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Post by SCH117X on Jan 12, 2018 18:32:51 GMT 1
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Post by northerner on Jan 12, 2018 19:07:57 GMT 1
Quite ironic really with all the 'beat the train fare increase' statements Transdev have been doing lately
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Post by SF07 on Jan 12, 2018 19:38:55 GMT 1
Bit disappointed that DayTripper won't be valid on CityZap, as found it good value being able to use the DayTripper ticket from Greater Manchester into Leeds then on Transdev buses in Yorkshire. Bit of a jump up having to pay an extra £6.50 to do that in future (albeit £3 cheaper than paying for CityZap return and DayTripper ticket). No mention of the CityZap Duo ticket being made available on CityZap Leeds-Manchester on the Lancashire Bus website. Should be interesting to see what the loadings will be like on CityZap and Coastliner to see if people are buying singles/returns or DayTripper Plus tickets. lancashirebus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=2218 |
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Post by kommie123 on Jan 12, 2018 20:03:06 GMT 1
Hang on so what if you already have a Daytripper ticket downloaded to your phone? It's not valid around Leeds from 21st Jan? Lol.
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Post by neukit on Jan 12, 2018 20:56:08 GMT 1
They are also introducing a new Gold Flex ticket which gets you 5 Gold day tickets for £42, or 10 for £80. They can be used anywhere, so will actually offer much better value than the current Daytripper ticket if you want to have a day out including Cityzap or Coastliner. It's been mentioned on Facebook that they are valid for up to 12 months, so plenty of time to make use of them even if you don't get out and about that often.
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 12, 2018 21:44:09 GMT 1
Hang on so what if you already have a Daytripper ticket downloaded to your phone? It's not valid around Leeds from 21st Jan? Lol. Its still valid on the 36, 60, 70 and 71 "around Leeds". |
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Post by kommie123 on Jan 12, 2018 23:12:56 GMT 1
Brilliant. Yeah. Let's all go to Wetherby.
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 13, 2018 14:19:05 GMT 1
Brilliant. Yeah. Let's all go to Wetherby. or Harewood, Harrogate, Ripon, Shipley, Bingley, Keighley Would that be Black Friday half price Daytrippers that you stocked up on? |
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Post by kommie123 on Jan 13, 2018 14:39:02 GMT 1
And why shouldnt it be. Missing the point. You don't well someone something just to change the terms 3 months later!
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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 13, 2018 15:24:27 GMT 1
And why shouldnt it be. Missing the point. You don't well someone something just to change the terms 3 months later! It does seem particularly odd that they allow Daytrippers on the various express services to Manchester – where they don't have any other services – but not on stopping services to York that then can connect with local services on the 20, 22 and 42. It isn't as though Coastliner is a new addition to the network; it's been there right from the start. Sure, you can make an exception for the services east of York, where a day return fare is more than the cost of the Daytripper, but what's the justification for excluding services between York and Leeds? |
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Post by 96tommy on Jan 14, 2018 3:54:41 GMT 1
And why shouldnt it be. Missing the point. You don't well someone something just to change the terms 3 months later! It does seem particularly odd that they allow Daytrippers on the various express services to Manchester – where they don't have any other services – but not on stopping services to York that then can connect with local services on the 20, 22 and 42. It isn't as though Coastliner is a new addition to the network; it's been there right from the start. Sure, you can make an exception for the services east of York, where a day return fare is more than the cost of the Daytripper, but what's the justification for excluding services between York and Leeds? There is no justification. Got to say I'm not at all happy with the news of daytrippers tickets no longer being valid on Coastliner yet alone the CityZap. You can go way out to Ripon for example but not York. As usual, the Harrogate side of Blazefield seems to get the better advantages. Recently Transdev have been running the cheaper than the train advertisement. So this news comes as a surprise and with passenger numbers being low on the CityZap routes you would thought they would be doing all they can to try and increase trade. |
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Post by gaz6371 on Jan 14, 2018 10:18:38 GMT 1
Thing the reason why daytripper tickets not been allowed on coastliner is people where over riding to the coast causing lots of confusion on return journeys.but can't see why there can't be used on cityzap to York.
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Post by SCH117X on Jan 14, 2018 11:44:29 GMT 1
Thing the reason why daytripper tickets not been allowed on coastliner is people where over riding to the coast causing lots of confusion on return journeys.but can't see why there can't be used on cityzap to York. Consistency in ticketing probably the reason given that journeys on Cityzap York are promoted as being able to use Coastliner as well between York and Leeds. Could also be that they feel using them on Cityzap Manchester is too much a one off bargain fare on journeys starting at York, Harrogate or Ripon for example. If they have got one thing seriously wrong its not promoting that fact that anyone who used a Daytripper regularly on Cityzap or Coastliner will now travel cheaper with the new Gold Duo ticket as that works out cheaper than the existing Daytripper fare anyway (Transdev Blazefield presumably benefit from having a larger receipt up front). Anyone agree with a new poster here that Cityzap York is poorly used ? |
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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 14, 2018 20:05:48 GMT 1
Thing the reason why daytripper tickets not been allowed on coastliner is people where over riding to the coast causing lots of confusion on return journeys.but can't see why there can't be used on cityzap to York. That kind of makes sense, but it seems like a poor excuse. It shouldn't be too difficult for drivers to check where passengers are going when they get on in Leeds showing a Daytripper ticket. If they lie and say York then they are committing deliberate ticketless travel just as if they asked for a ticket to York when they were travelling on to Scarborough. |
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Post by ajw11239 on Jan 14, 2018 21:12:23 GMT 1
It does seem like a poor excuse, not going to lie. I guess it's true that drivers do change over at Malton, so I make the assumption that the new driver doesn't know who's got tickets to where. Theoretically I'm sure I could buy a ticket from York to somewhere just past Malton and continue to Whitby/Scarborough.
I find it quite disappointing that this change has been made after the amount they go on about their through fares and they've essentially cut York out the DayTripper region now (ignoring that one can get away with the 22/23 and get to Leeds the long way round), but it's more confusing that as said before, they've now introduced a Gold Flex ticket which would cost £8.40 a day (assuming the 5 ticket option), and is essentially what the old DayTripper was, allowed on everything. So if people chose intelligently they'd make less from it!
Also can't help pointing out that (whilst still slightly less than the train walk-up off peak fare, without a railcard), the return from York to Leeds has gone from £8 in April 2016 to £9.50 now, which is a 19% increase in just under 2 years; whilst they promote that you can 'beat the rail fare rise'.
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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 14, 2018 22:20:09 GMT 1
Also can't help pointing out that (whilst still slightly less than the train walk-up off peak fare, without a railcard), the return from York to Leeds has gone from £8 in April 2016 to £9.50 now, which is a 19% increase in just under 2 years; whilst they promote that you can 'beat the rail fare rise'. Ouch, that is steep. Maybe First need to have another go with the X64! I was going to compare it to EYMS' fares to see how it lines up against theirs, but it's really odd ... Market Weighton is slap bang in the middle of York and Hull ... a slightly shorter journey to either one than from Leeds to York but not all that much in it. Market Weighton to York comes in at a bargain £7.80 return, but to Hull it is an eye-watering £12 return (10p more than Pocklington to Hull, bizarrely) ... not sure how EYMS can charge 50% more for the same distance using the same buses on the same route. It's all expensive compared to Arriva, though ... £5.70 for an all-day ticket valid across the Yorkshire region or £8.00 for an all-day ticket valid across the North East region. The X93 alone covers double the distance of York to Leeds, and uses MAX-spec B9TLs so it isn't as though they are running cheap buses either. |
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Post by deerfold on Jan 17, 2018 1:04:07 GMT 1
And why shouldnt it be. Missing the point. You don't well someone something just to change the terms 3 months later! If they're not valid for the purpose you bought them for, have you tried asking Transdev for a refund? |
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Post by deerfold on Jan 17, 2018 1:08:03 GMT 1
Anyone agree with a new poster here that Cityzap York is poorly used ? Perhaps he thinks that if he puts it on enough forums, eventually someone might agree with him. |
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Post by kommie123 on Jan 17, 2018 21:45:50 GMT 1
Bitter fellow aren't you?
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Post by 96tommy on Jan 17, 2018 21:57:06 GMT 1
Bitter fellow aren't you? Me? As I said on another forum o can only by the passenger numbers I see on the journeys I see. |
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Post by kommie123 on Jan 17, 2018 22:02:04 GMT 1
Ha no I meant deerfold.
Problem with cityzap is simple. It's a fiver more to get a train from Leeds to York that takes a third of the time and is 3 times as frequent.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 17, 2018 22:21:50 GMT 1
Should all bus services be withdrawn where there is a parallel train service then?
Cityzap Leeds to York has no problem, it’s now been running for ages and it does fine. Even the busiest service has poorly used journeys.
Why on a pro bus forum are people always demanding services are axed?
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Post by stevieinselby on Jan 17, 2018 23:16:27 GMT 1
Should all bus services be withdrawn where there is a parallel train service then? Usually, where buses and trains run in parallel, the bus serves a lot of smaller communities along the way that the train doesn't. Even where there is a decent train service, there is usually a clear and evident demand for buses to cover intermediate journeys as well as end-to-end passengers looking for a cheaper option – an example of where that fell down was the X54 between York and Harrogate, which didn't offer an awful lot that the train didn't, and the slightly cheaper price wasn't enough to lure fare-paying passengers away from the much quicker train. In the case of CityZap, particularly between York and Leeds, I think there is a good case for running an express bus as it will be little or no slower than the train for some passengers, depending on exactly where their journeys start and finish, and the fares are significantly cheaper than the train and so will appeal to fare-paying passengers as well as pass-holders. No, it would be silly to have a rule that said that there was no need for parallel services and that one or other should be withdrawn ... but where there are parallel services, they will usually both need to be able to justify their existence. |
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Post by deerfold on Jan 18, 2018 0:13:19 GMT 1
Bitter fellow aren't you? I'm not. I'm not the one constantly deriding the CityZap. I think the new one will have its work cut out, but Transdev seem happy with the York one. |
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Post by ajw11239 on Jan 18, 2018 12:32:12 GMT 1
I use the CityZap about four times a week between York and Leeds. Usually at different times of day - main reason why is that I live near the stonebow, and the 50-60min journey time isn't bad considering to get the train, I'd have to walk to the station, to the platform in time for the train, and then walk from the station to my office.
And based on what I've seen, the bus is relatively well used for most of the day but the majority of their passengers come from concessionary passes. During most of the day, there's some very good loadings but admittedly pre-9:30 the services are rather quiet. It does attract some commuting people but I think that's squeezed a bit when the service does finish very early (I know the coastliner does step in later on), and if they continue to increase the fares people might swap.
I have to admit that I've been tempted to switch because the service isn't the most reliable one. Of course traffic is unavoidable, particularly in York but during the day the service operates to quite a tight timetable with very little layover time. Now the Hungate loop is closed in York, it has to go round a Foss Bank loop which takes a good few minutes and it's very, very often that it leaves York late.
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