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Post by nick on Jul 14, 2009 12:35:34 GMT 1
I noticed that on the X-Class B9TL, after the bell rings the driver is bombarded with an annoying buzzing sound (like a bee, fly, wasp etc) until he opens the doors.
Is this a technical fault or have Volvo taken inspiration of planes to alert drivers of such things like stop to let passengers off, oil is low, water is low etc.
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Post by kendall17 on Jul 14, 2009 13:04:36 GMT 1
I noticed that on the X-Class B9TL, after the bell rings the driver is bombarded with an annoying buzzing sound (like a bee, fly, wasp etc) until he opens the doors. Is this a technical fault or have Volvo taken inspiration of planes to alert drivers of such things like stop to let passengers off, oil is low, water is low etc. I've noticed that on the ones on the 56, if you sit upstairs you can hear it. Sounds like a technical fault if you ask me.
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Post by Jack on Jul 14, 2009 18:51:04 GMT 1
Even the Coastliner B9TLs do it, it doesn't have anything to do with alerting the driver.
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Post by nick on Jul 14, 2009 19:07:04 GMT 1
Just a thought jack. If the coastliner B9TL then its just that when on the upper deck you can hear it and thats it. I must say its quite distracting for the driver though, but at least no excuses when he misses out a stop that someone pressed the bell for.
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Post by jabbott1987 on Jul 19, 2009 22:45:14 GMT 1
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Post by armleydriver on Jul 25, 2009 23:17:34 GMT 1
37753 and 37755 have now arrived at Bramley
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Post by striderlad on Jul 27, 2009 19:31:49 GMT 1
the weird is when someone presses the disabled bell (the blue one ) at the bottom of the stairs the noise then tells the driver that there is a wheelchair wanting to get off most of the time normal well aided people press it nathan
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Post by kendall17 on Jul 27, 2009 19:53:10 GMT 1
the weird is when someone presses the disabled bell (the blue one ) at the bottom of the stairs the noise then tells the driver that there is a wheelchair wanting to get off most of the time normal well aided people press it nathan The weird noise is a buzzing noise once the bell has been pressed. Not the disabled bell. Although what your saying would be quite annoying for the driver.
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Post by nick on Jul 27, 2009 20:31:29 GMT 1
Yep and one more thing wrong with most of the 09 B9TL's are, that the first bell/poll next to the drivers cab, is extra sensitive so when leaning on it, (because the bus jerks alot more unlike olympians ;D), the driver gets bell after bell. Was on the 96 this morning and it did it.
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Post by Matty on Jul 27, 2009 21:02:51 GMT 1
The Royale's Panic alarm's are easy to set off too (The one that says: "This bus is under attack, please dial 999")
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Post by nick on Aug 15, 2009 18:17:55 GMT 1
Any more new buses for Leeds?
First are all set on getting those Olympians out of Leeds asap, and the B9TL and B7TL have replaced them quite rapid since the beginning of 2009. Only thing is they still have a few (around 10 or so) sitting around Hunslet Park (4 or 5 are uni-link branded) so am wondering for the winter season will Hunslet Park see some new B9TL for the rest of the Olympians to be displaced over to Huddersfield, Halifax or the local scrapping garage (so sad).
Could Bramley or Cherry Row get some, displacing ALX400/B7TL Gemini, which could come to hunslet park to further displace the Olympians.
Also when will the 1 route see some new buses?
Further more, i know its a first policy to not sell, but there has to be a reason behind this, so does anybody know why first don't sell there buses which are no longer welcome?
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Post by timelesstable on Aug 15, 2009 22:22:31 GMT 1
Any more new buses for Leeds? First are all set on getting those Olympians out of Leeds asap, and the B9TL and B7TL have replaced them quite rapid since the beginning of 2009. Only thing is they still have a few (around 10 or so) sitting around Hunslet Park (4 or 5 are uni-link branded) so am wondering for the winter season will Hunslet Park see some new B9TL for the rest of the Olympians to be displaced over to Huddersfield, Halifax or the local scrapping garage (so sad). Could Bramley or Cherry Row get some, displacing ALX400/B7TL Gemini, which could come to hunslet park to further displace the Olympians. Also when will the 1 route see some new buses? Further more, i know its a first policy to not sell, but there has to be a reason behind this, so does anybody know why first don't sell there buses which are no longer welcome? First will not want to flood the secondhand bus market. Competition would increase and their profitability and viability would be put at risk. I would imagine the short term difference in revenue from the sale of old buses for scrap against flooding the secondhand market is less than the potential longer term revenue loss to competition.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 15, 2009 23:07:29 GMT 1
I think that First's policy is out dated. For two reasons, Back when First generally were the 'network operator' operating every service in a town they operate, I could understand this view. Thesedays First actively encourage other operators to pick up the dregs so First can concentrate on main corridors.
Secondly, the bus industry has changed, even if second hand buses were available for free, I can't imagine new operators popping up all over the place, like they may have done 10 or 20 years ago.
First's policy means that FWY's decent B10B/Striders are going for scrap but Arriva's knackered Lance/Striders are having a second life as school buses etc with other companies
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Post by timelesstable on Aug 16, 2009 8:43:55 GMT 1
There could be other considerations for First, in that would they want their Corporate Image to be clouded with old First Buses in liveries close to their own running along side their own modern vehicles.
All the smaller operators will always be looking at ways to increase their operations. Drivers are easy to pick up the smaller operators offer hours which are much more sociable and appealing than the big 3. Make the vehicles easier to acquire and before long they will grow and start to hurt you.
The two problem for the smaller operators are their premises how many buses can they house and maintain and then how do they find and fund their vehicles. The established smaller operators will be selective with what they do, but new ones will continue to spring up if there are rows of reasonably priced secondhand buses.
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Post by nick on Aug 16, 2009 11:21:49 GMT 1
This is when you see how many small operators can survive. If someone who got a license now, and lets say went and bought 10 Royales (from first) did them up and started a service to compete with the X84 they would end up bust by the end of the year, because first would crush them because of no marketing etc. But do what geldards have done, and start with School tenders, you can easily build up into a reliable operator.
The next thing with these small operators is they have to have a niche market (ala Black Prince) because if a market is dominated by any of the big 3 or 4 (including transdev) then your going to easily fall off and never come back. Best thing for small operators is try and mush some of firsts bigger profitable routes together. So for a new operator, Otley to Leeds on the 33A route then the 97, through headingley will easily make money. First cant compete on the same route (because you have several of there own together) but can on the market as a whole (otley to Leeds)by increasing frequency's etc. Also the owners of these small operators if operating competition on any of the big 4 areas, they have to keep eyes widely opened. (you may time the lets say 97 to leave 8 minutes before the 33A but, first may then time 33A to leave 10 minutes before you etc).
For a small operator to become reliable etc, best way in is tenders.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Aug 16, 2009 23:06:31 GMT 1
There could be other considerations for First, in that would they want their Corporate Image to be clouded with old First Buses in liveries close to their own running along side their own modern vehicles. As long as they mess up the livery, like Arriva do with the red band, no decent operator would run them without repaint It's notable that Stagecoach have the complete opposite opinion. Stagecoach don't even do anything to the livery when selling do they?
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