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Post by gooderson1 on Jan 20, 2018 18:55:29 GMT 1
A Facebook group is reporting that Stephensons have ceased trading. Apparently Connexions are taking on a route and some school contracts. I can find nothing on their, Connexions or NYCC websites. Also a "Google" search reveals no recent information. Anyone confirm or deny.
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Post by rwilkes on Jan 20, 2018 19:37:08 GMT 1
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 20, 2018 22:19:07 GMT 1
Other services to be resolved:-
59 Thirsk - Husthwaite - Thirsk 60 Thirsk - Carlton Husthwaite - Thirsk 60A Thirsk - Dalton - Carlton Husthwaite - Thirsk 181 York - Malton via Sheriff Hutton and Castle Howard 190 Malton - Foxholes 193 Malton & Norton local service 194 Malton - Hoveringham 157R Linton on Ouse - Easingwold School 158R Newton on Ouse - Easingwold School 159R Tholthorpe - Easingwold School 166R Kilburn - Easingwold School 195R Hoveringham- Malton Schools 226R Barthorpe - Malton Schools
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Post by Marcus on Jan 20, 2018 22:34:43 GMT 1
Minster FM has reported that sources say Connexions are taking over the 181
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Post by martinjwdton on Jan 20, 2018 23:39:29 GMT 1
60a thirsk locals 100% gone to dales and district
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Post by martinjwdton on Jan 20, 2018 23:41:31 GMT 1
195r is on the the same board and runs the same route as 194 , I can assume nycc may run there own minibus for a couple these routes
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 21, 2018 11:14:20 GMT 1
Some strange workings that Transdev are taking over, I cannot see them keeping the same timetable for long, are they commercial or tendered?
Unbalanced workings:- 0715 NS Tholthorpe - Shipton 1635 Linton - Shipton
Empty running for no apparent reason:- 0830 arrival at Helmsley forming 0915 from Kirbymoorside
Long empty running necessary:- 1845 arrival at Kirbymoorside with no return working
York loop duplications, which could easily be the same vehicle:- Station Ave 1353 1355 1708 1710
Anyone know what the PVR is? The only spare small vehicle is Dart 704. There is also Dart 669 but that is listed as being unlicenced and for disposal on the latest WYIS fleetlist.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 21, 2018 13:57:25 GMT 1
I think those York journeys are the same vehicle just that to York shows the arr time and from York shows the dep time.
I expect they will reactivate some B10BLEs, although don't Stephensons run double decks on the York College trips, so one of the PotN buses may also get used.
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 21, 2018 15:21:33 GMT 1
NYCC have published info of the changes 736H Sharow - Ripon - Nidderdale High School Procters Coaches 760H Great Ouseburn - Green Hammerton - King James School Abbotts of Leeming 759H Tockwith - King James School Abbotts of Leeming 771H Hunsingore - Little Ouseburn - Boroughbridge High Compass Royston 778H Marton Le Moor - Dishforth - Boroughbridge High School Procters Coaches 777H Norton Le Clay - Boroughbridge High School Procters Coaches 770H Nun Monkton - Great Ouseburn - Boroughbridge School Compass Royston 773H Myton On Swale - Brafferton C E Primary School Procters Coaches 849H Thornton Le Moor - South Otterington Primary School Winns Bros 120R Kirby Misperton - Pickering Schools Esk Valley Coaches 157R Linton On Ouse - Easingwold School Reliance Motor Services 159R Tholthorpe - Aldwark - Easingwold School Harrogate Coach Travel 172R Newton On Ouse - Forest Of Galtres Primary School Morse Coaches 177R Tollerton - Tholthorpe - Alne Cp School York Pullman 205R Barton-Le-Street-Gt Barugh-Great Habton-Amotherby School Perrys 166R Oldstead - Coxwold - Easingwold School PNP Coaches 178R Oulston - Coxwold - Carlton Husthwaite - Husthwaite School PNP Coaches 170R Overton - Forest Of Galtres Primary School York Pullman 169R Overton - Shipton (Feeder) York Pullman 181R Shipton - Overton (Feeder) York Pullman merged onto 169R 226R Acklam - Leavening - Norton College York Pullman 225R Burythorpe - Langton - Norton College & Langton School (Am) Esk Valley Coaches 223R Butterwick - Weaverthorpe - Norton College York Pullman 256R Easingwold - Ampleforth - Helmsley - Ryedale School Morse Coaches 195R Hovingham - Malton Schools Yorkshire Coastliner 383S Helmsley - Kirkbymoorside - Pickering - Scarborough Colleges East Yorkshire Motor Services 094S Thorganby - Fulford School Harrogate Coach Travel County council supported local bus services Unfortunately, the local bus services in the table below are affected and will not be in operation for the foreseeable future. We will review the services and undertake a tender exercise as soon as possible to attempt to secure replacement services. 60 Thirsk - Carlton Husthwaite - Dalton - Thirsk Circular (Mon & Fri Only) 60A Thirsk - Dalton - Carlton Husthwaite -Thirsk Circular (Mon & Fri Only) 59 Thirsk - Husthwaite Circular (Mon & Fri Only) 194 Malton - Slingsby - Hovingham 181 Malton - Castle Howard-York 190 Malton - Foxholes Commercial and private services Stephensons also operated several services on commercial or private basis. We have no role in the provision of these services, but we have received the information below regarding the replacement of some of the services from Monday 22 January. Queries relating to the Coastliner services should be directed to the company. 29/29A Easingwold β Linton on Ouse β Newton on Ouse - York Coastliner 31 Easingwold β Alne β York/York College Coastliner 31X Kirkbymoorside β Helmsley β Easingwold - York Coastliner 193 Malton & Norton Town Service None at present www.northyorks.gov.uk/bus-service-changes-and-newsObviously contradicts reports re the Thirsk local services going to Dales & District and the 181 to Harrogate Coach Travel aka Connexions.
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Post by tyresmoke on Jan 21, 2018 17:47:31 GMT 1
181 is definitely to be operated by Connexions starting tomorrow
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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 21, 2018 20:15:45 GMT 1
Some strange workings that Transdev are taking over, I cannot see them keeping the same timetable for long, are they commercial or tendered? Unbalanced workings:- 0715 NS Tholthorpe - Shipton 1635 Linton - Shipton Empty running for no apparent reason:- 0830 arrival at Helmsley forming 0915 from Kirbymoorside Long empty running necessary:- 1845 arrival at Kirbymoorside with no return working York loop duplications, which could easily be the same vehicle:- Station Ave 1353 1355 1708 1710 Anyone know what the PVR is? The only spare small vehicle is Dart 704. There is also Dart 669 but that is listed as being unlicenced and for disposal on the latest WYIS fleetlist. By my reckoning, there are 4 buses needed for the weekday service on the 29 and 31X; three running fairly continuously all day long (although one of those has a 1 hour long break in York) and then one running peaks only (0657 to 0840, then 1640 to 1845, doing the college runs). The duplications look like they are just oddities of timing points, and it is the same vehicle working the inward and outward journeys in both cases. The 1635 from Linton to Shipton comes off the (29) 1558 York to Linton, and then waits half an hour and works the (29) 1720 Shipton to Easingwold. That allows a connection of the York College bus, which is why it sits and waits for that time. I think the 0830 into Helmsley continues as 256R to Ryedale School. The dead time between arriving at the school and departing Kirkbymoorside is not excessive, and allows the service to slot in neatly when it gets back to Easingwold. Similarly in the afternoon, the 1512 arrival in Helmsley toddles off to Ryedale School to run as 256R back to Helmsley where it doubles up as the 1555 31X back again. The 0715 from Tholthorpe to Shipton is a mystery. The next journey I can find for that bus is the 31X at 0830 from York. If that is the same bus and it isn't doing a school run somewhere in between, it does seem odd that it doesn't run through to York. I'm sure that in time Transdev will rationalise the timetables and revise them to fit with their operational requirements, depot locations and potential for interworking with school contracts β there may well be things that made perfect sense for Stephensons given where they were based on what other work they were doing but that wouldn't make sense for Transdev, whether the services are run from Fulford or Malton. The latter might make more operational sense for some journeys if not all, particularly things like the late arrival back at Kirkbymoorside. The whole Kirkbymoorside things is also a bit of a mystery as far as I'm concerned. I can fully understand that there could be demand for a shoppers service from KMS to York, which would fit nicely with a 1045 arrival. What I can't see is the kind of passengers who use that service wanting to hang around in York until 1700. In terms of the fleet, I would expect them to bring a bunch of B10BLEs back into service. According to the UKBuses fleet, they have over 20 that are withdrawn, that I'm sure could be drafted in at short notice, even if they may only be used as short-term stop-gaps. Double-deckers are no good as all buses run into York on Leeman Road, which has a low bridge.
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 21, 2018 23:18:04 GMT 1
In terms of the fleet, I would expect them to bring a bunch of B10BLEs back into service. According to the UKBuses fleet, they have over 20 that are withdrawn 35 according to WYIS although a number are unlicenced so it will be a pick of debranded Unibus 1012/54/76, Mainline (old) 1042/43/46/58/71, Lancs Utd (Blue/Yellow) 1044/47, Keighley (Blue/green) 1061/63/78/94, and Harrogate 1084/85/91/93. 1091 and 1093 are listed as being at York in the list dated 13 Jan along with unlicenced white 1064. wyis.byethost17.com/Blazefield.pdf
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Post by jc on Jan 22, 2018 1:01:38 GMT 1
www.yorkbus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=2226They are running the first week for free thanks to the response that they're stepping in (what did they expect?) The elephant in the room here is Reliance who run the bulk of services Easingwold to York. It will be interesting to see how this plays out between them if Transdev are committed to the 31X long term.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Jan 22, 2018 9:27:52 GMT 1
www.yorkbus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=2226They are running the first week for free thanks to the response that they're stepping in (what did they expect?) The elephant in the room here is Reliance who run the bulk of services Easingwold to York. It will be interesting to see how this plays out between them if Transdev are committed to the 31X long term. You can't help feeling that the free bit is less to do with a thank you for a positive reaction and more to do with the fact that they haven't sent the registrations off yet. Given this all appears to have happened over the weekend it would require an impressive amount of work on the Sunday to get the registrations completed & sent off and you can only charge fares on registered services. Whilst officially you are supposed to wait for the confirmation letter from the Licensing Office most operators will work on assumed agreement in a circumstance like this but it would be pushing it a bit to assume consent for a request you haven't actually submitted yet (I may not have gone for a full week free but I would certainly have gone for a couple of days to not take the appearance of assuming the TC decision which they tend to not be too happy with).
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Post by jc on Jan 22, 2018 13:28:57 GMT 1
www.yorkbus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=2226They are running the first week for free thanks to the response that they're stepping in (what did they expect?) The elephant in the room here is Reliance who run the bulk of services Easingwold to York. It will be interesting to see how this plays out between them if Transdev are committed to the 31X long term. You can't help feeling that the free bit is less to do with a thank you for a positive reaction and more to do with the fact that they haven't sent the registrations off yet. Given this all appears to have happened over the weekend it would require an impressive amount of work on the Sunday to get the registrations completed & sent off and you can only charge fares on registered services. Whilst officially you are supposed to wait for the confirmation letter from the Licensing Office most operators will work on assumed agreement in a circumstance like this but it would be pushing it a bit to assume consent for a request you haven't actually submitted yet (I may not have gone for a full week free but I would certainly have gone for a couple of days to not take the appearance of assuming the TC decision which they tend to not be too happy with). I've just seen a statement on the Reliance website to say they are running the 31X from Helmsley to Easingwold for free today to the same timetable, so it looks like they're already tripping over each other. Further statement to be issued today.
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 22, 2018 17:49:28 GMT 1
Transdev are using Harrogate B10BLEs. Only reference I can find on Reliances web site and on facebook is to them working the 157R and morning 156R
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 22, 2018 18:19:33 GMT 1
NYCC are now acknowledging Connexions working the 181 with a note that it is operating on a commercial basis without financial support from the county council.
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Post by jc on Jan 22, 2018 18:35:59 GMT 1
Transdev are using Harrogate B10BLEs. Only reference I can find on Reliances web site and on facebook is to them working the 157R and morning 156R It was the last paragraph on the statement in Reliance Live, for some reason removed but still there on Facebook with a further message that they are operating it again tomorrow in the last 10/15 mins. Public transport shouldn't be a game of who blinks first, but here we are...
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 22, 2018 21:03:08 GMT 1
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Post by neukit on Jan 22, 2018 22:09:31 GMT 1
No, the B10BLE's lasted fine, but as there's only 3 of them (305/7/9), 1108 was the fourth bus out today.
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Post by martinjwdton on Jan 22, 2018 22:48:36 GMT 1
Laziness on not programming the destination screen
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 22, 2018 22:48:47 GMT 1
No, the B10BLE's lasted fine, but as there's only 3 of them (305/7/9), 1108 was the fourth bus out today. Thanks for the correction - I was working off the @yorkbus tweet that the services were being run by red buses.
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 22, 2018 22:50:05 GMT 1
Laziness on not programming the destination screen Those on the B10BLEs are programmed - presumably a fourth B10BLE was meant to be in service but got replaced by the Enviro.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 22, 2018 23:32:58 GMT 1
Or that the enviros take a different program, what with them being non Transdev standard
Hardly βlazyβ when theyβve stepped in a short notice.
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Post by jc on Jan 23, 2018 0:28:03 GMT 1
Just going back to the point about free buses, and Reliance talking about releasing updates when the situation is 'clear' whilst running free buses themselves. Have they both submitted short notice registrations to the TC and are waiting on whose is accepted? Would either company have to run another 56 days of free buses or wait it out if the registration was turned down?
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