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Post by dlspotter on Jul 28, 2020 21:56:28 GMT 1
I wonder with this Coastliner registration if they are planning on interworking with what ever route York depot does from Harrogate? It's about the only other logical reason I can think of. The 22/23 from Knaresborough?
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Post by rossbailey on Jul 28, 2020 22:02:22 GMT 1
If and when the airport gets planning permission to build its new £150 million terminal development by Leeds City Council.
It is stated in the "Travel Plan" Document that LBA owners wish to introduce fast non-stop (coach style) services to both Leeds Train Station & Bradford Interchange along with introducing new service to the city of York. It goes onto mention that the airport will continue to fund the 4 current local stopping services to Keighley, Bradford, Harrogate and Leeds.
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Post by joseph on Jul 29, 2020 6:51:19 GMT 1
I wonder with this Coastliner registration if they are planning on interworking with what ever route York depot does from Harrogate? It's about the only other logical reason I can think of. The 22/23 from Knaresborough? Ah, just checked and it can't be those, obviously since I last heard of them they've been cut back or changed to run from Knaresborough rather than Harrogate. Mind you that doesn't stop the 21/22 being extended to Harrogate with the allowance for short notice registrations currently, but it wouldn't half lead to a long, and potentially late journey with regards to the 22, it'd be the longest journey the airport has ever seen lol.
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Post by dlspotter on Jul 29, 2020 10:30:29 GMT 1
The 22/23 from Knaresborough? Ah, just checked and it can't be those, obviously since I last heard of them they've been cut back or changed to run from Knaresborough rather than Harrogate. Mind you that doesn't stop the 21/22 being extended to Harrogate with the allowance for short notice registrations currently, but it wouldn't half lead to a long, and potentially late journey with regards to the 22, it'd be the longest journey the airport has ever seen lol. Transdev started the 8 with the sole purpose to avoid Harrogate. Plus, with those buses taking 1h30+ from Knaresborough to York it would be offputting to tourists.
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Post by Burnside on Jul 29, 2020 14:24:12 GMT 1
A1-3 instead of the logical 737, 747 and 757? Another instance of change for changes sake, rather than a need for it? I can see why companies use 737/747/757, but I'm not sure you'd call it logical. Plenty of airports are served by "A" routes. It's 15 years since production of the 757 finished, with the 747 being wound down now. How about routes 330, 350 and 380? As someone who knows very little about planes, i certainly wouldn't associate 330, 350 and 380 with them, but most people would recognise 737 and 747 at least as Boeing jets. As for changing them to A1-3, i'm actually surprised they didn't drop the number altogether and just have each route as a brand (757 could become Airbus White (linked in to Leeds being associated with the White Rose, 737 could become Airbus Claret (one of the colours of Bradford City's kit) or Blue given the city's use of that colour for it's buses in the past and 747 could be Airbus Red given Harrogate's link with WYRCC as an example).
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Post by leeds rider on Jul 29, 2020 15:38:25 GMT 1
I can see why companies use 737/747/757, but I'm not sure you'd call it logical. Plenty of airports are served by "A" routes. It's 15 years since production of the 757 finished, with the 747 being wound down now. How about routes 330, 350 and 380? As someone who knows very little about planes, i certainly wouldn't associate 330, 350 and 380 with them, but most people would recognise 737 and 747 at least as Boeing jets. As for changing them to A1-3, i'm actually surprised they didn't drop the number altogether and just have each route as a brand (757 could become Airbus White (linked in to Leeds being associated with the White Rose, 737 could become Airbus Claret (one of the colours of Bradford City's kit) or Blue given the city's use of that colour for it's buses in the past and 747 could be Airbus Red given Harrogate's link with WYRCC as an example). Airbus to the Airbus, anyone??!
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Post by dlspotter on Jul 29, 2020 16:02:13 GMT 1
As someone who knows very little about planes, i certainly wouldn't associate 330, 350 and 380 with them, but most people would recognise 737 and 747 at least as Boeing jets. As for changing them to A1-3, i'm actually surprised they didn't drop the number altogether and just have each route as a brand (757 could become Airbus White (linked in to Leeds being associated with the White Rose, 737 could become Airbus Claret (one of the colours of Bradford City's kit) or Blue given the city's use of that colour for it's buses in the past and 747 could be Airbus Red given Harrogate's link with WYRCC as an example). Airbus to the Airbus, anyone??! If only BA hadn't pulled out of Leeds, there aren't any airbus operators at leeds anymore
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Post by nic on Jul 29, 2020 16:28:57 GMT 1
I can see why companies use 737/747/757, but I'm not sure you'd call it logical. Plenty of airports are served by "A" routes. It's 15 years since production of the 757 finished, with the 747 being wound down now. How about routes 330, 350 and 380? As someone who knows very little about planes, i certainly wouldn't associate 330, 350 and 380 with them, but most people would recognise 737 and 747 at least as Boeing jets. As for changing them to A1-3, i'm actually surprised they didn't drop the number altogether and just have each route as a brand (757 could become Airbus White (linked in to Leeds being associated with the White Rose, 737 could become Airbus Claret (one of the colours of Bradford City's kit) or Blue given the city's use of that colour for it's buses in the past and 747 could be Airbus Red given Harrogate's link with WYRCC as an example). Would that not then require individual branded buses for the said routes? I like the A1-3 identity, as someone previously has said the "A" for airpot prefix is used in many of airport routes around the country. I'm also thinking it is now a complete loss of previous problems/pre convinced opinion about the 7x7 routes. I am hoping that they are able to grow the routes too, despite the obvious downturn in the aviation industry, i'm hoping transdev can give it a good go on the Kirkstall Corridor.
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Post by Burnside on Jul 29, 2020 20:34:51 GMT 1
Not necessarily.
Just have 'Airbus White' in place of the service number on the destination display.
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Post by SCH117X on Jul 29, 2020 21:19:15 GMT 1
Suspect they will go for a coastliner like route map on the rear of the vehicles showing the different routes.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 29, 2020 21:28:20 GMT 1
Yes, you don't have specific route branding separately for each of the Bronte B's, Mainline M's, Rochdale R's etc
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Post by neukit on Jul 29, 2020 22:38:48 GMT 1
I wonder with this Coastliner registration if they are planning on interworking with what ever route York depot does from Harrogate? It's about the only other logical reason I can think of. Why on earth would they want/need to interwork them with any route(s) operated out of York depot? If they had used the Keighley or Harrogate O licence, would you think they’d interwork with services from those depots?
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Post by joseph on Jul 30, 2020 7:17:54 GMT 1
I wonder with this Coastliner registration if they are planning on interworking with what ever route York depot does from Harrogate? It's about the only other logical reason I can think of. Why on earth would they want/need to interwork them with any route(s) operated out of York depot? If they had used the Keighley or Harrogate O licence, would you think they’d interwork with services from those depots? Well no offence but how was I supposed to know the Keighley and Harrogate licences were full? You would think it'd be the other way round and the Coastliner one was full, so just assumed there was another reason behind it. Besides, stranger things have happened, such as extending the 62 to the Airport or a bus service between Leeds and Manchester.
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Post by deerfold on Jul 30, 2020 10:24:21 GMT 1
Why on earth would they want/need to interwork them with any route(s) operated out of York depot? If they had used the Keighley or Harrogate O licence, would you think they’d interwork with services from those depots? Well no offence but how was I supposed to know the Keighley and Harrogate licences were full? No-one suggested you should have known that.
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Post by andyk4050 on Jul 30, 2020 10:55:05 GMT 1
Apparently theres plans for a route from York to Airport in the future but don't know when
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Post by stephen01 on Jul 30, 2020 10:59:19 GMT 1
Why on earth would they want/need to interwork them with any route(s) operated out of York depot? If they had used the Keighley or Harrogate O licence, would you think they’d interwork with services from those depots? Well no offence but how was I supposed to know the Keighley and Harrogate licences were full? You would think it'd be the other way round and the Coastliner one was full, so just assumed there was another reason behind it. Besides, stranger things have happened, such as extending the 62 to the Airport or a bus service between Leeds and Manchester. the 62's extension was welcomed by LBIA because it replaced the 967 as well as provding a connection for passengers from Keighley. The airport have also said they are looking to introduce a bus link York with WYCA but that would be better of running as a direct express service.
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Post by jdodger08 on Jul 30, 2020 14:06:55 GMT 1
A quick look in Google Maps says the most direct route from the airport to York takes 53 minutes via a59 and a658. I don't see this "express" service being very popular myself, so I added a stop in Harrogate considering it is close to this route, and that says 1 hour and 9 minutes. maps.app.goo.gl/LgAVeKRDHaY8ebJu8
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Post by dlspotter on Jul 30, 2020 16:22:04 GMT 1
A quick look in Google Maps says the most direct route from the airport to York takes 53 minutes via a59 and a658. I don't see this "express" service being very popular myself, so I added a stop in Harrogate considering it is close to this route, and that says 1 hour and 9 minutes. maps.app.goo.gl/LgAVeKRDHaY8ebJu8If it were to stop in Harrogate then the A2 (now 747) would likely be reduced. I can't see there being demand for a service to York from LBA, but I'm sure Transdev would like the idea of a nonstop from York to Harrogate. I can imagine it being a case of the route might be timed around the arrival times of certain flights, or some journeys would operate just York to Harrogate; but I imagine a York route is years off, but at least Transdev taking over the services has accelerated it somewhat.
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Post by leeds rider on Jul 30, 2020 16:42:07 GMT 1
A quick look in Google Maps says the most direct route from the airport to York takes 53 minutes via a59 and a658. I don't see this "express" service being very popular myself, so I added a stop in Harrogate considering it is close to this route, and that says 1 hour and 9 minutes. maps.app.goo.gl/LgAVeKRDHaY8ebJu8If it were to stop in Harrogate then the A2 (now 747) would likely be reduced. I can't see there being demand for a service to York from LBA, but I'm sure Transdev would like the idea of a nonstop from York to Harrogate. I can imagine it being a case of the route might be timed around the arrival times of certain flights, or some journeys would operate just York to Harrogate; but I imagine a York route is years off, but at least Transdev taking over the services has accelerated it somewhat. There was a York-Airport service for a while a few years ago - I don't remember much about it, except I'm pretty sure it took the route suggested by jdodger08 with stops in (at least) Knaresborough and Harrogate.
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Post by SCH117X on Jul 30, 2020 16:56:02 GMT 1
The York-Airport service First ran originally operated via the B1224 and A659 and was later changed to run via the A59 and A658. It did run into the fringes of Knaresborough to serve St James Retail Park but it never operated through Harrogate, congestion on the A59 between Knaresborough and Harrogate including Starbeck level crossing would have made such a service unreliable
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 30, 2020 17:28:22 GMT 1
It’s been said that a York service would be a green requirement to get the planning permission passed for the new terminal, so it doesn’t matter if there will be any demand or not
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Post by stevieinselby on Jul 30, 2020 19:00:03 GMT 1
A quick look in Google Maps says the most direct route from the airport to York takes 53 minutes via a59 and a658. I don't see this "express" service being very popular myself, so I added a stop in Harrogate considering it is close to this route, and that says 1 hour and 9 minutes. maps.app.goo.gl/LgAVeKRDHaY8ebJu8Round and round the wheel goes, where will it stop, nobody knows... First York launched the AirCoach in 2007, running between York railway station and Leeds-Bradford Airport every hour, with the only intermediate stop at Bickerton Lane End. The service used coaches and was scheduled for a 55 minute journey time (3 vehicles required). From 2008, it ran via A59, Knaresborough St James and A658, with buses running every 70 minutes and still schedule to take 55 minutes (2 vehicles required). It was also downgraded from coaches to standard B7RLEs. Initially it was numbered 120 but then changed to 787 to fit with the numbering pattern for other LBIA buses, and then finally withdrawn in about May 2009.
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Post by humberside on Jul 30, 2020 21:34:16 GMT 1
Airbus to the Airbus, anyone??! If only BA hadn't pulled out of Leeds, there aren't any airbus operators at leeds anymore There will be BH Air when they resume next year
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Jul 31, 2020 7:57:53 GMT 1
If it were to stop in Harrogate then the A2 (now 747) would likely be reduced. I can't see there being demand for a service to York from LBA, but I'm sure Transdev would like the idea of a nonstop from York to Harrogate. I can imagine it being a case of the route might be timed around the arrival times of certain flights, or some journeys would operate just York to Harrogate; but I imagine a York route is years off, but at least Transdev taking over the services has accelerated it somewhat. There was a York-Airport service for a while a few years ago - I don't remember much about it, except I'm pretty sure it took the route suggested by jdodger08 with stops in (at least) Knaresborough and Harrogate. There was a proposal when Centrebus were running the airport routes, that got quite advanced, to extend the 747 from Harrogate through Knaresborough to York on a 2-hourly frequency but in the end it never went ahead. I got the impression there was a concern about whether demand/support was sufficient/available and the ability to support from a depot in Leeds for a relatively low-cost operator. The latter issue would be less of a problem for Transdev with depots at Idle, Harrogate & York to provide engineering support and replacement vehicles in case of an issue and if the airport is required to support/provide such a link there is likely to be stronger financial support to establish such a route.
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Post by stevieinselby on Jul 31, 2020 8:37:16 GMT 1
There was a proposal when Centrebus were running the airport routes, that got quite advanced, to extend the 747 from Harrogate through Knaresborough to York on a 2-hourly frequency but in the end it never went ahead. I got the impression there was a concern about whether demand/support was sufficient/available and the ability to support from a depot in Leeds for a relatively low-cost operator. The latter issue would be less of a problem for Transdev with depots at Idle, Harrogate & York to provide engineering support and replacement vehicles in case of an issue and if the airport is required to support/provide such a link there is likely to be stronger financial support to establish such a route. If they are looking at extending the 747 (or A-whatever) from Harrogate through to York then the journey time from York to the airport will be at least 90 minutes, based on the timings of the old X54, which is not going to be attractive for passengers. They would do better to improve as promote rail-bus connections at Harrogate so that the existing bus connects with trains to/from York and offer through tickets. While it is unlikely to be any quicker than the 1h15 journey already available by getting the train to Leeds and then the 757, it could compete on price as trains to Harrogate are a lot cheaper than trains to Leeds.
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