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Post by Arriva Wakefield on May 15, 2018 19:30:52 GMT 1
So looking at the Twitter feed today: "there are no changes planned for 20 May". It would seem that for now, there aren't any enhancements (at least between now and July). The person who tweeted about it has pointed out that in the WYmetro list of changes, it lists "the summer timetable... being introduced". I used the Coastliner on Sunday afternoon and picked up a timetable to check - and they're still giving out the timetables showing enhancements running from late May to September. I can see this causing a lot of irritation... But no doubt, if you ask Transdev this is, like everything else, all "amazing". Interesting point about taxi fares etc for passengers left behind. All X40s I've been on (the 17:00 ex Whitby) have been full, some with standees. If I make a very conservative estimate of 15 passengers that also get the later, last bus - then that's it, guaranteed to leave people behind. The X40 usually then picks up more passengers later on too at Pickering and Kirby Misperton, and rarely does anyone get off before Malton. The ‘Amazing’ timetable that obviously wasn’t proof read, as all the dates for the summer dated services shown are one day out! |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 15, 2018 22:05:00 GMT 1
The dates in the post above at the start of the thread look to be right to me?
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on May 16, 2018 11:31:29 GMT 1
The dates in the post above at the start of the thread look to be right to me? They may have got the dates right for the Bank Holiday ‘flyer’, but look at the timetables available on bus all winter. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 16, 2018 17:33:54 GMT 1
Are they not referring to last year, as the dates were right then.
The current timetable I’ve got doesn’t have any summer enhancements in, maybe there are old ones knocking about on some buses.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on May 17, 2018 7:11:09 GMT 1
Are they not referring to last year, as the dates were right then. The current timetable I’ve got doesn’t have any summer enhancements in, maybe there are old ones knocking about on some buses. When did you get it though. Version 1 didn’t have them in (and misses out the 16:58 Thornton - Tadcaster on weekdays), Version 2 did have them in. So unless theres a version 3 about. |
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Post by SCH117X on May 21, 2018 21:23:05 GMT 1
Some change afoot from 1 July
PB0001873/64 Cancelled (Short notice)
YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD
Route: Malton Bus Station to Filey Bus Station
Service number: 845
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Jul 2018
PB0001873/63 Registered (Short notice)
YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD
Route: Malton Bus Station to Alpamere Waterpark via Scagglethorpe
Service number: 843 (X43)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Jul 2018
PB0001873/62 Registered (Short notice)
YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD
Route: Leeds City Bus Station to York, Rail Station
Service number: 840 (843, 845, X40)
Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Jul 2018
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Post by Marcus on May 21, 2018 21:23:59 GMT 1
Some change afoot from 1 July PB0001873/64 Cancelled (Short notice) YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD Route: Malton Bus Station to Filey Bus Station Service number: 845 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 01 Jul 2018 PB0001873/63 Registered (Short notice) YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD Route: Malton Bus Station to Alpamere Waterpark via Scagglethorpe Service number: 843 (X43) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 01 Jul 2018 PB0001873/62 Registered (Short notice) YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD Route: Leeds City Bus Station to York, Rail Station Service number: 840 (843, 845, X40) Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping Effective date: 01 Jul 2018 X43, is that new? |
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Post by neukit on May 21, 2018 23:08:58 GMT 1
Some change afoot from 1 July PB0001873/64 Cancelled (Short notice) YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD Route: Malton Bus Station to Filey Bus Station Service number: 845 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 01 Jul 2018 PB0001873/63 Registered (Short notice) YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD Route: Malton Bus Station to Alpamere Waterpark via Scagglethorpe Service number: 843 (X43) Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 01 Jul 2018 PB0001873/62 Registered (Short notice) YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD Route: Leeds City Bus Station to York, Rail Station Service number: 840 (843, 845, X40) Service type: Limited Stop, Normal Stopping Effective date: 01 Jul 2018 X43, is that new? The X40 and X43 were the ‘fast’ extra journeys operating during the peak summer period last year, so assume they will continue in some form for this summer too. |
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Post by stevieinselby on May 21, 2018 23:14:08 GMT 1
The X43 was a traditional summer-only addition for a while, running a single journey from Tadcaster (Garnet Lane) via the normal route to York, then non-stop from Stonebow to Malton bus station, then non-stop from Malton to Scarborough station, and on to Peasholm Park. It didn't always feature a return journey. For the last couple of years, it has been run as a regular 843 (although still only from Garnet Lane) to provide additional capacity, and included a return working. The return working was nicely spaced with the all-year journeys, but the morning journey ran just 5 minutes ahead of another bus, so perhaps not the most useful of journeys. |
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Post by Marcus on May 21, 2018 23:58:42 GMT 1
Thanks for clearing that up, I had no idea there even was an X43 last year
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on May 22, 2018 6:18:07 GMT 1
The X43 was a traditional summer-only addition for a while, running a single journey from Tadcaster (Garnet Lane) via the normal route to York, then non-stop from Stonebow to Malton bus station, then non-stop from Malton to Scarborough station, and on to Peasholm Park. It didn't always feature a return journey. For the last couple of years, it has been run as a regular 843 (although still only from Garnet Lane) to provide additional capacity, and included a return working. The return working was nicely spaced with the all-year journeys, but the morning journey ran just 5 minutes ahead of another bus, so perhaps not the most useful of journeys. The additional 843, although 5 minutes in fromt of the bus from Leeds, was a very useful journey as it mopped up the vast majority of the ENCTS holders. |
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on May 22, 2018 6:19:28 GMT 1
Thanks for clearing that up, I had no idea there even was an X43 last year There wasn’t |
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Post by Marcus on May 22, 2018 12:36:41 GMT 1
Thanks for clearing that up, I had no idea there even was an X43 last year There wasn’t forget I said that, it was late at night 😂 |
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Post by SCH117X on May 24, 2018 19:12:11 GMT 1
More registrations on VOSA and spot the real surprise concerning the X43
PB0001873/65 Registered (Short notice)
YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD
Route: Scarborough Rail Station to Bridlington Bus Station via Reighton
Service number: X43
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Jul 2018
PB0001873/61 Registered (Short notice)
YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD
Route: Malton Bus Station to York, Rail Station
Service number: 840 (X40, X43, 843)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Jul 2018
PB0001873/60 Registered (Short notice)
YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD
Route: Thornton Dale to Whitby Bus Station via Goathland
Service number: 840 (X40)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Jul 2018
PB0001873/59 Registered (Short notice)
YORKSHIRE COASTLINER LTD
Route: Malton Bus Station to Thornton Dale via Kirby Misperton
Service number: 840 (X40)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Jul 2018
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Post by SF07 on May 30, 2018 21:34:28 GMT 1
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Post by Burnside on May 31, 2018 15:00:58 GMT 1
Is that a good idea, having passengers for Filey and Brid squeeze on the same bus as passengers for Scarborough, or is it another 'good' idea like putting single deck Versa's on the Keighley to Leeds route intead of double deckers?
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Post by gledhill56 on May 31, 2018 16:21:55 GMT 1
As they would say. It’s an amazing idea 🙄. Personally I would have done it the opposite way and run it to Scarborough via Filey and Brid.
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Post by jc on May 31, 2018 17:26:41 GMT 1
Looks like a good opportunity for EYMS to register an 845 as far as Malton - connect with the train to Leeds & Manchester.
On second thoughts there is a convenient rail service from Malton to Filey (short connection at Seamer) every 2-3 hours on a Saturday so Folkton & Flixton might still end up a bit shafted.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 31, 2018 17:53:49 GMT 1
Looks like a good opportunity for EYMS to register an 845 as far as Malton - connect with the train to Leeds & Manchester. On second thoughts there is a convenient rail service from Malton to Filey (short connection at Seamer) every 2-3 hours on a Saturday so Folkton & Flixton might still end up a bit shafted. EYMS aren’t known for such things, they are very traditional in their approach. Does the part of the 845 route that isn’t the same as the 843 have other buses serving it? We obviously aren’t aware of what the loadings were like on the 845 Will the journey time increase a lot? |
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Post by SCH117X on May 31, 2018 18:02:24 GMT 1
EYMS York - Brid is 1hr 22, its half an hour longer on Coastliner.
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Post by deerfold on May 31, 2018 20:22:18 GMT 1
As they would say. It’s an amazing idea 🙄. Personally I would have done it the opposite way and run it to Scarborough via Filey and Brid. Given the current frequencies there seem to be far more people going to Scarborough, so it'd be odd to inconvenience them more. Will all journeys go as far as Brid? My guess is not, with most finishing at Scarborough. |
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Post by stevieinselby on May 31, 2018 22:09:30 GMT 1
As they would say. It’s an amazing idea 🙄. Personally I would have done it the opposite way and run it to Scarborough via Filey and Brid. That would be crackers. If you only needed to go as far as Filey then running to Scarborough via Filey as a variation would work, but not when you have do run 10 miles down to Bridlington and then double back all the way to Filey. Looks like a good opportunity for EYMS to register an 845 as far as Malton - connect with the train to Leeds & Manchester. On second thoughts there is a convenient rail service from Malton to Filey (short connection at Seamer) every 2-3 hours on a Saturday so Folkton & Flixton might still end up a bit shafted. I can't see any rationale for EYMS doing that. They would effectively be competing with their own services from York. When you get a good train connection at Seamer, the train is quicker than the bus (8 minutes quicker to Filey, 12 minutes quicker to Bridlington, plus the connection time needed for the bus at Malton). If Coastliner don't think it is worth running as a through service or connection of their other buses then it won't work for anyone else. But yes, it is Folkton and Flixton that will lose out most of all – maybe we need to bring back something along the lines of the 118 running from Filey via A1039 to Seamer and Eastfield/Morrisons to maintain that local service. Does the part of the 845 route that isn’t the same as the 843 have other buses serving it? Will the journey time increase a lot? No, there is no other service along the A1039 between Ganton and Muston, so this change will leave Folkton and Flixton without any service at all. Google Maps reckons it will take 15 minutes longer to run from Ganton to Filey via Scarborough, sticking to A64 and A165, than the direct route via A1039. Given that I'm checking that at 10pm, and traffic is likely to be much heavier when the buses are running, I would say it is likely to add 20–25 minutes to the journey unless they compensate elsewhere on the route. EYMS York - Brid is 1hr 22, its half an hour longer on Coastliner. You've got your maths muddled there. The EYMS 45 takes about 2h20 from York Station Road to Bridlington , which is about 15 minutes longer than the Coastliner, but has the advantage of being direct – although is less useful if you want to get to Filey. Given the current frequencies there seem to be far more people going to Scarborough, so it'd be odd to inconvenience them more. Will all journeys go as far as Brid? My guess is not, with most finishing at Scarborough. I would have thought, from the way it is registered as X43, it will only be one or two additional (summer-only?) journeys that do this, and that the hourly 843 will continue to run to Scarborough, Peasholm Park and Alpamare. If they run the X43 non-stop over some sections then it will offset the extra time needed to go the long way round to some extent, but whether it will completely negate it I wouldn't like to say. |
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Post by SCH117X on Jun 1, 2018 17:31:14 GMT 1
According to NYCCs web site Folkton and Flixton only have school services probably as neither are listed on the printed Coastliner timetable. Given both villages look to Scarborough usage of the 845 is probably very low from the two villages not helped by the very limited timetable
0852/0853, 1217/1218 and 1547/1548 to Filey and Brid returning at 0942/1006, 1312/1343 and 1642/1706. The first is too early for concession users and the last back will no doubt be seen as too late. Concession users have better option towards Malton on the 1022/1024 but a return is not until 1515 unless 45 mins is enough while the later working at 1352/1354 does only allow 45 mins.
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Post by stevieinselby on Jun 1, 2018 18:50:07 GMT 1
According to NYCCs web site Folkton and Flixton only have school services probably as neither are listed on the printed Coastliner timetable. Given both villages look to Scarborough usage of the 845 is probably very low from the two villages not helped by the very limited timetable. The NYCC timetable doesn't mention them because it's badly set up, and only recognises places listed in the route description, which means that long routes like Coastliner – which have to have smaller villages suppressed from the route description to avoid the list being too long – don't come up when you search for those smaller villages. The 845 does call at all stops along the route. Folkton and Flixton used to have the 118, running about every 2 hours to Filey in one direction, and to Morrisons and Scarborough in the other, but that was stopped a few years ago when funding was withdrawn. I suspect that there will be no replacement service, given how small those two villages are. |
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jun 3, 2018 16:40:09 GMT 1
Looks like a good opportunity for EYMS to register an 845 as far as Malton - connect with the train to Leeds & Manchester. On second thoughts there is a convenient rail service from Malton to Filey (short connection at Seamer) every 2-3 hours on a Saturday so Folkton & Flixton might still end up a bit shafted. EYMS aren’t known for such things, they are very traditional in their approach. Does the part of the 845 route that isn’t the same as the 843 have other buses serving it? We obviously aren’t aware of what the loadings were like on the 845 Will the journey time increase a lot? Think that Bridlington passengers tend to be those on free passes, or travelling from WY. If going York to Bridlington I wouldn’t pay Coastliner Fares - around £12 single, £16 return, when EYMS is £7.35 & £12! From some stops its probably cheaper to pay to York on Coastliner, then change for EYMS Plus the times are not exactly brilliant for day trippers etc. |
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