder why?

[jackh]

Jan 11, 2009 15:37:47 GMT 1 Craig said:

It's not a question about frequency, and I think that the 1 is adequate at 10 minute intervals. Remember that Bodington Hall is due to close sometime in the next couple of years and so the 95 will become surplus to requirement.

But surely the service wouldn't be surplus to requirement as there still is a large number of students along Otley Road and Headingley Lane despite the new larger accomodation blocks at the bottom end of Burley Road.

[jackh]

I suppose one aspect of the 40 extension is that people wanting to travel between Seacroft and Pudsey are now spoilt for choice with three cross city routes plus the Ring Road routes.

You are right Mark, the particular aspects that you had highlighted weren't covered in that explicit sence as you had done. Lets just hope that the above routes with extra buses added do become more punctual.

[Craig]

I have discussed the changes to the 40 in the context of it being a reinstatement of the old route rather than a brand new service. In actual fact I've always wondered why the 40 was ever cut back to terminate at Leeds originally.

Certainly the addition of buses to the 16 and 49 has been mentioned I believe more than once, although without checking I think you might be correct that the 4 hadn't been mentioned.

The 95 would be surplus to requirement as its destination point, the only unique part of the service, is due to close which will also result in less demand on the Headingley corridor. That's not to say that either the 95 couldn't be retained as far as Lawnswood maybe on a reduced frequency or won't be replaced by extra journeys on other routes.

[nick]

95 can easily be replaced by a revamped 1, to every 7/8 minutes.

Ok admittedly, there wont be 12 buses an hour from Leeds-Lanswood Cemetery maybe cut down to 8, but there is still enough demand for the route and the route would still get used. The thing with Sending the 95 to Lanswood is where would it terminate, and turn around.

[jackh]

Is this 8 buses an hour on the 1 being every 7/8 minutes or does this include the X84. If not the latter, I would get your calculator out and get back to me!

[Craig]

Jan 11, 2009 18:50:57 GMT 1 @nick said:

The thing with Sending the 95 to Lanswood is where would it terminate, and turn around.

There are 4 wonderfully suitable locations, one is Lawnswood Cemetery, one at the Otley Old Road junction, one at the Ring Road roundabout, and although I don't think it's ever been done it could turn at Spen Road as well. Take your pick!

[westyorkshirebus]

I find it strange that there is no link from Monkswood Gate to Seacroft Bus Station

With the 40 no longer working into the 50/50A, maybe the 49 should now extend to Seacroft and continue as a 50/50A

[jackh]

Didn't a couple of 49 journeys used to extend to Seacroft Bus Station. What would be a better alternative is for the 8 to run via Monkswood Gate instead running the full length of Ramshead Drive.

[Craig]

When the 49 was introduced it did extend evenings and Sundays only to Seacroft, but I don't think the Monkswood Gate route had ever done this before so not sure why this happened.

Monkswood Gate has almost always been the end of the line for the 49 and the 50 before that. Although for a while the 50 was extended to Whinmoor. It does seem an odd place to stop a route especially when it is so close to a large supermarket/shopping centre.

[nick]

Jan 11, 2009 19:08:16 GMT 1 @jackh said:

Is this 8 buses an hour on the 1 being every 7/8 minutes or does this include the X84. If not the latter, I would get your calculator out and get back to me!

At every 7/8 minutes (something like this 1000,1007,1015,1022,
1030,1037,1045,1052) there is 8 buses per hour on the Otley Road between Lanswood School and Lanswood Arms (excluding the X84).