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Post by mk2mcw on Mar 9, 2022 22:59:25 GMT 1
exactly that poor numbers. Leeds to Huddersfield the 229 is the fastest route at 1hr30 as the 202/203 take 1hr30-2hrs I don't rate those links, I feel like they they're meant for the places in-between those locations more than the actual starting and final destinations. I genuinely believe that a fairly quick, cheaper and premium route between those locations would be a successful route. Transdev seems to take a lot of risks creating long and risky routes, and I believe they would attempt to do something similar. For example, X43 from Burnley to Manchester. They're absolutely ages away from each other, there's not much of a population between the two and it seems to be a very successful route. I live in Burnley and use the X43 regularly I assure you now it’s not Busy at all
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 9, 2022 23:08:34 GMT 1
I can't lie guide ways feel much more inefficient than a bus lane, I genuinely hope they end up doing this sometime in the future. It's already planned for Leeds. It’ll be a hard sell to justify the no doubt millions it’ll probably cost.
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Post by joseph on Mar 10, 2022 6:55:48 GMT 1
Love to see Transdev go in competition with First and take on the Leeds to Bradford 72 route. Feel like now would be right time to do it, as the current 15 min daytime and half hourly off peak services are inadequate and most buses are running to near full loads, even having to leave passengers behind. Transdev are still running reduced timetables of their own on several routes including Bradford's 662 and Leeds's 36. They don't have much of a network in either Bradford or Leeds (compared with First). Transdev can't even run the 36 to it's current timetable, cancelations all over the shop, lots of gaps, bunching etc. Yesterday at Harewood two ran very close together and both busy resulting in the already delayed one something like 15 mins late by the time it reached Leeds. Another ran half an hour late one morning after getting stuck in the toff jam up by the grammer school.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Mar 10, 2022 8:14:42 GMT 1
I can't lie guide ways feel much more inefficient than a bus lane, I genuinely hope they end up doing this sometime in the future. It's already planned for Leeds. In those plans for York Road too. I’d say nearly half of the bus services aren't using the guided bus Lane. A Bus lane seems more efficient. Guided busways seem to work well on those stretches like in Cambridgeshire / or to Leigh/ Atherton in Manchester where they converted the disused rail lines.
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Post by kendall17 on Mar 10, 2022 9:05:03 GMT 1
It's already planned for Leeds. It’ll be a hard sell to justify the no doubt millions it’ll probably cost. Will it? It'll come to a point where First stop using the guideway due to being unable to find appropriate vehicles to replace the current crop. Benefit will be sold on having ALL vehicles in a bus lane. My issue is that it should've been done when the cycle superhighway was completed.
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Post by Dom on Mar 10, 2022 13:49:19 GMT 1
It’ll be a hard sell to justify the no doubt millions it’ll probably cost. Will it? It'll come to a point where First stop using the guideway due to being unable to find appropriate vehicles to replace the current crop. Benefit will be sold on having ALL vehicles in a bus lane. My issue is that it should've been done when the cycle superhighway was completed. My issue with normal bus lanes though, is usually they get jammed up with parked cars, look at Manninghan Lane/ Keighley Road, the one on Leeds Road.
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Post by WYBS on Mar 10, 2022 14:22:07 GMT 1
Will it? It'll come to a point where First stop using the guideway due to being unable to find appropriate vehicles to replace the current crop. Benefit will be sold on having ALL vehicles in a bus lane. My issue is that it should've been done when the cycle superhighway was completed. My issue with normal bus lanes though, is usually they get jammed up with parked cars, look at Manninghan Lane/ Keighley Road, the one on Leeds Road. But is there much of a police/ traffic warden presence in those areas? There's no issue on Kirkstall Road for example. If I say anymore I'll probably get #cancelled.
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Post by leeds rider on Mar 10, 2022 18:30:14 GMT 1
Will it? It'll come to a point where First stop using the guideway due to being unable to find appropriate vehicles to replace the current crop. Benefit will be sold on having ALL vehicles in a bus lane. My issue is that it should've been done when the cycle superhighway was completed. My issue with normal bus lanes though, is usually they get jammed up with parked cars, look at Manninghan Lane/ Keighley Road, the one on Leeds Road. The York Road proposals replace the guideway with a two-way bus lane in situ - still in the centre of the road and segregated from the main carriageways with kerbs. Bit difficult to jam those up with parked cars!
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 10, 2022 22:19:06 GMT 1
Defiantly slowly changing my opinion on my prediction 😂 Must ask one last question, what would makes the cityzap between York and Leeds different? Trains are similar in price and train usually takes the same amount of time as the ones between Leeds and Huddersfield. Is the route heavily subsidized or? Train fares. An off-peak return on the train between Leeds and York costs £17.50 On off-peak return on the train between Leeds and Huddersfield costs £8.30 – it's much cheaper because it's in the Metro zone. So at £8 for a day return on CityZap, it's cheaper than the train and therefore still an attractive option for fare-paying passengers – it doesn't need to subsist entirely on pensioners! Whereas the same price to Huddersfield would barely undercut the train at all, so there would be no real incentive for anyone without a bus pass to use the bus.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 11, 2022 10:14:18 GMT 1
The Cityzap Leeds York is just a change to a very established service though - Passengers have been used to using Transdev/Blazefield buses between the two cities for decades. Cityzap Manchester was a completely new service
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Post by joseph on Mar 11, 2022 18:24:49 GMT 1
Because the 36 is struggling to keep to time, as well as run all journeys, I'm predicting it'll be split at Harrogate, with the Leeds section reduced to every 20 mins and the Ripon bit kept half hourly. Currently it's becoming a joke reliability wise so here's to hoping common sense prevails and such changes happen.
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Post by ianigsy on Mar 11, 2022 22:30:22 GMT 1
The Cityzap Leeds York is just a change to a very established service though - Passengers have been used to using Transdev/Blazefield buses between the two cities for decades. Cityzap Manchester was a completely new service Cityzap is also particularly handy if you want York College (I know somebody who does Otley-Leeds-York several times a week) or the racecourse rather than getting the train to York and then walk/taxi/bus out again, which wipes out the time saving from the train.
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Post by Username on Mar 12, 2022 21:05:09 GMT 1
I don't rate those links, I feel like they they're meant for the places in-between those locations more than the actual starting and final destinations. I genuinely believe that a fairly quick, cheaper and premium route between those locations would be a successful route. Transdev seems to take a lot of risks creating long and risky routes, and I believe they would attempt to do something similar. For example, X43 from Burnley to Manchester. They're absolutely ages away from each other, there's not much of a population between the two and it seems to be a very successful route. I live in Burnley and use the X43 regularly I assure you now it’s not Busy at all Two words Pendle-Wizz Covid.
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Post by deerfold on Mar 12, 2022 21:34:24 GMT 1
I live in Burnley and use the X43 regularly I assure you now it’s not Busy at all Two words Pendle-Wizz Covid. Fairly sure that's three.
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Post by Username on Mar 12, 2022 21:34:47 GMT 1
Because the 36 is struggling to keep to time, as well as run all journeys, I'm predicting it'll be split at Harrogate, with the Leeds section reduced to every 20 mins and the Ripon bit kept half hourly. Currently it's becoming a joke reliability wise so here's to hoping common sense prevails and such changes happen. Coastliner is also struggling to keep to time imagine how controversial it would be to split the bus service. I think Coastliner should just run non stop to Tadcaster and then stopping on the rest of the route.
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Post by stephen01 on Mar 12, 2022 22:12:12 GMT 1
Because the 36 is struggling to keep to time, as well as run all journeys, I'm predicting it'll be split at Harrogate, with the Leeds section reduced to every 20 mins and the Ripon bit kept half hourly. Currently it's becoming a joke reliability wise so here's to hoping common sense prevails and such changes happen. Coastliner is also struggling to keep to time imagine how controversial it would be to split the bus service. I think Coastliner should just run non stop to Tadcaster and then stopping on the rest of the route. At the moment the issues with Coastliner is that you've got delays on the A64 which is causing BIG delays especially the section from York towards Malton & Scarborough where you've got a massive diversion plus every other day there's closures due to accidents which adds on diversions. The Coastliner routes are long established and also provide local links although it might be an idea for them to look into re-introducing the 844 to help with demand.
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Post by Dom on Mar 12, 2022 23:24:27 GMT 1
My prediction is Bradford will get a park and ride near the M606
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Post by Username on Mar 13, 2022 10:15:15 GMT 1
I live in Burnley and use the X43 regularly I assure you now it’s not Busy at all Two words Pendle-Wizz Covid. If hyphenated it turns it to one word. I don't make the rules.
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Post by Username on Mar 13, 2022 10:17:39 GMT 1
My prediction is Bradford will get a park and ride near the M606 Halifax needs a Park & Ride near Exley as the A629 is far too busy Maybe stick it near the roundabout that they are making. Possibly Sowerby Bridge as well. Traffic is too high.
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Post by Username on Mar 13, 2022 10:19:50 GMT 1
My prediction is Bradford will get a park and ride near the M606 Halifax needs a Park & Ride near Exley as the A629 is far too busy Maybe stick it near the roundabout that they are making. Possibly Sowerby Bridge as well. Traffic is too high. Halifax struggles with traffic as there are is not much connecting roads to get to places. Brighouse would be easier to get to if the road through Southowram was widened and turned into a more direct route for Brighouse but instead the direct route is to run along Elland bypass and then on to Park Road.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 13, 2022 17:36:48 GMT 1
Brighouse would be easier to get to if the road through Southowram was widened and turned into a more direct route for Brighouse but instead the direct route is to run along Elland bypass and then on to Park Road. I don't know where to start
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Post by deerfold on Mar 13, 2022 17:38:08 GMT 1
Two words Pendle-Wizz Covid. If hyphenated it turns it to one word. I don't make the rules. I've never seen anyone else hyphenate it. That seems to be your rule. Perhaps you could explain how your two or three words explain anything.
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