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Post by busmanmoss on Oct 10, 2017 15:52:22 GMT 1
Has york won the 492 493 route I heard they had
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 10, 2017 18:26:43 GMT 1
Did the off peak weekday journeys have 42 minutes layover at Keighley? 12 minutes should be doable most of the time Generally yes, as often 12 mins becomes a few mins and the turn around becomes a mad rush. With the double decks, ideally they'd refurbish 401/402 into the basic Aireline spec with new seat covers and USB, so you don't end up with key peak time journeys that many commuters use not having the advertised features.
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Post by northerner on Oct 11, 2017 20:49:43 GMT 1
The Geminis haven't been around for a few weeks, so it is possible they are away for refurb
There's been quite a lot of negative feedback on Twitter of the changes, with the lack of capacity causing issues especially in the morning peak. Transdev had previously stated that they know their loadings, but if a passenger boards with a pre-paid or M ticket, they wouldn't know where passengers are alighting.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 11, 2017 21:13:10 GMT 1
They obviously wanted to upgrade the 60 but could only afford 4 Versas, so have had to pull existing single decks off Keighley locals, reduce capacity on the K7, bring back Darts probably on the K10, and compromise capacity on the 60 itself.
This can be the only explanation after they'd made an effort to run a 100% double deck service on the 760 over the last few years after being a mix in the past.
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Post by ajw11239 on Oct 12, 2017 15:12:54 GMT 1
It was on Twitter by Transdev Keighley that they have two more Aireline vehicles arriving this week which I believe would bring the total to 6.
The capacity issue is true though - I can see how some journeys are fine for single decks, but from being in Leeds Bus Station today, one of the refurbished 05-place B7RLEs was on the route today and by the time it left the bus station, it was almost full (already). The route seems to be in the middle of crowded single deck - quiet double deck but since passenger numbers are growing (and expected to further grow) I don't think it's going to get better, unless the frequency is boosted.
I'd hoped that when the 11 and 62 plate B9 Coastliners are replaced next year, they'd be suitable candidates for the route.
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Post by northerner on Oct 12, 2017 22:16:55 GMT 1
The 2 additional Aireline vehicles are likely to be the 2 former K7 Versas, which will just mean more Versas and less B7s. I can see some deckers returning to the 60 over the coming weeks especially as we hit the busy time of year
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 22:23:13 GMT 1
It was on Twitter by Transdev Keighley that they have two more Aireline vehicles arriving this week which I believe would bring the total to 6. The capacity issue is true though - I can see how some journeys are fine for single decks, but from being in Leeds Bus Station today, one of the refurbished 05-place B7RLEs was on the route today and by the time it left the bus station, it was almost full (already). The route seems to be in the middle of crowded single deck - quiet double deck but since passenger numbers are growing (and expected to further grow) I don't think it's going to get better, unless the frequency is boosted. I'd hoped that when the 11 and 62 plate B9 Coastliners are replaced next year, they'd be suitable candidates for the route. without Mods i dont think they would of been able to use Ex-Coastliner Geminis long term,as are Metro/Leeds Council not wanting all buses in Leeds to be Euro 6 by 2020?
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Post by ajw11239 on Oct 15, 2017 23:02:58 GMT 1
without Mods i dont think they would of been able to use Ex-Coastliner Geminis long term,as are Metro/Leeds Council not wanting all buses in Leeds to be Euro 6 by 2020? That I didn't realise. That would explain First purchasing so many new vehicles for Leeds within the next few years. Their fleet standard is poor, and really a lot of the StreetDecks that went into service in 2016 didn't really do much to help things, since they ended up replacing some pretty new 12-reg B9s, rather than the old stuff. I went for a trip on the Aireline today - whilst I must say the Versas are very pleasant indeed, it does have to be said that I think not purchasing deckers was a real mistake to make for this route. One way there was standing room only for a lot of the journey, and the other way almost all the seats were taken. And the Versas aren't massive either, and they can feel a bit cramped when they're full. It just doesn't make a tonne of sense to me, when the plan is to grow passenger numbers to double over the next few years in Leeds, and as said previously, passenger numbers do change towards Christmas. Just doesn't seem like growth has been considered.
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Post by ajw11239 on Oct 15, 2017 23:03:51 GMT 1
The 2 additional Aireline vehicles are likely to be the 2 former K7 Versas, which will just mean more Versas and less B7s. I can see some deckers returning to the 60 over the coming weeks especially as we hit the busy time of year Thanks for that They didn't last long on the K7 after all the launch publicity!
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Post by Burnside on Oct 16, 2017 15:15:04 GMT 1
That I didn't realise. That would explain First purchasing so many new vehicles for Leeds within the next few years. Their fleet standard is poor, and really a lot of the StreetDecks that went into service in 2016 didn't really do much to help things, since they ended up replacing some pretty new 12-reg B9s, rather than the old stuff. I went for a trip on the Aireline today - whilst I must say the Versas are very pleasant indeed, it does have to be said that I think not purchasing deckers was a real mistake to make for this route. One way there was standing room only for a lot of the journey, and the other way almost all the seats were taken. And the Versas aren't massive either, and they can feel a bit cramped when they're full. It just doesn't make a tonne of sense to me, when the plan is to grow passenger numbers to double over the next few years in Leeds, and as said previously, passenger numbers do change towards Christmas. Just doesn't seem like growth has been considered. A number of people questioned this on Twitter before the Versa's entered service and Transdev's reply was "We know our loadings and will use double deckers at peak times'. Yet judging by the timetable, it appears more a case of using deckers when they are not doing school work, leaving some peak journeys to be Versa operated and inconveniencing numerous passengers. There are a number of tweets from passengers saying they'll switch to the 670 rather than have to stand between Calverley or Rodley and Leeds.
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Post by northerner on Oct 16, 2017 21:25:32 GMT 1
That I didn't realise. That would explain First purchasing so many new vehicles for Leeds within the next few years. Their fleet standard is poor, and really a lot of the StreetDecks that went into service in 2016 didn't really do much to help things, since they ended up replacing some pretty new 12-reg B9s, rather than the old stuff. I went for a trip on the Aireline today - whilst I must say the Versas are very pleasant indeed, it does have to be said that I think not purchasing deckers was a real mistake to make for this route. One way there was standing room only for a lot of the journey, and the other way almost all the seats were taken. And the Versas aren't massive either, and they can feel a bit cramped when they're full. It just doesn't make a tonne of sense to me, when the plan is to grow passenger numbers to double over the next few years in Leeds, and as said previously, passenger numbers do change towards Christmas. Just doesn't seem like growth has been considered. A number of people questioned this on Twitter before the Versa's entered service and Transdev's reply was "We know our loadings and will use double deckers at peak times'. Yet judging by the timetable, it appears more a case of using deckers when they are not doing school work, leaving some peak journeys to be Versa operated and inconveniencing numerous passengers. There are a number of tweets from passengers saying they'll switch to the 670 rather than have to stand between Calverley or Rodley and Leeds. Indeed, I'm not convinced it has been thought through very well. Passenger growth and a reduction in capacity aren't a great combination. Hopefully the commuters will switch to the 670 as it might open Transdev's eyes to their error
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Post by B521UWW on Oct 16, 2017 21:31:18 GMT 1
The fun will begin when the trains are on strike, only way from Keighley, bingley, Shipley to Leeds is the bus and double decks used to be full and standing when I drove them!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 16, 2017 23:13:31 GMT 1
And First Bradford do tend to provide a slightly better standard of vehicle on the 670 these days, seems to be the 375xx Geminis mostly, whereas a year or two ago it would have been wall to wall ALX400s.
"Using double deckers on the busiest journeys" is basically a lie by Transdev, as it's only using double decks on the same duties that always run off schools, there are no double decks in the morning peak as that obviously clashes with the school run.
This sort of experience must take the shine off the new buses,even those who have got every available seat
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Post by SCH117X on Oct 17, 2017 18:33:01 GMT 1
Crikey if I took a photo every time I was a standing only room Transdev bus in Harrogate this thread would be miles long. Suspect the issue has been drivers not recording passes properly so giving lower passenger numbers than actually exist.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 17, 2017 19:34:09 GMT 1
I think it's more that Transdev are trying to do too much all at once, they obviously can't run to brand new double decks, and don't have any nearly new ones available either, but they can run to single decks, although have to take some from an existing route to make up the numbers.
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Post by northerner on Oct 17, 2017 21:55:14 GMT 1
Crikey if I took a photo every time I was a standing only room Transdev bus in Harrogate this thread would be miles long. Suspect the issue has been drivers not recording passes properly so giving lower passenger numbers than actually exist. But how long would you be standing for? Rodley-Leeds is timed for up to 45 minutes in the morning peak, and this has been caused by a deliberate reduction in seats although there is no denying the Versas are of a much better standard than the Presidents they have replaced (patronising next stop announcements aside.) The General Manager at Keighley was travelling on the bus in the photo that morning, although not really sure why as the CCTV should provide enough evidence to the overcrowding
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 16:18:16 GMT 1
The 2 additional Aireline vehicles are likely to be the 2 former K7 Versas, which will just mean more Versas and less B7s. I can see some deckers returning to the 60 over the coming weeks especially as we hit the busy time of year One of the extras is 242 now in aireline livery
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Post by neukit on Oct 18, 2017 23:31:51 GMT 1
Has york won the 492 493 route I heard they had No, they have won the contract to run the 42 (York-Selby) and retained the contract for the 8 (Selby-Drax), although they have joined them together into one more frequent service. Connexions and Pullman retained their 492/3/4 and 37 contracts, whilst Arriva won the new 493 (Sherburn-Pontefract) contract.
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Post by northerner on Oct 21, 2017 22:13:34 GMT 1
Don't think it has been mentioned but Solo 154 is now in use. Also, according to WYIS 455 has left the Keighley fleet but Dart 720 is back, presumably as additional bus which is required for the 965
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 21, 2017 22:23:51 GMT 1
It also says that 720 is being repainted into KBC livery with Wharfedale Links branding
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Post by neukit on Oct 22, 2017 11:27:24 GMT 1
The other surplus ex Burnley 'Starship' Dart - 715, has gone to York for the new 42.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 22, 2017 13:54:08 GMT 1
Also looking at the Keighley fleet there has been a number of withdrawals
Olympians 976, 978, 2003, 2006 - leaving just one (964 S64WNM) in the fleet
B10BLEs 1061, 1077, 1078, 1079, 1080, 1081, 1082, 1083 - leaving just three in the fleet
Mybus B10BLEs 530 & 1129 have moved to Harrogate, replacing coaches 948 & 962 which have been withdrawn.
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Post by SCH117X on Oct 22, 2017 21:35:39 GMT 1
The other surplus ex Burnley 'Starship' Dart - 715, has gone to York for the new 42. Surely 705 would have been a better choice as that is in M-Ticket Black or is it actually in use at Keigley rather than being stored as WYIS state.
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Post by neukit on Oct 22, 2017 21:39:07 GMT 1
The other surplus ex Burnley 'Starship' Dart - 715, has gone to York for the new 42. Surely 705 would have been a better choice as that is in M-Ticket Black or is it actually in use at Keigley rather than being stored as WYIS state. I believe the one at Keighley may be going as a spare.
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Post by B521UWW on Oct 23, 2017 14:05:19 GMT 1
964 has gone, the only old decker left at Keighley is 978 which I hear has been sold to a private buyer.
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