Late October/Early November 2022 Changes

[hstjohnny]

First signs of a few registrations coming through for the late October/ Early November Changes.

1/1A/1B/1C/1D/N1 (Harrogate Bus Co) Changes to times from 6th November to improve reliability

2A/2B/3/6 (Harrogate Bus Co) Changes to times from 6th November to improve reliability

7 (Harrogate Bus Co) Frequency Reduced to Hourly Daily from 6th November, with a few extra journeys Mon-Fri Peak times

36 (Harrogate Bus Co) Jennyfield/Bilton Morning Journeys withdrawn from 6th November

Cityzap (York & County) - Withdrawn from 21st November

874 (York Pullman) - York Pullman Retain Winter Dalesbus Wetherby - Buckden from 31st October

X98/X99 Registration also changes from Coastliner to Harrogate Bus Co from 21st November

[hstjohnny]

Harrogate Changes now confirmed:

www.transdevbus.co.uk/harrogate/were-making-changes-6-november

Updated the post above to show these

[WYBS]

7's being halved. Hmmm that's not great.

[SCH117X]

At least late running should no longer have knock on effects with a 39 minute dwell at Harrogate during off peak. PVR of 5 needed for weekday am initially with 4 for off peak. No doubt Connexions will make hay over it (Harrogate-Wetherby) completely forgetting they do not operate Saturdays, Sundays or evenings

[WYBS]

Oct 11, 2022 22:44:51 GMT 1 SCH117X said:

At least late running should no longer have knock on effects with a 39 minute dwell at Harrogate during off peak. PVR of 5 needed for weekday am initially with 4 for off peak. No doubt Connexions will make hay over it (Harrogate-Wetherby) completely forgetting they do not operate Saturdays, Sundays or evenings

Good point, well made. 'We're going to run buses, but not on evenings and Sundays'. We're also going to complain about the operator who does run on evenings and Sundays so that people can still get home from work/ go shopping/ go for a drink ect...

It is a massive shame to see such a route fail, but if the passengers aren't there then there's not much more you can do.

[rwilkes]

at least the 7 gives a good evening and Sunday service

[daveshipley1111]

Hornby was told to make cuts at Harrogate to accommodate x98/9 which is unsustainable logistically at the moment.

This is what happens when costs start to catch up with you.

[SCH117X]

So the very empty looking 7s I have seen recently are all part of bigger hoak then ? Admittably Wetherby- Harrogate is not helped by Connexions not only competing but often running late so they by pure accident end up a few minutes in front of the 7. Could it actually be there is not the custom to maintain a half hourly all daytime? Before HCT/Connexions arrived on the scene it was typical to see very full 770s (as they were then- 2 an hour) offloading in Harrogate even at lunchtime and talk had been of increasing it to 3 an hour; since the X70 turned up I have doubts that there has been any great increased custom on the route and its simply been split across four journeys rather than two and with lockdown and post lockdown issues the custom simply has not returned.

[Deleted]

Oct 13, 2022 21:10:01 GMT 1 SCH117X said:

So the very empty looking 7s I have seen recently are all part of bigger hoak then ? Admittably Wetherby- Harrogate is not helped by Connexions not only competing but often running late so they by pure accident end up a few minutes in front of the 7. Could it actually be there is not the custom to maintain a half hourly all daytime? Before HCT/Connexions arrived on the scene it was typical to see very full 770s (as they were then- 2 an hour) offloading in Harrogate even at lunchtime and talk had been of increasing it to 3 an hour; since the X70 turned up I have doubts that there has been any great increased custom on the route and its simply been split across four journeys rather than two and with lockdown and post lockdown issues the custom simply has not returned.

The reliability of the route wouldn't of helped much either,even pre-covid it was fairly poor at peak times (not totally their fault as getting through Seacroft could be a nightmare). Since the opening of the ELOR it seems to have improved things traffic wise,but it's still fairly unreliable due to the driver shortage. I Admit i did roll my eyes when they blamed it on covid,as i do think it's more than just that (speaking as someone who used to use route 7 until a few months ago).

[MetrolineGA1511]

Hopefully route 7 will be double-decked to compensate for the reduction in frequency.

[SCH117X]

The 7 will require five vehicles (am peak), not sure Harrogate has enough double deckers to ensure all are.

[WYBS]

Oct 15, 2022 10:41:23 GMT 1 MetrolineGA1511 said:

Hopefully route 7 will be double-decked to compensate for the reduction in frequency.

Not much chance of that. Hopefully they will put deckers on peak journeys as they do sometimes now, but I fear with the timetable reduction will go even more passengers so overcrowding during the day won't be an issue.

[SCH117X]

The 0705 from Leeds comes off a 36 so should be a double decker. Assuming its not swopped at Harrogate that then should work the 0910 / 1310 / 1720 / 2120 to Leeds , 1055 / 1455/ 1950 / 2250 from Leeds

[deerfold]

Flyer A1 has a new timetable from 20 November. passenger-line-assets.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/transdevblazefield/YCD/A1-timetable-20221120-824342d2.pdf

Largely every 20 minutes with some gaps of up to half an hour. Half hourly for most of the evening (until 2250).

Current timetable is largely half hourly with gaps of up to 45 minutes, hourly all evening (from 1850).

[SCH117X]

True to form Connexions have a poster "Never fear, We're still here! X70 Still every 30 mins" followed by in small text "Monday to Friday" to which ideally it should have "daytime" added. On Facebook the comment "When it turns into turns up. Lol" quickly appeared. More relevant its not every 30 mins from Wetherby being 25 - 35 interval if on time.

[LukePA]

Changes are now on WY Metro
www.wymetro.com/media/8960/public-transport-changes-29-oct-2022-13402.pdf

7 Harrogate • Wetherby • Boston Spa • Leeds Sunday 30 October 2022
Operated by Harrogate Bus Company Revised timetable will be introduced.
36 Ripon • Harrogate • Harewood • Leeds
Sunday 30 October 2022
Operated by Harrogate Bus Company
Monday to Friday timetable amendments introduced.
181 185 Huddersfield • Slaithwaite • Wilberlee / Marsden Sun 30 October 2022
Operated by First
Revised timetable will be introduced.
308 Huddersfield • Honley • Netherthong • Holmfirth Sun 30 October 2022
Operated by First
Revised timetable will be introduced.
328 Bradley • Balmoral Avenue Sun 30 October 2022
Operated by First
Revised timetable will be introduced.
384 385 Huddersfield • Asda Circular Monday 24 October 2022
Operated by Stotts
Revised timetable will be introduced.
388 Huddersfield Royal Infirmary • Meltham Monday 24 October 2022
Operated by Stotts
International Revised timetable will be introduced.
508 Halifax • Shelf • Farsley • Leeds Sun 30 October 2022
Operated by First
Revised timetable will be introduced.
862 873 884 Keighley • Ilkley • Bolton Abbey • Draughton • Skipton
Sun 30 Oct 2022
Operated by The Keighley Bus Company
The winter timetable will be introduced, which will run from 30 October 2022.
874 Wetherby • Leeds • Otley • Ilkley • Bolton Abbey • Grassington • Buckden Sun 30 Oct 2022
Operated by York Pullman
The winter timetable will be introduced, which will run from 30 October to 2 April 2023 inclusive.
911 Meltham • Thurstonland Circular Monday 24 October 2022
Operated by Stotts
Revised timetable will be introduced.
A1 Leeds Bradford Airport • Leeds
Sunday 6 November 2022
Operated by Yorkshire Coastliner
Frequency increased back to every 20 mins. Wellington Street timing point changed to Rail Station B in preparation for city centre layout changes. In preparation for upcoming city centre layout changes, the following journeys are changed-
o Mon – Sat 2350 from York Street now departs at 2340 from the Bus Station
o Mon – Sat 0032 from Wellington Street now departs at 0040 from York Street
o Mon – Sat 2305 from Airport now terminates at the bus station
o Mon – Sun 0005 from Airport now terminates at York Street
o Mon – Fri minor running time changes to 0720, 0750, 0815 and 1810
from Leeds
PR3 Stourton Park and Ride
Sunday 30 October 2022
Operated by First
Monday to Friday between 0700-0900 and 1600-1830 the frequency of the PR3 service will be increased to every 10 mins.

X84 Leeds • Otley • Burley-in-Wharfedale • Ilkely Sun 30 October 2022
Operated by First
Revised timetable will be introduced.

[Father Dougal McGuire]

Really do not understand why operators are making non passenger friendly timetables. On the new 508 timetable there are only a handful of journeys that depart at block number xx00, xx05 etc. Unacceptable as the bus workings will allow for a proper timetable. Just looks rushed and unprofessional. When I worked in scheduling it was important for the timetables to be clear and memorable which also improved reliability with them all being clockface and block numbers.

[deerfold]

Oct 24, 2022 16:42:54 GMT 1 Father Dougal McGuire said:

Really do not understand why operators are making non passenger friendly timetables. On the new 508 timetable there are only a handful of journeys that depart at block number xx00, xx05 etc. Unacceptable as the bus workings will allow for a proper timetable. Just looks rushed and unprofessional. When I worked in scheduling it was important for the timetables to be clear and memorable which also improved reliability with them all being clockface and block numbers.

Certainly a bugger to remember. Every 30 - 37 minutes during the day then in an evening every 70 but then 29 minutes between the last 2. Very odd.

[77syk7]

Once again, the timetable of the 508 is messed with to give this totally unmemorable timetable as outlined above by 2 of the Forum's experienced members.
I am becoming a bit of a bore when commenting on the poor coordination of the 508 / 681/2 from Northowram to Halifax - so apologies.
The new timetable next week sees daytime departures from Northowram at 1135 - 1159 - 1205 - 1232 - 1235 - 1303 - 1305 - 1332 etc. A sizeable community just 2 miles from Halifax with a 28 minute wait for a bus into Halifax. Does nobody from Firstgroup realise yet that Bradford and Halifax are part of the same company. Has anybody waited at this stop to check schedules and experience what it is like for their passengers?
In the evening from Halifax back to Northowram after 2100 things become even worse - 2120 - 2123 - 2223 - 2314. Maybe I will have to change my ways and no longer contribute to the economy of Halifax's establishments in the evening!

[WYBS]

Oct 25, 2022 9:50:37 GMT 1 77syk7 said:

Once again, the timetable of the 508 is messed with to give this totally unmemorable timetable as outlined above by 2 of the Forum's experienced members.
I am becoming a bit of a bore when commenting on the poor coordination of the 508 / 681/2 from Northowram to Halifax - so apologies.
The new timetable next week sees daytime departures from Northowram at 1135 - 1159 - 1205 - 1232 - 1235 - 1303 - 1305 - 1332 etc. A sizeable community just 2 miles from Halifax with a 28 minute wait for a bus into Halifax. Does nobody from Firstgroup realise yet that Bradford and Halifax are part of the same company. Has anybody waited at this stop to check schedules and experience what it is like for their passengers?
In the evening from Halifax back to Northowram after 2100 things become even worse - 2120 - 2123 - 2223 - 2314. Maybe I will have to change my ways and no longer contribute to the economy of Halifax's establishments in the evening!

Where can I find a copy of this new timetable?

[deerfold]

Oct 25, 2022 11:13:14 GMT 1 WYBS said:

Oct 25, 2022 9:50:37 GMT 1 77syk7 said:

Once again, the timetable of the 508 is messed with to give this totally unmemorable timetable as outlined above by 2 of the Forum's experienced members.
I am becoming a bit of a bore when commenting on the poor coordination of the 508 / 681/2 from Northowram to Halifax - so apologies.
The new timetable next week sees daytime departures from Northowram at 1135 - 1159 - 1205 - 1232 - 1235 - 1303 - 1305 - 1332 etc. A sizeable community just 2 miles from Halifax with a 28 minute wait for a bus into Halifax. Does nobody from Firstgroup realise yet that Bradford and Halifax are part of the same company. Has anybody waited at this stop to check schedules and experience what it is like for their passengers?
In the evening from Halifax back to Northowram after 2100 things become even worse - 2120 - 2123 - 2223 - 2314. Maybe I will have to change my ways and no longer contribute to the economy of Halifax's establishments in the evening!

Where can I find a copy of this new timetable?

bustimes.org/services/508-leeds-halifax?date=2022-10-31

Not on Metro's website with 5 days until the change - on Sunday some buses run at 35 minutes past the hour instead of 40 - but not the ones that ran at 30 past in the old timetable.

[WYBS]

Oct 25, 2022 11:22:26 GMT 1 deerfold said:

Oct 25, 2022 11:13:14 GMT 1 WYBS said:

Where can I find a copy of this new timetable?

bustimes.org/services/508-leeds-halifax?date=2022-10-31

Not on Metro's website with 5 days until the change - on Sunday some buses run at 35 minutes past the hour instead of 40 - but not the ones that ran at 30 past in the old timetable.

Thanks. Looks like a backstreet a******n

[moorside]

Oct 25, 2022 9:50:37 GMT 1 77syk7 said:

Once again, the timetable of the 508 is messed with to give this totally unmemorable timetable as outlined above by 2 of the Forum's experienced members.
I am becoming a bit of a bore when commenting on the poor coordination of the 508 / 681/2 from Northowram to Halifax - so apologies.
The new timetable next week sees daytime departures from Northowram at 1135 - 1159 - 1205 - 1232 - 1235 - 1303 - 1305 - 1332 etc. A sizeable community just 2 miles from Halifax with a 28 minute wait for a bus into Halifax. Does nobody from Firstgroup realise yet that Bradford and Halifax are part of the same company. Has anybody waited at this stop to check schedules and experience what it is like for their passengers?
In the evening from Halifax back to Northowram after 2100 things become even worse - 2120 - 2123 - 2223 - 2314. Maybe I will have to change my ways and no longer contribute to the economy of Halifax's establishments in the evening!

I can well understand 77syk7's frustration with the lack of coordination between the 508 & 681/2 times, but Northowram is lucky with its evening service compared to other areas: Southowram for example now has an hourly bus until 1925 then just one at 2125. Siddal's last bus is at 2014. The Ovenden Road/ Keighley Road / Holmfield area has nothing after the 522/3 finishes at 1900, except one 526 at 2035. It would be interesting to know how people in these areas get home from a night out in Halifax: I suspect most get a taxi but it is remarkable that well-populated areas have such a poor evening service.

[Father Dougal McGuire]

Oct 26, 2022 23:50:01 GMT 1 moorside said:

Oct 25, 2022 9:50:37 GMT 1 77syk7 said:

Once again, the timetable of the 508 is messed with to give this totally unmemorable timetable as outlined above by 2 of the Forum's experienced members.
I am becoming a bit of a bore when commenting on the poor coordination of the 508 / 681/2 from Northowram to Halifax - so apologies.
The new timetable next week sees daytime departures from Northowram at 1135 - 1159 - 1205 - 1232 - 1235 - 1303 - 1305 - 1332 etc. A sizeable community just 2 miles from Halifax with a 28 minute wait for a bus into Halifax. Does nobody from Firstgroup realise yet that Bradford and Halifax are part of the same company. Has anybody waited at this stop to check schedules and experience what it is like for their passengers?
In the evening from Halifax back to Northowram after 2100 things become even worse - 2120 - 2123 - 2223 - 2314. Maybe I will have to change my ways and no longer contribute to the economy of Halifax's establishments in the evening!

I can well understand 77syk7's frustration with the lack of coordination between the 508 & 681/2 times, but Northowram is lucky with its evening service compared to other areas: Southowram for example now has an hourly bus until 1925 then just one at 2125. Siddal's last bus is at 2014. The Ovenden Road/ Keighley Road / Holmfield area has nothing after the 422/3 finishes at 1900, except one 526 at 2035. It would be interesting to know how people in these areas get home from a night out in Halifax: I suspect most get a taxi but it is remarkable that well-populated areas have such a poor evening service.

The Siddal/Norton Tower service was cut to finish earlier during lockdown and then never returned...odd because I drove the late turn 541/542 service when on loan a few times and loading on the Norton Tower side was good but mostly factory workers going to and from work at the top of Gibbet Street.

[joseph]

Yorkshire Travel are launching two new routes (ok one is a First replacement) from November 7th. The first is a 29A running one AM peak journey on schooldays only from Holt Park via Headingley and Leeds to Leeds Dock. The second is, you've guessed it, the 29 from Leeds Dock to the University via Leeds, running up to half hourly Mon to Fri with one schooldays only journey extending to Lawnswood School. Evening journeys will also run Monday to Friday as well as an hourly Saturday daytime service.