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Post by michael1971 on Feb 4, 2023 18:46:24 GMT 1
i hope they use the newer B9s they are getting ie 37784 etc
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Post by leedsbusman on Feb 4, 2023 19:10:31 GMT 1
184 transferring to Huddersfield depot from Oldham whens this starting as i use this service a lot Not soon as it hasn’t been registered and as it enters Greater Manchester 112 days notice will need to be given.
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Post by andy1 on Feb 4, 2023 22:05:11 GMT 1
whens this starting as i use this service a lot Not soon as it hasn’t been registered and as it enters Greater Manchester 112 days notice will need to be given. April !
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Post by mattb7tl on Feb 5, 2023 16:23:32 GMT 1
If that’s the case linthwaite won’t have a good night service anymore 😬 It's possible there could be night shorts between Huddersfield & Marsden replacing the current 183 Journeys. I Wonder if this will affect the evening tendered journey run by Nexus Move to/from Marsden, assuming the Oldham journeys run to a similar time in the Evening from Huddersfield it means there will probably be later journeys back from Oldham operated by First That’s a good point! I do feel like the best option would be to keep the 185/184 as normal, while increasing the frequency of the 181 to fill in the gaps of the 183. The 181 is well used, quite shocked it doesn’t have any night journeys?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 17:19:22 GMT 1
It's possible there could be night shorts between Huddersfield & Marsden replacing the current 183 Journeys. I Wonder if this will affect the evening tendered journey run by Nexus Move to/from Marsden, assuming the Oldham journeys run to a similar time in the Evening from Huddersfield it means there will probably be later journeys back from Oldham operated by First That’s a good point! I do feel like the best option would be to keep the 185/184 as normal, while increasing the frequency of the 181 to fill in the gaps of the 183. The 181 is well used, quite shocked it doesn’t have any night journeys? The 181 did sort of used to have night journeys, running a merged service with 183 numbered 182 (Before that being numbered 351,also serving Blackmoorfoot when going around Linthwaite),with it doing a loop around Slaithwaite Village & Wilberlee before then continuing to Marsden. The 182 got replaced by night journeys on 183 the same time the 396 was introduced. If it's not a simple extension of the 183,then i wouldn't be too surprised if the 185 got reduced to Hourly with 184/5 combined half hourly 'direct' services, whilst the 181/3 continue to provide half hourly Via Linthwaite services (similar to the old 348-352 set up) I Wonder also, with 184 now running independently from the rest of the Saddleworth network, could we see the numbers return to the old 348/9/50/52. Would help it stand out more as not being part of the 'Bee Network' when it gets rolled out in Oldham alongside fitting back in with the rest of the Huddersfield network.
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Post by Username on Feb 5, 2023 17:31:40 GMT 1
That’s a good point! I do feel like the best option would be to keep the 185/184 as normal, while increasing the frequency of the 181 to fill in the gaps of the 183. The 181 is well used, quite shocked it doesn’t have any night journeys? The 181 did sort of used to have night journeys, running a merged service with 183 numbered 182 (Before that being numbered 351,also serving Blackmoorfoot when going around Linthwaite),with it doing a loop around Slaithwaite Village & Wilberlee before then continuing to Marsden. The 182 got replaced by night journeys on 183 the same time the 396 was introduced. If it's not a simple extension of the 183,then i wouldn't be too surprised if the 185 got reduced to Hourly with 184/5 combined half hourly 'direct' services, whilst the 181/3 continue to provide half hourly Via Linthwaite services (similar to the old 348-352 set up) I Wonder also, with 184 now running independently from the rest of the Saddleworth network, could we see the numbers return to the old 348/9/50/52. Would help it stand out more as not being part of the 'Bee Network' when it gets rolled out in Oldham alongside fitting back in with the rest of the Huddersfield network. I have thought of that however there is an issue. Services 350 and 352 already exist within South Kirklees so I think renumbering the services to work with the rest of the Slaithwaite corridor possibly 390/1/2 as they match up with 393, 394, 395 and 396.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 17:59:03 GMT 1
The 181 did sort of used to have night journeys, running a merged service with 183 numbered 182 (Before that being numbered 351,also serving Blackmoorfoot when going around Linthwaite),with it doing a loop around Slaithwaite Village & Wilberlee before then continuing to Marsden. The 182 got replaced by night journeys on 183 the same time the 396 was introduced. If it's not a simple extension of the 183,then i wouldn't be too surprised if the 185 got reduced to Hourly with 184/5 combined half hourly 'direct' services, whilst the 181/3 continue to provide half hourly Via Linthwaite services (similar to the old 348-352 set up) I Wonder also, with 184 now running independently from the rest of the Saddleworth network, could we see the numbers return to the old 348/9/50/52. Would help it stand out more as not being part of the 'Bee Network' when it gets rolled out in Oldham alongside fitting back in with the rest of the Huddersfield network. I have thought of that however there is an issue. Services 350 and 352 already exist within South Kirklees so I think renumbering the services to work with the rest of the Slaithwaite corridor possibly 390/1/2 as they match up with 393, 394, 395 and 396. Good point although it wouldn't be much of an issue as they only run a couple of days a week from Holmfirth & Don't cross any of the routes unlike the likes of the 2 Route 7's in Leeds,or the fact the old 184 to Manchester overlapped with an 181 & 2 at each end of it's route. Another possibility could be 329-333 to link with the 328 on the Thornton Lodge section (maybe even a co-ordinated timetable).
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Feb 5, 2023 18:00:36 GMT 1
Lets hope they can implement some sort of decent timetable like how it used to be... Although I cant see it returning to every 10 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 18:19:11 GMT 1
Lets hope they can implement some sort of decent timetable like how it used to be... Although I cant see it returning to every 10 minutes. View AttachmentThe problem compared to the timetable you attached is that's from when they all went direct along Manchester Rd compared to now some going via Linthwaite so it will always be a few minutes out at some point in the route (unless we see the return of the 305 & 390/1)
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 5, 2023 20:40:09 GMT 1
Yes and realistically in the current climate, the bus requirement will either be the same or less. You aren’t going to get 3 buses an hour to Durker again.
I would probably have renumbered the 183/185 back as the 350/352 years ago when the 180/184 was downgraded on the Manchester side
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Post by joseph on Feb 9, 2023 7:20:49 GMT 1
According to a recent WYCA meeting, the Wharfedale tendered services could be suspended later this month as an operator hasn't yet been found.
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Post by o539 on Feb 9, 2023 15:51:57 GMT 1
According to a recent WYCA meeting, the Wharfedale tendered services could be suspended later this month as an operator hasn't yet been found. Similarly, attached is a link to the meeting notes where this was discussed. Judging on the wording, not all the services will be suspended, only the ones which haven't found an operator, although they (the ones which may be suspended) haven't been explicitly mentioned yet. westyorkshire.moderngov.co.uk/documents/s30289/Item%205%20-%20Bus%20Service%20Funding%20and%20Network%20Plan%20Development%20Update.pdf "The current uncertainty around Government funding for bus services is impacting on the confidence of bus operators to submit tenders for contracts with the Combined Authority to operate socially necessary bus services. In late 2022, tenders were invited to operate services in the Otley, Ilkley, Guiseley and Yeadon areas. At the time of writing, insufficient bids had been received to operate all of the CA funded services and it is possible that some services may need to be suspended from February until such time as a bus operator can be found. A verbal update will be provided to the meeting on this situation"
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Post by SCH117X on Feb 9, 2023 19:42:29 GMT 1
The frequent diversion of the 36 from Leeds into Harrogate pass the library and joining onto the route of the services from Knaresborough and Wetherby to the bus station is to made permanent from the 19th, so the stop at Pier Head near Bettys will only served by 36s from Harrogate to Ripon.
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Post by peteleeds on Feb 10, 2023 14:26:24 GMT 1
Metro have a note on their website saying details of changes on 18th will be available to view on monday 13th so assuming some last minute discussions going on with service providers
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Post by WYBS on Feb 10, 2023 14:37:05 GMT 1
Metro have a note on their website saying details of changes on 18th will be available to view on monday 13th so assuming some last minute discussions going on with service providers Good of them to give passengers only a week's notice. I sometimes wonder what is like to be a passenger without detailed advanced knowledge of upcoming changes like we have on this forum.
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Post by lucyp on Feb 10, 2023 15:05:01 GMT 1
What is becoming clear is that subsidising bus services is a waste of money. Post-pandemic, buses are mainly used by old people and students. Certainly outside what used to be the "rush" hours, which aren't anymore.
Transdev have admitted that the £2 cap has only resulted in a 10% in passenger numbers, and then, only on some routes. That is an absolute disaster. I hope that the Government and Councils take note. On some routes, a £2 fare has made no difference in business whatsoever. On the 36, where the former single journey price was about the same as a starter course in a restaurant, and on the Coastliner service where the single journey price from Leeds to the East Coast was about the same as a main course in a restaurant, trade is only up by 10%.
Imagine putting a board outside your restaurants and saying that all starters and mains were now only £2 and there not being a massive queue round the block. Imagine it only increasing your trade by 10% in 2 restaurants and not at all in the others. If that was the effect, you would scrap the scheme on the same day.
For the Wharfedale Links services, they should scrap them all, and say to old people with bus passes - just call a taxi and send the receipt to the Council for reimbursement. It would be more cost effective than tendering, and provide a better service for old people.
It's now going to be impossible to justify anymore "pimp-my-ride" buses. Cheap fares and "pimped" buses don't attract passengers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 15:18:14 GMT 1
What is becoming clear is that subsidising bus services is a waste of money. Post-pandemic, buses are mainly used by old people and students. Certainly outside what used to be the "rush" hours, which aren't anymore. Transdev have admitted that the £2 cap has only resulted in a 10% in passenger numbers, and then, only on some routes. That is an absolute disaster. I hope that the Government and Councils take note. On some routes, a £2 fare has made no difference in business whatsoever. On the 36, where the former single journey price was about the same as a starter course in a restaurant, and on the Coastliner service where the single journey price from Leeds to the East Coast was about the same as a main course in a restaurant, trade is only up by 10%. Imagine putting a board outside your restaurants and saying that all starters and mains were now only £2 and there not being a massive queue round the block. Imagine it only increasing your trade by 10% in 2 restaurants and not at all in the others. If that was the effect, you would scrap the scheme on the same day. For the Wharfedale Links services, they should scrap them all, and say to old people with bus passes - just call a taxi and send the receipt to the Council for reimbursement. It would be more cost effective than tendering, and provide a better service for old people. It's now going to be impossible to justify anymore "pimp-my-ride" buses. Cheap fares and "pimped" buses don't attract passengers. I'm not sure it is an 'absolute disaster' when (despite what Transdev had tried to make it) the target was never to increase passenger numbers - The national £2 fare scheme was part of the governments cost of living support, helping keeping costs down for them who have been hit the hardest (IE them more likely to already of been using a bus if possible) hence why it runs out just before the first cost of living payment gets sent out to them on the lowest incomes. If Transdev are disappointed with the results, maybe they need to remember the real reason why it was introduced in the first place.
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Post by deerfold on Feb 10, 2023 15:42:48 GMT 1
What is becoming clear is that subsidising bus services is a waste of money. Post-pandemic, buses are mainly used by old people and students. Certainly outside what used to be the "rush" hours, which aren't anymore. Transdev have admitted that the £2 cap has only resulted in a 10% in passenger numbers, and then, only on some routes. That is an absolute disaster. I hope that the Government and Councils take note. On some routes, a £2 fare has made no difference in business whatsoever. On the 36, where the former single journey price was about the same as a starter course in a restaurant, and on the Coastliner service where the single journey price from Leeds to the East Coast was about the same as a main course in a restaurant, trade is only up by 10%. Imagine putting a board outside your restaurants and saying that all starters and mains were now only £2 and there not being a massive queue round the block. Imagine it only increasing your trade by 10% in 2 restaurants and not at all in the others. If that was the effect, you would scrap the scheme on the same day. For the Wharfedale Links services, they should scrap them all, and say to old people with bus passes - just call a taxi and send the receipt to the Council for reimbursement. It would be more cost effective than tendering, and provide a better service for old people. It's now going to be impossible to justify anymore "pimp-my-ride" buses. Cheap fares and "pimped" buses don't attract passengers. Are you just trying to troll people? Whilst that might be your experience, I see many types of people on my local buses. I'm not sure how much trade you expect there to be on a cold winter's day to Scarborough from Leeds. I'm not sure the restaurant analogy works very well. You can get a double cheeseburger at McDonalds for £1.99, but I've never been tempted to. I'd rather they didn't scrap the Wharfedale Link services, I occasionally use some of them, even though I live some distance from Otley. What are people who aren't old supposed to do? What makes you think paying for older peoples' taxis would be more cost effective? Have you been travelling widely on buses recently? A 10% increase in patronage would be seen as quite a leap for most companies, especially ones where many fares aren't made cheaper by the £2 fare (for all but one of the services past my house I could already do a return journey in either direction for less than £4).
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Post by deerfold on Feb 10, 2023 15:47:05 GMT 1
I'm not sure it is an 'absolute disaster' when (despite what Transdev had tried to make it) the target was never to increase passenger numbers - The national £2 fare scheme was part of the governments cost of living support, helping keeping costs down for them who have been hit the hardest (IE them more likely to already of been using a bus if possible) hence why it runs out just before the first cost of living payment gets sent out to them on the lowest incomes. If Transdev are disappointed with the results, maybe they need to remember the real reason why it was introduced in the first place. Transdev don't seem to be disappointed - they seem quite happy to have more passengers.
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Post by 77syk7 on Feb 10, 2023 16:03:53 GMT 1
As a long standing member of this forum, I have always believed that comments should be about operators, buses and their route network. I have always kept personal comments / views about other people in society out of the discussion. However, I must make an exception here commenting on 'lucyp's remarks about 'old people'. I turned 70 this week and travel most weeks by public transport in what could be described as the 'leisure' category. (ie non-essential travel). I do find the rather disparaging comments about old people somewhat insensitive, maybe a little more thought is needed before writing what could be considered as upsetting remarks. I do think I maybe speaking on behalf of other more 'mature' members of this forum!
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Post by deerfold on Feb 10, 2023 16:16:12 GMT 1
As a long standing member of this forum, I have always believed that comments should be about operators, buses and their route network. I have always kept personal comments / views about other people in society out of the discussion. However, I must make an exception here commenting on 'lucyp's remarks about 'old people'. I turned 70 this week and travel most weeks by public transport in what could be described as the 'leisure' category. (ie non-essential travel). I do find the rather disparaging comments about old people somewhat insensitive, maybe a little more thought is needed before writing what could be considered as upsetting remarks. I do think I maybe speaking on behalf of other more 'mature' members of this forum! It's a shame there's no way to block people on this forum. Lucyp has many strident views, but rarely responds to those querying their veracity.
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Post by WYBS on Feb 10, 2023 16:28:02 GMT 1
What is becoming clear is that subsidising bus services is a waste of money. Post-pandemic, buses are mainly used by old people and students. Certainly outside what used to be the "rush" hours, which aren't anymore. Transdev have admitted that the £2 cap has only resulted in a 10% in passenger numbers, and then, only on some routes. That is an absolute disaster. I hope that the Government and Councils take note. On some routes, a £2 fare has made no difference in business whatsoever. On the 36, where the former single journey price was about the same as a starter course in a restaurant, and on the Coastliner service where the single journey price from Leeds to the East Coast was about the same as a main course in a restaurant, trade is only up by 10%. Imagine putting a board outside your restaurants and saying that all starters and mains were now only £2 and there not being a massive queue round the block. Imagine it only increasing your trade by 10% in 2 restaurants and not at all in the others. If that was the effect, you would scrap the scheme on the same day. For the Wharfedale Links services, they should scrap them all, and say to old people with bus passes - just call a taxi and send the receipt to the Council for reimbursement. It would be more cost effective than tendering, and provide a better service for old people. It's now going to be impossible to justify anymore "pimp-my-ride" buses. Cheap fares and "pimped" buses don't attract passengers. Talking absolute tripe once again. A good public transport network is fundamental in any modern country.
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Post by deerfold on Feb 10, 2023 16:31:33 GMT 1
Talking absolute tripe once again. A good public transport network is fundamental in any modern country. Perhaps that's why we have such gaps in ours.
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Post by rwilkes on Feb 10, 2023 18:00:45 GMT 1
What is becoming clear is that subsidising bus services is a waste of money. Post-pandemic, buses are mainly used by old people and students. Certainly outside what used to be the "rush" hours, which aren't anymore. Transdev have admitted that the £2 cap has only resulted in a 10% in passenger numbers, and then, only on some routes. That is an absolute disaster. I hope that the Government and Councils take note. On some routes, a £2 fare has made no difference in business whatsoever. On the 36, where the former single journey price was about the same as a starter course in a restaurant, and on the Coastliner service where the single journey price from Leeds to the East Coast was about the same as a main course in a restaurant, trade is only up by 10%. Imagine putting a board outside your restaurants and saying that all starters and mains were now only £2 and there not being a massive queue round the block. Imagine it only increasing your trade by 10% in 2 restaurants and not at all in the others. If that was the effect, you would scrap the scheme on the same day. For the Wharfedale Links services, they should scrap them all, and say to old people with bus passes - just call a taxi and send the receipt to the Council for reimbursement. It would be more cost effective than tendering, and provide a better service for old people. It's now going to be impossible to justify anymore "pimp-my-ride" buses. Cheap fares and "pimped" buses don't attract passengers. The reality is that all routes have seen a nearly full recovery of paying passengers, it is the pensioners who have not returned. You seem to have little grasp of reality But I do think that the money spent on £2 would have been better spent on bus priorities and evneing and Sunday services
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 18:32:58 GMT 1
What is becoming clear is that subsidising bus services is a waste of money. Post-pandemic, buses are mainly used by old people and students. Certainly outside what used to be the "rush" hours, which aren't anymore. Transdev have admitted that the £2 cap has only resulted in a 10% in passenger numbers, and then, only on some routes. That is an absolute disaster. I hope that the Government and Councils take note. On some routes, a £2 fare has made no difference in business whatsoever. On the 36, where the former single journey price was about the same as a starter course in a restaurant, and on the Coastliner service where the single journey price from Leeds to the East Coast was about the same as a main course in a restaurant, trade is only up by 10%. Imagine putting a board outside your restaurants and saying that all starters and mains were now only £2 and there not being a massive queue round the block. Imagine it only increasing your trade by 10% in 2 restaurants and not at all in the others. If that was the effect, you would scrap the scheme on the same day. For the Wharfedale Links services, they should scrap them all, and say to old people with bus passes - just call a taxi and send the receipt to the Council for reimbursement. It would be more cost effective than tendering, and provide a better service for old people. It's now going to be impossible to justify anymore "pimp-my-ride" buses. Cheap fares and "pimped" buses don't attract passengers. The reality is that all routes have seen a nearly full recovery of paying passengers, it is the pensioners who have not returned. You seem to have little grasp of reality But I do think that the money spent on £2 would have been better spent on bus priorities and evneing and Sunday services I'm guessing your meaning the W Yorks £2 Fares rather than the England Wide one? As that came from the Bus Improvement Plan that is also meant to be funding the other things you mentioned. It is rather a sad state of affairs when we have to choose between cheaper fares or Evening/Sunday services when you look at the rest of Europe & even the 'everything for profit' capitalist America & how they do a much better job of funding public transport.
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