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Post by northrob on Mar 18, 2019 20:30:08 GMT 1
A few further alterations due for York towards the end of April (and one for early May): 21/4/2019 822 Arriva Dalesbus: summer Sundays & Bank Holidays 28/4/2019 1 First Minor timetable change 28/4/2019 4 First Minor timetable change 28/4/2019 5/5A First Minor timetable change 28/4/2019 42 Arriva Change of operator from Transdev 28/4/2019 747 EYMS Minor timetable change 29/4/2019 HSB First New Mon-Fri service between Rawcliffe Bar and York Hospital 3/5/2019 M8 Reliance Moorsbus: summer Fridays & Saturdays More info on the HSB: www.firstgroup.com/york/news-and-service-updates/news/new-hospital-bus-service-launch-york"We’re delighted to announce that a new bus service, operated by First York on behalf of York Hospital, will launch on Monday 29 April providing connections between Rawcliffe Bar Park & Ride and the Hospital. The dedicated park and ride bus service is being delivered in partnership between York Hospital, City of York Council and First York and is made possible thanks to the generosity of donors and supporters from the York Teaching Hospital Charity. The introduction of the service follows an approach from the hospital to help reduce the number of cars travelling to and from the hospital thereby easing congestion & improving air quality by providing a viable alternative to parking at the hospital. The new service has been designed to operate at convenient times around staff shift patterns and peak visiting hours. The frequent and fast service will provide connections every 20 minutes from 06:00 until 20:10, Monday to Friday with adult return tickets costing £3.20 and reduced fares for NHS staff who have valid ID. In addition, a new dedicated bus stop is being created on the grounds of the hospital, meaning it’s only a few short steps from the bus into the main hospital reception. We are proud to provide services on the existing Park & Ride and we’re confident that this new service will prove to be just as popular with hospital staff, visitors and patients."
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Post by jc on Mar 19, 2019 0:11:28 GMT 1
A few further alterations due for York towards the end of April (and one for early May): 21/4/2019 822 Arriva Dalesbus: summer Sundays & Bank Holidays 28/4/2019 1 First Minor timetable change 28/4/2019 4 First Minor timetable change 28/4/2019 5/5A First Minor timetable change 28/4/2019 42 Arriva Change of operator from Transdev 28/4/2019 747 EYMS Minor timetable change 29/4/2019 HSB First New Mon-Fri service between Rawcliffe Bar and York Hospital 3/5/2019 M8 Reliance Moorsbus: summer Fridays & Saturdays More info on the HSB: www.firstgroup.com/york/news-and-service-updates/news/new-hospital-bus-service-launch-york"We’re delighted to announce that a new bus service, operated by First York on behalf of York Hospital, will launch on Monday 29 April providing connections between Rawcliffe Bar Park & Ride and the Hospital. The dedicated park and ride bus service is being delivered in partnership between York Hospital, City of York Council and First York and is made possible thanks to the generosity of donors and supporters from the York Teaching Hospital Charity. The introduction of the service follows an approach from the hospital to help reduce the number of cars travelling to and from the hospital thereby easing congestion & improving air quality by providing a viable alternative to parking at the hospital. The new service has been designed to operate at convenient times around staff shift patterns and peak visiting hours. The frequent and fast service will provide connections every 20 minutes from 06:00 until 20:10, Monday to Friday with adult return tickets costing £3.20 and reduced fares for NHS staff who have valid ID. In addition, a new dedicated bus stop is being created on the grounds of the hospital, meaning it’s only a few short steps from the bus into the main hospital reception. We are proud to provide services on the existing Park & Ride and we’re confident that this new service will prove to be just as popular with hospital staff, visitors and patients." This one could also be a useful link from Clifton Moor, but since targeted at drivers from the north traffic congestion on the A1237 might be it's achilles heel if the alternative is to use Wigginton Road. It's a pity the Clifton Moor P&R didn't come to fruition. As regards having a bus stop in the hospital grounds to combat congestion, I'd think rerouting the 7 to terminate there would be a quick win.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Mar 19, 2019 15:42:45 GMT 1
Will there been any service on weekends because there only mention of it running Mon-Fri.
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Post by mark51953 on Mar 20, 2019 9:27:55 GMT 1
A few further alterations due for York towards the end of April (and one for early May): 21/4/2019 822 Arriva Dalesbus: summer Sundays & Bank Holidays 28/4/2019 1 First Minor timetable change 28/4/2019 4 First Minor timetable change 28/4/2019 5/5A First Minor timetable change 28/4/2019 42 Arriva Change of operator from Transdev 28/4/2019 747 EYMS Minor timetable change 29/4/2019 HSB First New Mon-Fri service between Rawcliffe Bar and York Hospital 3/5/2019 M8 Reliance Moorsbus: summer Fridays & Saturdays More info on the HSB: www.firstgroup.com/york/news-and-service-updates/news/new-hospital-bus-service-launch-york"We’re delighted to announce that a new bus service, operated by First York on behalf of York Hospital, will launch on Monday 29 April providing connections between Rawcliffe Bar Park & Ride and the Hospital. The dedicated park and ride bus service is being delivered in partnership between York Hospital, City of York Council and First York and is made possible thanks to the generosity of donors and supporters from the York Teaching Hospital Charity. The introduction of the service follows an approach from the hospital to help reduce the number of cars travelling to and from the hospital thereby easing congestion & improving air quality by providing a viable alternative to parking at the hospital. The new service has been designed to operate at convenient times around staff shift patterns and peak visiting hours. The frequent and fast service will provide connections every 20 minutes from 06:00 until 20:10, Monday to Friday with adult return tickets costing £3.20 and reduced fares for NHS staff who have valid ID. In addition, a new dedicated bus stop is being created on the grounds of the hospital, meaning it’s only a few short steps from the bus into the main hospital reception. We are proud to provide services on the existing Park & Ride and we’re confident that this new service will prove to be just as popular with hospital staff, visitors and patients." This one could also be a useful link from Clifton Moor, but since targeted at drivers from the north traffic congestion on the A1237 might be it's achilles heel if the alternative is to use Wigginton Road. It's a pity the Clifton Moor P&R didn't come to fruition. As regards having a bus stop in the hospital grounds to combat congestion, I'd think rerouting the 7 to terminate there would be a quick win. Why reroute the 7 as it don’t go anywhere near the hospital ??
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Post by jc on Mar 20, 2019 19:38:34 GMT 1
Why reroute the 7 as it don’t go anywhere near the hospital ?? Because I forgot that Barbican Road was a shortcut for drivers between Fulford Road and Foss Islands Road... Thought process was that the 7 is the only P&R route which would provide a reasonably direct route to the hospital from the other side of town for drivers without having to run a parallel service (the 3 would probably be the best contender here at the expense of Coppergate area but I assume the NHS have determined that most staff drive in from the north) plus it stops en route in a reasonably densely populated area to try and maximise door to door journeys. By the same token you could argue people in Southbank who currently walk into town would get a direct bus to the hospital were it available.
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 20, 2019 19:48:54 GMT 1
Why reroute the 7 as it don’t go anywhere near the hospital ?? Because I forgot that Barbican Road was a shortcut for drivers between Fulford Road and Foss Islands Road... Thought process was that the 7 is the only P&R route which would provide a reasonably direct route to the hospital from the other side of town for drivers without having to run a parallel service (the 3 would probably be the best contender here at the expense of Coppergate area but I assume the NHS have determined that most staff drive in from the north) plus it stops en route in a reasonably densely populated area to try and maximise door to door journeys. By the same token you could argue people in Southbank who currently walk into town would get a direct bus to the hospital were it available. I assume that the rationale for running from Rawcliffe Bar is that they want it to be a dedicated bus for the hospital and not get clogged up with passengers going into town or snarled up in city centre traffic. So from that point of view, it really has to run from Rawcliffe Bar, as giving it the best chance of a reasonable journey. Visitors who can't sensibly get to Rawcliffe Bar can either get a P&R bus into the city centre and walk, or change to a 6 (or 1/5 with a short walk). Interesting that you mention South Bank – years ago, there was a direct bus from South Bank to the Hospital on the Y11, but that was canned in the early 2000s, partly as a result of the hospital disallowing buses onto the site.
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Post by jc on Mar 21, 2019 0:12:10 GMT 1
Because I forgot that Barbican Road was a shortcut for drivers between Fulford Road and Foss Islands Road... Thought process was that the 7 is the only P&R route which would provide a reasonably direct route to the hospital from the other side of town for drivers without having to run a parallel service (the 3 would probably be the best contender here at the expense of Coppergate area but I assume the NHS have determined that most staff drive in from the north) plus it stops en route in a reasonably densely populated area to try and maximise door to door journeys. By the same token you could argue people in Southbank who currently walk into town would get a direct bus to the hospital were it available. I assume that the rationale for running from Rawcliffe Bar is that they want it to be a dedicated bus for the hospital and not get clogged up with passengers going into town or snarled up in city centre traffic. So from that point of view, it really has to run from Rawcliffe Bar, as giving it the best chance of a reasonable journey. Visitors who can't sensibly get to Rawcliffe Bar can either get a P&R bus into the city centre and walk, or change to a 6 (or 1/5 with a short walk). Interesting that you mention South Bank – years ago, there was a direct bus from South Bank to the Hospital on the Y11, but that was canned in the early 2000s, partly as a result of the hospital disallowing buses onto the site. Sadly the traffic on Clifton Moor can be stationary from the ring road up Clifton Moorgate in the peak aswell. The detours on the 6 can be a time advantage, in that the bus can muscle its way into a queue it would otherwise join the end of e.g. from Burton Stone Lane to Crichton Ave. Also at what point would someone who chooses not to drive through town typically do so anyway - I'd suggest when they have to subsequently change buses.
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Post by northrob on Mar 21, 2019 19:07:37 GMT 1
And another change due in York at the end of April from Reliance: twitter.com/i/web/status/1108780089938972673Timetable News We are delighted to announce that we will be taking over the running of the 31X, York to Helmsley service, from 29th April 2019. Revised timetables will be issued for the 29, 30 and 31X. More information to follow in the coming days...
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Post by jc on Mar 21, 2019 20:47:00 GMT 1
And another change due in York at the end of April from Reliance: twitter.com/i/web/status/1108780089938972673Timetable News We are delighted to announce that we will be taking over the running of the 31X, York to Helmsley service, from 29th April 2019. Revised timetables will be issued for the 29, 30 and 31X. More information to follow in the coming days... Great news. Hopefully we'll see an integrated 30 min frequency from York to Easingwold via Shipton.
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 21, 2019 20:51:18 GMT 1
There are new timetable registrations for the 22 and 23 on VOSA today by Transdev so they are at least keeping those along with the 181.
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Post by stevieinselby on Mar 21, 2019 22:04:28 GMT 1
There are new timetable registrations for the 22 and 23 on VOSA today by Transdev so they are at least keeping those along with the 181. They are keeping the 22/23, but it is being cut back to run to Knaresborough – the section between Harrogate and Knaresborough via Calcutt will be run as part of new route 8, which continues beyond Knaresborough to Wetherby, replacing the NYCC service over that section. I don't know whether the shorter route on the 22/23 will allow them to make any efficiencies, but at the moment I'm not seeing any way that it could.
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 22, 2019 18:49:11 GMT 1
At a guess the 8 will be worked by Versas returned from York as no longer needed due to the 31X going to Reliance.
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 22, 2019 19:27:06 GMT 1
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Post by SCH117X on Mar 29, 2019 21:39:43 GMT 1
Transdev Harrogate have published the new timetables for the 2A 2B 6 X6 24 and 36 accessible from the link in the above posting
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Post by SF07 on Mar 31, 2019 15:03:07 GMT 1
Metro have posted April changes on their website (some changes previously mentioned). These changes are on the 27/28/29 April unless stated: - 7 (Transdev Harrogate): Weekday times changed
- 8 (Transdev Harrogate): New service introduced between Harrogate and Wetherby via Knaresborough
- 28/28C (Stagecoach): Times changed with Monday-Saturday daytime journeys no longer serving Purston Jaglin
- 36 (Transdev Harrogate): Weekday afternoon times changed
- 59/59A (Stagecoach): Times changed
- 74 (Arriva): New summer DalesBus service running one return journey on Saturdays between Wakefield and Ilkley via Bradford and Shipley from 20 April
- 592 (First): The summer Sunday journeys between Halifax and Hebden Bridge will not be introduced in 2019
- 812 (Transdev Keighley): Summer DalesBus timetable introduced running between Keighley and Scar House via Otley and Pateley Bridge from 21 April
- 825 (Arriva): Summer Sunday service introduced running between Harrogate and Selby via Wetherby and Tadcaster from 21 April
- 862 (Transdev Keighley): Summer Sunday service introduced running between Keighley and Ilkley via Silsden from 21 April
- 873 (Arriva/Transdev Keighley): Summer DalesBus timetable introduced running between Ilkley and Malham via Bolton Abbey and Skipton from 21 April
- 874 (Arriva): Summer DalesBus timetable introduced running between Wakefield and Ilkley via Leeds from 21 April
- 875 (Arriva): Summer DalesBus timetable introduced running between Wakefield and Buckden via Leeds, Ilkley, Bolton Abbey, Grassington and Kettlewell from 21 April
- 884 (Arriva): Summer DalesBus timetable introduced running between Dewsbury and Malham via Bradford, Ilkley and Skipton from 21 April
- X26/X27 (First): Route and times changed with service X27 re-routed via the new Manston Link Road from 7 April
- X70 (Connexionsbuses): Times changed
www.wymetro.com/media/4468/public-transport-changes-ct116-02.pdf
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Post by northrob on Apr 2, 2019 18:18:24 GMT 1
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 2, 2019 18:19:12 GMT 1
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Post by jc on Apr 2, 2019 19:30:12 GMT 1
Why are Transdev severing a direct link for all villages north of Knaresborough to Harrogate, to relieve NYCC of the 780?
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 2, 2019 21:47:57 GMT 1
Why are Transdev severing a direct link for all villages north of Knaresborough to Harrogate, to relieve NYCC of the 780? Well it does revert the 780 to being a proper bus instead of a minibus typically without any clear or proper destination display and presumably working the 57 (as the 21) truncated from/to Knaresborough with passengers for Harrogate transferring to the Route 1 has worked out okay. Remember if Transdev has not stepped in on the 142 (now 22/23) NYCC were going to run that with minibuses terminating at Poppleton Park & Ride site which is hardly a key centre like Knaresborough. What is more disappointing IMO is they have not sought to improve the "Back route" between Harrogate and Knaresborough - an am peak working to Harrogate would be a good start, to balance the pm peak working.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 2, 2019 22:14:40 GMT 1
Looking at the timings, I’m guessing the 8 will be run in between schools, possibly with a decker.
I’m guessing that extra afternoon 36 will run off schools as well.
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Post by jc on Apr 3, 2019 0:06:07 GMT 1
Why are Transdev severing a direct link for all villages north of Knaresborough to Harrogate, to relieve NYCC of the 780? Well it does revert the 780 to being a proper bus instead of a minibus typically without any clear or proper destination display and presumably working the 57 (as the 21) truncated from/to Knaresborough with passengers for Harrogate transferring to the Route 1 has worked out okay. Remember if Transdev has not stepped in on the 142 (now 22/23) NYCC were going to run that with minibuses terminating at Poppleton Park & Ride site which is hardly a key centre like Knaresborough. What is more disappointing IMO is they have not sought to improve the "Back route" between Harrogate and Knaresborough - an am peak working to Harrogate would be a good start, to balance the pm peak working. It's interesting that the 1 is timetabled to take 20 minutes Knaresborough to Harrogate and the 8 supposedly takes 23 mins. Given they could take a more direct (though not necessarily quicker) route into Harrogate via Wetherby Road, they could incorporate the Crossways route into the 1 by rerouting every other 1C that way so the 1A/B/C operate a combined 10 min frequency... But obviously then need to launch an additional 30 min frequency route via Starbeck to avoid handing custom to Connexions...
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Post by chas on Apr 3, 2019 14:23:34 GMT 1
Well it does revert the 780 to being a proper bus instead of a minibus typically without any clear or proper destination display and presumably working the 57 (as the 21) truncated from/to Knaresborough with passengers for Harrogate transferring to the Route 1 has worked out okay. Remember if Transdev has not stepped in on the 142 (now 22/23) NYCC were going to run that with minibuses terminating at Poppleton Park & Ride site which is hardly a key centre like Knaresborough. What is more disappointing IMO is they have not sought to improve the "Back route" between Harrogate and Knaresborough - an am peak working to Harrogate would be a good start, to balance the pm peak working. It's interesting that the 1 is timetabled to take 20 minutes Knaresborough to Harrogate and the 8 supposedly takes 23 mins. Given they could take a more direct (though not necessarily quicker) route into Harrogate via Wetherby Road, they could incorporate the Crossways route into the 1 by rerouting every other 1C that way so the 1A/B/C operate a combined 10 min frequency... But obviously then need to launch an additional 30 min frequency route via Starbeck to avoid handing custom to Connexions... Given that the 8 is to run Wetherby-Knaresborough-Hookstone Chase-Harrogate, replacing the 780 and that bit of the 22/3, running direct via Wetherby Road would replace neither and Knaresborough- Wetherby Road-Harrogate would be longer, slower and duplicate other services instead of providing the only service on Hookstone Chase.
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Post by jc on Apr 3, 2019 18:41:25 GMT 1
It's interesting that the 1 is timetabled to take 20 minutes Knaresborough to Harrogate and the 8 supposedly takes 23 mins. Given they could take a more direct (though not necessarily quicker) route into Harrogate via Wetherby Road, they could incorporate the Crossways route into the 1 by rerouting every other 1C that way so the 1A/B/C operate a combined 10 min frequency... But obviously then need to launch an additional 30 min frequency route via Starbeck to avoid handing custom to Connexions... Given that the 8 is to run Wetherby-Knaresborough-Hookstone Chase-Harrogate, replacing the 780 and that bit of the 22/3, running direct via Wetherby Road would replace neither and Knaresborough- Wetherby Road-Harrogate would be longer, slower and duplicate other services instead of providing the only service on Hookstone Chase. Sorry, I didn't explain and probably over thinking it. To try and give the best chance of success for a regular service via Hookstone Chase, I figured you would need to provide a direct service to the businesses there for as much of the the local population as possible without too much disruption to existing service pattern. What I was trying to describe would be something like: 1A: current route/frequency 1B: current route/frequency 1C: current route, every 30 mins 1D? 8?: Harrogate-Hookstone Chase-Knaresborough-Carmires, every 30 mins timed 15 mins apart from 1C (dependent on interworking at Harrogate) 780: current route By "via Wetherby Road" I meant from Harrogate Bus station to Hookstone chase as opposed to via Hornbeam Park.
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Post by kommie123 on Apr 3, 2019 20:03:26 GMT 1
X27 going via Manston Lane link Road from 7th April??? That'll be news to the construction workers. Its 18th April when I understand it opens.
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 3, 2019 20:41:58 GMT 1
Looking at the timings, I’m guessing the 8 will be run in between schools, possibly with a decker. They could on that basis have run a c.0730 from Crossways to Harrogate using the decker that starts a school service at 0801 from The Hydro (Ripon Road northbound)
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