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Post by Dom on Nov 25, 2018 0:31:44 GMT 1
FWY 33878 on the 12 earlier this afternoon! Michael Windle I’ve taken one on Dewsbury Roads before!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 14:09:35 GMT 1
It seems the next batch of Streetdecks are hitting the roads intended for services along routes 12 and 13 but inexplicably have branding inside for routes along the Otley Road corridor, you really couldn’t make it up!
The level of incompetence is truly breathtaking!
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Post by kendall17 on Nov 26, 2018 17:05:06 GMT 1
It seems the next batch of Streetdecks are hitting the roads intended for services along routes 12 and 13 but inexplicably have branding inside for routes along the Otley Road corridor, you really couldn’t make it up! The level of incompetence is truly breathtaking! 😂😂 you must be outraged.
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Post by twansport on Nov 26, 2018 17:28:32 GMT 1
Sightings in Leeds
35266 (the pink one) on a 4 heading towards Seacroft. 37085 (X63 branding) on the 1623 X11
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Post by sharksmith on Nov 26, 2018 17:34:09 GMT 1
It seems the next batch of Streetdecks are hitting the roads intended for services along routes 12 and 13 but inexplicably have branding inside for routes along the Otley Road corridor, you really couldn’t make it up! The level of incompetence is truly breathtaking! Doesn't take my breath away to be honest, I'm used to seeing a Sapphire on the 444, A Knaresbrough Rds on the 7, a Frequento on the X62 etc etc. As usual with all misallocations I'm sure the passengers don't care, I wouldn't be bothered if a Shuttle arrived instead if my Airline as long as my bus arrives on time. Maybe a bus has been rushed into service due to breakdown, maybe the person who brands buses is off sick, doesn't seem like the definition of incompetence that I know. Anyway, blue top 35520 has just left Leeds on the 2 to Roundhay.
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Post by Marcus on Nov 26, 2018 17:35:51 GMT 1
It seems the next batch of Streetdecks are hitting the roads intended for services along routes 12 and 13 but inexplicably have branding inside for routes along the Otley Road corridor, you really couldn’t make it up! The level of incompetence is truly breathtaking! Meanwhile a Holme Valley Connect B9 which is branded for the 310/314/316/324 is on the 372! First should be shut down immediately. This level of ridiculousness is absolutely atrocious and can not be tolerated any longer.
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Post by sharksmith on Nov 26, 2018 17:48:23 GMT 1
It seems the next batch of Streetdecks are hitting the roads intended for services along routes 12 and 13 but inexplicably have branding inside for routes along the Otley Road corridor, you really couldn’t make it up! The level of incompetence is truly breathtaking! Meanwhile a Holme Valley Connect B9 which is branded for the 310/314/316/324 is on the 372! First should be shut down immediately. This level of ridiculousness is absolutely atrocious and can not be tolerated any longer. I honestly can't be sure if folk are being serious or not any more on this forum but if not LOL!
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Post by ratty on Nov 26, 2018 19:09:36 GMT 1
Yup Sharksmith, much the same with myself. What I will say, and probably cause a major man made disaster on here is... The thing that passengers NEED to look out for (and don't neccesarily do!!) is what is displayed on the front, side and rear, and that is the destination display. It really is not important in the whole scale of things, whether the bus is Olympia, Barbie or sky blue green with yellow dots on it turns up, or not, with the details of where it is going, 99% of the time. I was once talking to a Stagecoach Manager about buses being branded for the 61 and 68 to Blackpool, and he pulled me up, and told me that although 'branded' and would ordinarily be on those routes, they treat the branding as advertising their services, so could be seen anywhere. With reference to the blue Streetdecks, I presume that they are all not in Leeds yet, which could go some way to explaining their misallocation, and once all there will be allocated accordingly. Like other people have said, what is better, a bus in the wrong colours but with the correct destination details displayed, or simply no bus for you today because all we have are buses in the wrong colour. I know what I would expect if I was a 'normal' passenger waiting in the cold winds of Winter for a bus. What actually quite amuses me, is the number of notes of Hunslet Park/Bramley being short and borrowing buses from the other districts or each other, that have appeared on this site, thus ensuring that output can be achieved, and yet, crime of crimes, the bus has the wrong colour bodyside stripe. Hang the company, incompetent fools, etc etc. I have not lived in West Yorkshire for several years, but have driven through Leeds at different times of the day in recent times, and even with 39 years of experience in the industry, thought to myself, I could not drive a bus here, it must be a nightmare for those who are supposed to control any bus service in Leeds, not just First. In short, at least a bus has turned up, and if First's past record is owt to go by, there will probably be an official launch, and then 'normally' the buses of the correct colour will be on the right routes. Finally, if those who criticise were Managers or Directors in a bus company, the fact that a bus is the wrong colour stripe and it would have to stay in, should not prevent them from sending out that quarter of a million pound bus, and get it earning its keep. Bit of common sense needed from the enthusiast sector as well me thinks.
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Post by rider5521 on Nov 26, 2018 19:35:49 GMT 1
It seems the next batch of Streetdecks are hitting the roads intended for services along routes 12 and 13 but inexplicably have branding inside for routes along the Otley Road corridor, you really couldn’t make it up! The level of incompetence is truly breathtaking! Meanwhile a Holme Valley Connect B9 which is branded for the 310/314/316/324 is on the 372! First should be shut down immediately. This level of ridiculousness is absolutely atrocious and can not be tolerated any longer. This board is so funny...trying to work put if this post is tongue in cheek or if the poster is being serious! That's the beauty of good comedy...
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Nov 26, 2018 20:07:59 GMT 1
I don’t know if I was correct but I think I saw streedeck 35215 with a white front blind? I don’t know if I’m going mad Usual misallocations I saw included the occasional single decks on double deck Leeds routes, which these days isn’t a misallocation. In Yorkshire rider days a single would turn up 50% of the time on a double deck route lol.
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Post by rider5521 on Nov 26, 2018 20:47:10 GMT 1
It seems the next batch of Streetdecks are hitting the roads intended for services along routes 12 and 13 but inexplicably have branding inside for routes along the Otley Road corridor, you really couldn’t make it up! The level of incompetence is truly breathtaking! I think a strongly worded letter to the Prime Minister may be needed, the region's bus enthusiasts are suffering with this omnishambles. How can these Managers sleep at night! Flabbergasted, in fact my flabber has never been so gasted!
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Post by rider5521 on Nov 26, 2018 20:59:30 GMT 1
Yup Sharksmith, much the same with myself. What I will say, and probably cause a major man made disaster on here is... The thing that passengers NEED to look out for (and don't neccesarily do!!) is what is displayed on the front, side and rear, and that is the destination display. It really is not important in the whole scale of things, whether the bus is Olympia, Barbie or sky blue green with yellow dots on it turns up, or not, with the details of where it is going, 99% of the time. I was once talking to a Stagecoach Manager about buses being branded for the 61 and 68 to Blackpool, and he pulled me up, and told me that although 'branded' and would ordinarily be on those routes, they treat the branding as advertising their services, so could be seen anywhere. With reference to the blue Streetdecks, I presume that they are all not in Leeds yet, which could go some way to explaining their misallocation, and once all there will be allocated accordingly. Like other people have said, what is better, a bus in the wrong colours but with the correct destination details displayed, or simply no bus for you today because all we have are buses in the wrong colour. I know what I would expect if I was a 'normal' passenger waiting in the cold winds of Winter for a bus. What actually quite amuses me, is the number of notes of Hunslet Park/Bramley being short and borrowing buses from the other districts or each other, that have appeared on this site, thus ensuring that output can be achieved, and yet, crime of crimes, the bus has the wrong colour bodyside stripe. Hang the company, incompetent fools, etc etc. I have not lived in West Yorkshire for several years, but have driven through Leeds at different times of the day in recent times, and even with 39 years of experience in the industry, thought to myself, I could not drive a bus here, it must be a nightmare for those who are supposed to control any bus service in Leeds, not just First. In short, at least a bus has turned up, and if First's past record is owt to go by, there will probably be an official launch, and then 'normally' the buses of the correct colour will be on the right routes. Finally, if those who criticise were Managers or Directors in a bus company, the fact that a bus is the wrong colour stripe and it would have to stay in, should not prevent them from sending out that quarter of a million pound bus, and get it earning its keep. Bit of common sense needed from the enthusiast sector as well me thinks. True, seeing detailing in action over the years, very few would understand the pressure on a morning allocator...200 plus boards to allocate buses and drivers to, driver sickness, breakdowns, unexpected diversions. Some of the Leeds Garages used to book out over 100 buses and drivers in an hour! It's a work of art watching it happen, these output guys ensure thousands of people get to work each morning, we should celebrate their hard work, not focus on the negatives of an odd misallocation.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Nov 26, 2018 21:23:06 GMT 1
The stress job of an allocator. They’ll be some new job roles of Allocators coming up soon from all Operators, purely designed for us Enthusiasts
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Post by cs1 on Nov 26, 2018 21:43:23 GMT 1
The stress job of an allocator. They’ll be some new job roles of Allocators coming up soon from all Operators, purely designed for us Enthusiasts I was a Fleet Controller with First for 10 years running a PVR from anything like 273 up to 306 on a fleet that went up and down from the 350 mark to 307. Apart from all the branded buses and making sure they were stacked so you could get at them any night, you had to factor in quality corridors and partnerships with the PTE and other organisations. When you've committed to a 100% low floor fleet then get 20 or so B7Ls taken off you and in return you get all the T reg Olympians and apart from 5 minor routes you can't allocate them to anything then life can get rather complicated. Especially when you get the Emails listed QP breaches. £30 fine no low floor £30 fine no CCTV £39 fine unable to meet Euro 3 emissions £30 fine no side or rear destinations And so on. Then there was the Scanias and B10Ls that had low floors but no ramps, not DDA compliant either. You have to balance between getting a compliant service out in a morning to the afternoon peak where the shortfall occurs and the engineering managers banging on the door why fit buses are stood in his eyes but are not compliant without using resources to change them over onto routes they can run. Branded buses will always appear on routes other than what they should, think of it as advertising and in most cases a vehicle upgrade on another route.
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Post by The Solo Man on Nov 27, 2018 19:58:20 GMT 1
Surprised no one has done fleet updates for today yet! As of today the following has occurred:
37717 Bramley to Bradford 37504 Bradford to Bramley 37675 Hunslet to Bramley 37677 Hunslet to Bramley 69206 Hunslet to Halifax 69207 Hunslet to Halifax 32465 Bramley to Huddersfield 32470 Bramley to Huddersfield
A number of weeks ago 30907 transferred from Halifax to Bradford for YSB work only.
Halifax 30885 is now at Huddersfield for the rest of this and after Saturday this and 60843 will be withdrawn due to MOT running out.
66745 alongside the other green SDs at Hunslet are due to Halifax
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Post by Jagga on Nov 27, 2018 21:04:26 GMT 1
The stress job of an allocator. They’ll be some new job roles of Allocators coming up soon from all Operators, purely designed for us Enthusiasts I was a Fleet Controller with First for 10 years running a PVR from anything like 273 up to 306 on a fleet that went up and down from the 350 mark to 307. Apart from all the branded buses and making sure they were stacked so you could get at them any night, you had to factor in quality corridors and partnerships with the PTE and other organisations. When you've committed to a 100% low floor fleet then get 20 or so B7Ls taken off you and in return you get all the T reg Olympians and apart from 5 minor routes you can't allocate them to anything then life can get rather complicated. Especially when you get the Emails listed QP breaches. £30 fine no low floor £30 fine no CCTV £39 fine unable to meet Euro 3 emissions £30 fine no side or rear destinations And so on. Then there was the Scanias and B10Ls that had low floors but no ramps, not DDA compliant either. You have to balance between getting a compliant service out in a morning to the afternoon peak where the shortfall occurs and the engineering managers banging on the door why fit buses are stood in his eyes but are not compliant without using resources to change them over onto routes they can run. Branded buses will always appear on routes other than what they should, think of it as advertising and in most cases a vehicle upgrade on another route. Very well put!
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Post by cs1 on Nov 28, 2018 2:32:33 GMT 1
I was a Fleet Controller with First for 10 years running a PVR from anything like 273 up to 306 on a fleet that went up and down from the 350 mark to 307. Apart from all the branded buses and making sure they were stacked so you could get at them any night, you had to factor in quality corridors and partnerships with the PTE and other organisations. When you've committed to a 100% low floor fleet then get 20 or so B7Ls taken off you and in return you get all the T reg Olympians and apart from 5 minor routes you can't allocate them to anything then life can get rather complicated. Especially when you get the Emails listed QP breaches. £30 fine no low floor £30 fine no CCTV £39 fine unable to meet Euro 3 emissions £30 fine no side or rear destinations And so on. Then there was the Scanias and B10Ls that had low floors but no ramps, not DDA compliant either. You have to balance between getting a compliant service out in a morning to the afternoon peak where the shortfall occurs and the engineering managers banging on the door why fit buses are stood in his eyes but are not compliant without using resources to change them over onto routes they can run. Branded buses will always appear on routes other than what they should, think of it as advertising and in most cases a vehicle upgrade on another route. Very well put! Heres one problem not thought about, Back when local opcos had 3 or 4 digit fleetnumbers and you do the depot plan writing down 300+ buses, then you pencil in the locations on the fleetlist and photocopy all 4 pages twice, one for engineering, one for cleaning. Then you book out your buses. Photocopy again, pin a set up on the wall for the drivers (in 2004 it was 7 pages of A4 for big buses and 1 page for minibuses) Then get out a pack of VCR cards and write in the fleet number and running board then slip the card into the running board for the driver to take to the bus and check. So First come along and introduced the 5 digit fleet numbers. Would anyone have a guess how long it took to write down 300+ fleetnumbers 3 times a night and how much pencil leads that took?. Then once all that is done you cross check the book out against the fleetsheet to see you haven't double booked anything or allocated a crock, or even find out which bus it is your missing. These days the plans done the same, then you allocate to a pre made set of sheets then do it all again in what's known as EPM, EP Morris, a computer programme which flags up double booking,wrong allocations, small tanks and route hazards. Small depots can get away with directly allocating via EPM. Big depots end up with lots of A4 sheets pinned to the wall with print so small drivers take the wrong buses.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Nov 29, 2018 15:53:24 GMT 1
One of the ex BoS B7RLES was at Odsal Top today not sure if it was on 508 or NIS
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Post by mcbus123 on Nov 29, 2018 17:27:33 GMT 1
Attachment Deleted69206 was seen on 592 in todmorden bus station some posted it on my Twitter feed this morning
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Post by 66741 on Nov 30, 2018 0:39:42 GMT 1
One of the ex BoS B7RLES was at Odsal Top today not sure if it was on 508 or NIS 69207 on 508s today
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Post by A1YBG on Nov 30, 2018 9:03:36 GMT 1
One of the ex BoS B7RLES was at Odsal Top today not sure if it was on 508 or NIS 69207 on 508s today As can be Seen here
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Post by Jagga on Nov 30, 2018 17:22:02 GMT 1
I saw 69206 on the 549 in Huddersfield today & 32465 on the 373. 30923 was working the 327.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Dec 1, 2018 4:12:10 GMT 1
Heres one problem not thought about, Back when local opcos had 3 or 4 digit fleetnumbers and you do the depot plan writing down 300+ buses, then you pencil in the locations on the fleetlist and photocopy all 4 pages twice, one for engineering, one for cleaning. Then you book out your buses. Photocopy again, pin a set up on the wall for the drivers (in 2004 it was 7 pages of A4 for big buses and 1 page for minibuses) Then get out a pack of VCR cards and write in the fleet number and running board then slip the card into the running board for the driver to take to the bus and check. So First come along and introduced the 5 digit fleet numbers. Would anyone have a guess how long it took to write down 300+ fleetnumbers 3 times a night and how much pencil leads that took?. Then once all that is done you cross check the book out against the fleetsheet to see you haven't double booked anything or allocated a crock, or even find out which bus it is your missing. These days the plans done the same, then you allocate to a pre made set of sheets then do it all again in what's known as EPM, EP Morris, a computer programme which flags up double booking,wrong allocations, small tanks and route hazards. Small depots can get away with directly allocating via EPM. Big depots end up with lots of A4 sheets pinned to the wall with print so small drivers take the wrong buses. We manage to get the entire bramley fleet list on 1 page of A4 ;P
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Dec 1, 2018 4:19:24 GMT 1
Speaking about allocations, at Bramley we have one allocator. He has a diagram of the depot and where each bus is. Certain boards buses cant go on (small tank, no cctv etc) which all must be back before 2000 hrs or before fuel runs out in the case of our B7L fleet. There are several pages of computer print outs of fleet lists with location of vehicle however the allocator at Bramley uses his own A4 sheet of paper which fits the entire fleet list on it. When driver comes to the box with his running board he then writes down the blard number in his fleet list and crosses it off ok the depot plan. Then fills in the computer system generated one once all buses have been allocated. What many bus enthusiasts don't realise is that certain buses may have to be back for inspection so are put in the tea time run-ins it's not so easy as they make it out to be.
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Post by cs1 on Dec 1, 2018 13:50:31 GMT 1
Speaking about allocations, at Bramley we have one allocator. He has a diagram of the depot and where each bus is. Certain boards buses cant go on (small tank, no cctv etc) which all must be back before 2000 hrs or before fuel runs out in the case of our B7L fleet. There are several pages of computer print outs of fleet lists with location of vehicle however the allocator at Bramley uses his own A4 sheet of paper which fits the entire fleet list on it. When driver comes to the box with his running board he then writes down the blard number in his fleet list and crosses it off ok the depot plan. Then fills in the computer system generated one once all buses have been allocated. What many bus enthusiasts don't realise is that certain buses may have to be back for inspection so are put in the tea time run-ins it's not so easy as they make it out to be. An A4 fleetlist is the best way to do it, when the plan was done then the location of the bus would be put in the empty box at the side of the fleetnumber such as TP top park or OP office park, A A-Bay and so on. A red ring denoted a crock, red ink written info such as AMEX am exam or PMST pm steam clean was duplicated on the depot plans so when you booked your buses out you knew what needed to be on part days or in early at teatime etc. The trouble with my depot was because of its size the runouts started at 04:00 and didn't stop till dinnertime at the weekends but the Regulator was only on shift from 00:30 till 08:15 so everything was pre booked out and put on the wall rather than drivers going to the regulator for a bus, this was also necessary because of the amount of computer input required to put the whole book out in EPM. Any changeovers or breakdowns were dealt with by the regulator until he went then depot radio control dealt with it or the engineering foreman including afternoon book outs. In the afternoon it was wise to know where the nearest deckers were on local routes to pull if short for schools.
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