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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 30, 2024 22:09:03 GMT 1
So am i right in thinking that with the exception of 1 group of school routes going to Vision Bus of Blackrod, no small or medium independant operator has won anything at all in the first 3 tranches? If i were in charge of a similar company in West Yorkshire, i'd be fearing the worst ahead of franchising here. they all are which is why all independants except South Pennine pushed for the EP+ as it would have brought services under control WITHOUT costing the taxpayer & passengers and was fairer. Also i have been told what the proposed livery will be and all i'll say is you'll need very dark sunglasses and want the ground to swallow you up when a bus pulls up. I'll take a bright livery. I love the way the bee network livery proper brightens up the city centre, a very difficult task, especially around the greyest place on earth, Picadilly Gardens!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 30, 2024 22:52:26 GMT 1
So am i right in thinking that with the exception of 1 group of school routes going to Vision Bus of Blackrod, no small or medium independant operator has won anything at all in the first 3 tranches? If i were in charge of a similar company in West Yorkshire, i'd be fearing the worst ahead of franchising here. Yes you are right, Vision Bus won a few school contracts in Tranche 1 Tranche 3 school contracts are still to be announced though, but yes there are no independent operators running public services
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 31, 2024 1:47:18 GMT 1
they all are which is why all independants except South Pennine pushed for the EP+ as it would have brought services under control WITHOUT costing the taxpayer & passengers and was fairer. Also i have been told what the proposed livery will be and all i'll say is you'll need very dark sunglasses and want the ground to swallow you up when a bus pulls up. Heard it's bright pink. If that's true, what a crazy coincidence how Transdev managed to use matching colours for both Rosso and Team Pennine with the franchising liveries. that's half the livery.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 31, 2024 1:48:12 GMT 1
they all are which is why all independants except South Pennine pushed for the EP+ as it would have brought services under control WITHOUT costing the taxpayer & passengers and was fairer. Also i have been told what the proposed livery will be and all i'll say is you'll need very dark sunglasses and want the ground to swallow you up when a bus pulls up. I'll take a bright livery. I love the way the bee network livery proper brightens up the city centre, a very difficult task, especially around the greyest place on earth, Picadilly Gardens! not when it's a garish livery.
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Post by WYBS on Mar 31, 2024 12:33:28 GMT 1
I'll take a bright livery. I love the way the bee network livery proper brightens up the city centre, a very difficult task, especially around the greyest place on earth, Picadilly Gardens! not when it's a garish livery. Where have you seen the proposed livery?
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 31, 2024 12:58:12 GMT 1
not when it's a garish livery. Where have you seen the proposed livery? been informed about it by an industry contact as they've all been emailed it.
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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 31, 2024 15:17:43 GMT 1
Where have you seen the proposed livery? been informed about it by an industry contact as they've all been emailed it. Doesn't that seem a tad bit early? Unless they plan on painting the buses in the near future since we are already in a partnership?
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Post by deerfold on Mar 31, 2024 15:54:21 GMT 1
So am i right in thinking that with the exception of 1 group of school routes going to Vision Bus of Blackrod, no small or medium independant operator has won anything at all in the first 3 tranches? If i were in charge of a similar company in West Yorkshire, i'd be fearing the worst ahead of franchising here. they all are which is why all independants except South Pennine pushed for the EP+ as it would have brought services under control WITHOUT costing the taxpayer & passengers and was fairer. Whose control would they have been under?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 31, 2024 16:08:15 GMT 1
Why is a discussion about the West Yorkshire franchising scheme taking place in a thread about the Bee Network?
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 31, 2024 16:15:36 GMT 1
they all are which is why all independants except South Pennine pushed for the EP+ as it would have brought services under control WITHOUT costing the taxpayer & passengers and was fairer. Whose control would they have been under? the committee of operators & WYCA but the advantage of the EP+ would have also meant the operators contributing to communities more.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 31, 2024 17:12:36 GMT 1
Why is a discussion about the West Yorkshire franchising scheme taking place in a thread about the Bee Network? Because there's no moderation here any more.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 31, 2024 17:13:35 GMT 1
Whose control would they have been under? the committee of operators & WYCA but the advantage of the EP+ would have also meant the operators contributing to communities more. Would WYCA have any legal control, or would it be like South Yorkshire where operators have continued to withdraw or reduce the frequency of any service they like?
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Post by Burnside on Mar 31, 2024 18:11:26 GMT 1
Why is a discussion about the West Yorkshire franchising scheme taking place in a thread about the Bee Network? Because sometimes a point is brought up in one thread that doesn't strictly stick 100% to topic but is kind of related (franchising in Manchester, franchising in WY for example) and, ignoring the comment about no moderation, rather than shut it down straight away, an amount of leeway might be given to see if we end up back on topic without myself or Craig having to take matters into our own hands. I don't particularly want to be a killjoy and move or delete every comment that isn't 100% on topic within minutes of it being posted (and frankly, i don't have the time) when sometimes we get back on topic with no intervention.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 31, 2024 19:02:47 GMT 1
the committee of operators & WYCA but the advantage of the EP+ would have also meant the operators contributing to communities more. Would WYCA have any legal control, or would it be like South Yorkshire where operators have continued to withdraw or reduce the frequency of any service they like? it would have been joint but it would have brought the big operators into line.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 31, 2024 19:07:18 GMT 1
Why is a discussion about the West Yorkshire franchising scheme taking place in a thread about the Bee Network? Because sometimes a point is brought up in one thread that doesn't strictly stick 100% to topic but is kind of related (franchising in Manchester, franchising in WY for example) and, ignoring the comment about no moderation, rather than shut it down straight away, an amount of leeway might be given to see if we end up back on topic without myself or Craig having to take matters into our own hands. I don't particularly want to be a killjoy and move or delete every comment that isn't 100% on topic within minutes of it being posted (and frankly, i don't have the time) when sometimes we get back on topic with no intervention. Sorry, but I'm afraid I thought it had been abandoned when I reported an insulting post with no relevance to the discussion several days ago. Following rather a lot of troll posts from the same poster.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 31, 2024 19:08:44 GMT 1
Would WYCA have any legal control, or would it be like South Yorkshire where operators have continued to withdraw or reduce the frequency of any service they like? it would have been joint but it would have brought the big operators into line. How? It hasn't in South Yorkshire.
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Post by mattb7tl on Mar 31, 2024 19:27:15 GMT 1
it would have been joint but it would have brought the big operators into line. How? It hasn't in South Yorkshire. They are the first city to have two hourly evening frequencies on core urban bus routes. It's an accomplishment, but the wrong one! I also found it interesting that when one of the routes was also due to become two hourly, believe it was the X5? First decided that they could all of a sudden afford to run it commercially? It very much plays into my accusations with the suspiciously poor evening services...
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 2, 2024 13:38:00 GMT 1
Metroline is the one that sticks out to me from Tranche 3. No more Arriva in that area anymore and Stagecoach has lost quite a bit! I agree that Metroline does stick out. They are the only newcomer in the area, as all other franchises have gone to local incumbents, even if not the same depots.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 2, 2024 13:42:25 GMT 1
This is from speculation. I’ve heard Stagecoach may win Stockport Large - ( as Stockports getting a large number Volvo BZL/ MCV Doubles and singles for 2024 ) Hyde Road Large / Sharston Large could be the ones that go and shift to Comfort Delgro. There’s also other rumours such as Transport Uk ( Abellio ) and RATP are also in the running too for bids. The Wythenshawe Large contract will be the interesting one as Arriva will forfeit this garage. Arriva North West are going back to concentrate in Merseyside. Taking their buses too once the changeover commences. I did read that Stagecoach were quaking in their boots for Tranche 3. Especially after the big Tranche 2 win. So I guess my speculation was 90% correct - Comfort Delgro / Metroline taking the large swath of South Manchester. Wythenshawe / Sharston / Hyde Road / Ashton large depots. I’ve been on several Metroline buses in North West London and the bus routes they seem to deliver. That leaves Stagecoach with Stockport. Which is going bulk Electric Soon. I expect Stockport's electric buses to be to Bee Network spec. They might have the "I'm getting ready to join the Bee Network" stickers that some buses about to leave Stockport had up to March 24th. By coincidence I had already booked to go to London to spend Easter Monday in North West London. As a celebration, I made sure my first ride after reading the news was Metroline (route H17).
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 2, 2024 13:44:59 GMT 1
If Arriva take their Wythenshawe buses with them, itd at least thered be spare buses for Arriva to send to various parts of the country too, which isn't a bad thing at all, considering the fleet problems Arriva have Admittedly, many buses there are at least 12 years old. Mind you, they will probably be retained and cascaded to replace even older buses elsewhere. I sometimes feel the clock going back around 10 years when I have a day out involving Arriva buses (outside of London).
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Apr 11, 2024 19:33:16 GMT 1
If Arriva take their Wythenshawe buses with them, itd at least thered be spare buses for Arriva to send to various parts of the country too, which isn't a bad thing at all, considering the fleet problems Arriva have Admittedly, many buses there are at least 12 years old. Mind you, they will probably be retained and cascaded to replace even older buses elsewhere. I sometimes feel the clock going back around 10 years when I have a day out involving Arriva buses (outside of London). Arriva Manchester don’t have many busesz currently all routes they have are single deck Pulsars on their main routes ( come under Large ) Mellors on their smaller routes ( under small ) To be fair I live on the 263 route in Manchester and this route needs deckers. Singles weren't meant for it ( especially on peaks and when the Metrolink tram doesn’t work ) Once Metroline take over I hope they can source some deckers. Though theirs a pot of ex Oxford Volvo B5 Gemini’s and scania’s that bee network acquired to fill in gaps until new buses arrive. Apparently there’s a total of near to 400 buses to source for Ashton / Hyde Road / Sharston and Wythenshawe. So where these buses are coming from unless Stagecoach sell their buses to Metroline for bee network . I can see them moving their newer E400 MMC’s out on the sly. But who knows.
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Post by martinsfp on Apr 11, 2024 19:42:26 GMT 1
Admittedly, many buses there are at least 12 years old. Mind you, they will probably be retained and cascaded to replace even older buses elsewhere. I sometimes feel the clock going back around 10 years when I have a day out involving Arriva buses (outside of London). Arriva Manchester don’t have many busesz currently all routes they have are single deck Pulsars on their main routes ( come under Large ) Mellors on their smaller routes ( under small ) To be fair I live on the 263 route in Manchester and this route needs deckers. Singles weren't meant for it ( especially on peaks and when the Metrolink tram doesn’t work ) Once Metroline take over I hope they can source some deckers. Though theirs a pot of ex Oxford Volvo B5 Gemini’s and scania’s that bee network acquired to fill in gaps until new buses arrive. Apparently there’s a total of near to 400 buses to source for Ashton / Hyde Road / Sharston and Wythenshawe. So where these buses are coming from unless Stagecoach sell their buses to Metroline for bee network . I can see them moving their newer E400 MMC’s out on the sly. But who knows. One of the delights of the Bee Network has been seeing nice new deckers on routes that just a couple of weeks ago had dirty old singles, so I’m hopeful for routes like the 263. To be fair, the singles Arriva currently runs on that route are still bigger and more pleasant than the tiny, decrepit vehicles they ran on it 25 years ago!
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Post by rodneytrotter on Apr 11, 2024 20:02:06 GMT 1
The pulsars used on those routes are probably a lot better than some of the junk Arriva have around the country, I'm sure a lot of Arriva divisions would love them and would like to get their hands on them to replace, commanders/tempos/e300s/e200s/citaros/versas?
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Post by mattb7tl on Apr 11, 2024 21:55:40 GMT 1
Oldham wasn't included in the performance report for the second week... While it is completely understandable the first week isn't included, it is a little strange the second week was left out? I have noticed a lot of driver mistakes like inputting the wrong journey, would that make the data unusable or do they monitor delays differently?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 4, 2024 9:50:47 GMT 1
Buses are gradually being refurbished and given Bee Network interiors as well as yellow liveries.
This was true of Go North East E400 3117 which I rode last November. Also Go North West Streetdeck (ex Diamond) 3477 and Stagecoach (ex First) E300 27955, both of which I rode on Thursday May 2nd.
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