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Post by biroguy on Feb 28, 2018 22:58:14 GMT 1
LCC are proposing to abandon the A61 guided busways by 2021 and replace them with conventional bus lanes. This proposal is part of the "Connecting Leeds" corridor improvements for doubling bus usage in Leeds by 2028.
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 28, 2018 23:58:04 GMT 1
They do seem pretty pointless compared to conventional bus lanes.
Should have removed the East Leeds ones at the same time as the cycle superhighway, instead we'll have another 6 months of misery.
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Post by ricardoat4 on Mar 1, 2018 9:58:50 GMT 1
Can see Manchester Road going in Bradford too??
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 1, 2018 10:06:49 GMT 1
Why would you spend no doubt many millions ripping something up that is already in place?
I expect that will be the question when the proposal gets debated by LCC and hence won’t happen.
The A64 isn’t one of the key corridors so that one will stay, and Bradford isn’t part of the scheme due to not being in Leeds, so that one will stay.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Mar 1, 2018 18:04:03 GMT 1
Believe that the installation and operation of York/Selby Road and Manchester Road Guideways is under the Railways Act, so removal may be a slow drawn out process, same as when they try to close a railway line.
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Post by Dom on Mar 2, 2018 1:57:07 GMT 1
Believe that the installation and operation of York/Selby Road and Manchester Road Guideways is under the Railways Act, so removal may be a slow drawn out process, same as when they try to close a railway line. Not heard this before, any references to back up your belief? |
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Post by twansport on Mar 2, 2018 8:32:33 GMT 1
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Post by biroguy on Mar 2, 2018 9:58:56 GMT 1
Why would you spend no doubt many millions ripping something up that is already in place? I expect that will be the question when the proposal gets debated by LCC and hence won’t happen. The A64 isn’t one of the key corridors so that one will stay, and Bradford isn’t part of the scheme due to not being in Leeds, so that one will stay. One of the reasons quoted for axing the A61 guideways is to provide bus lanes instead that could be used by Transdev!!! |
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Post by jdodger08 on Mar 2, 2018 13:42:11 GMT 1
On the A61 the guided bus lane is underused I think anyway, as the 7 partially uses them as it turns down potternewton lane, meaning the 7a 7s use the remaining ones. It would therefore be more beneficial for them to replace with standard bus lanes so transdev can use them. I don't think it would be in Transdevs interest to spend money converting buses and training drivers.
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Post by twansport on Mar 2, 2018 20:40:01 GMT 1
I have undertaken some more research. The A61 busway was opened in 1995. Unless they kicked it in pre 1992, then a TWAO would have used if required. The York Road guideway opened in 2001 according to my source. Page 80 of this PDF has an interesting contribution on how to implement a busway. They don't necessarily need a TWAO to implement, although a substantial new corridor and land purchase may be easier through a TWAO. A busway created on existing Council land could be designated as a special road under the Highways Act, with a Traffic Regulation Order set up to manage and enforce access. This advice is over ten years old though. democracy.leeds.gov.uk/documents/s149464/App%20A%20G-4-55%20Study%20of%20High%20Quality%20Buses%20in%20Leeds%20Atkins.pdfPersonally, I am supportive of this change as it brings in flexibility to the route. At 23 years old, we're not taking out something that was recently installed. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 12, 2019 20:10:52 GMT 1
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Post by rst1987 on Feb 13, 2019 2:12:48 GMT 1
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Post by biroguy on Feb 13, 2019 12:21:17 GMT 1
I think it paid off highlighting the guideways were under serious threat, the public have had their say and we are keeping them. We should have brand new guided Scania`s on these routes soon I hope. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 12:29:53 GMT 1
On the A61 the guided bus lane is underused I think anyway, as the 7 partially uses them as it turns down potternewton lane, meaning the 7a 7s use the remaining ones. It would therefore be more beneficial for them to replace with standard bus lanes so transdev can use them. I don't think it would be in Transdevs interest to spend money converting buses and training drivers. It is relatively cheap to install the arms needed for guideways and a smallish team of staff based on the 36 the benefits could be quite significant in terms of time if Transdev used the guideways and this would free up road space thus potentially improving traffic flows |
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Feb 14, 2019 9:36:36 GMT 1
On the A61 the guided bus lane is underused I think anyway, as the 7 partially uses them as it turns down potternewton lane, meaning the 7a 7s use the remaining ones. It would therefore be more beneficial for them to replace with standard bus lanes so transdev can use them. I don't think it would be in Transdevs interest to spend money converting buses and training drivers. It is relatively cheap to install the arms needed for guideways and a smallish team of staff based on the 36 the benefits could be quite significant in terms of time if Transdev used the guideways and this would free up road space thus potentially improving traffic flows As you say fitting the arms is relatively simple and once they are fitted adding or removing the guidewheels themselves is an easy task. The issue that we have found on the Busway vehicles used by my employers is damaging the wheels on curbs/verges when away from the guideways, this was a particular problem on more rural routes due to uneven verges and narrower roads meant they kept getting caught on things and breaking. It has been a long time since I used the 36 and I can't remember if this would be an issue with the route diverting away from the major roads or not., that said Stagecoach seem to have less issues with theirs in Cambridge which go very rural much more regularly so it may say more about our circumstances rather than a more general point if you do it more than a couple of journeys a day at the start/end of a working. |
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 14, 2019 16:02:22 GMT 1
Has anyone put guide wheels on a new Wrightbus product since the Gemini 2 yet?
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Post by biroguy on Feb 14, 2019 17:08:31 GMT 1
Has anyone put guide wheels on a new Wrightbus product since the Gemini 2 yet? First Manchester have new Streetdeck bodied buses on the Vantage guided bus network. |
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Post by Dom on Feb 15, 2019 0:40:02 GMT 1
With the 36, I doubt it would benefit from the guideway.
Going into Leeds, traffic usually builds up from Chapel Allerton Hospital to Leeds (which has a bus lane, yet on Scott Hall Road, it’s just a dual carriage way.
Towards Harrogate, there are no Northbound bus Lanes on Chapeltown/Harrogate Road, on Scott Hall Road, there is only the small section by the Caribbean Cricket Club. But traffic generally is heavier going up Scott hall than chapeltown.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Feb 15, 2019 9:11:02 GMT 1
Has anyone put guide wheels on a new Wrightbus product since the Gemini 2 yet? It's not the body but the chassis that matters with guidewheels and it is essentially about the strength of the front axle as to whether it can take the strain passed from the guidewheels. Generally speaking the continental manufacturers produce heavier-weight chassis better suited to this type of application than the lighter weight British models, mostly Volvo or Scania models from what I can remember, also some of the British built models have a slightly narrower axle which again causes issue when operating on a guideway. I think the First Manchester Vantage vehicles are Volvo chassis (though hybrid), similar to the Transdev 36 ones. |
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Post by michael1971 on Feb 15, 2019 11:53:22 GMT 1
Has anyone put guide wheels on a new Wrightbus product since the Gemini 2 yet? First Manchester have new Streetdeck bodied buses on the Vantage guided bus network. they are not Streetdecks they are B5s |
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Post by cs1 on Feb 15, 2019 17:47:01 GMT 1
Has anyone put guide wheels on a new Wrightbus product since the Gemini 2 yet? It's not the body but the chassis that matters with guidewheels and it is essentially about the strength of the front axle as to whether it can take the strain passed from the guidewheels. Generally speaking the continental manufacturers produce heavier-weight chassis better suited to this type of application than the lighter weight British models, mostly Volvo or Scania models from what I can remember, also some of the British built models have a slightly narrower axle which again causes issue when operating on a guideway. I think the First Manchester Vantage vehicles are Volvo chassis (though hybrid), similar to the Transdev 36 ones. Volvo B5 models and the Scania products use the same ZF beam axle fixed with tie rods and are pretty standard to what was used on all B7RLE/B7TL late models and B9s so guided busways are no problem, the E400/400MMCs use the same axle but it is attached different and the hubs including the stubs which the guideways attach to are different also-there has been trouble with the ones in Bristol on its guided busway. Streetdecks use ZF parts also but these are wishbones rather than a beam axle and the tracking is a lot wider than say a Volvo. So to tell at a quick glance the Volvos and Scanias will have the wheels a good couple of inches inside the wheelarch and the hubs are also inset. The Streetdecks and E400s are more of less flush with the bodywork. |
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