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Post by WYBS on Jul 6, 2016 20:00:52 GMT 1
Waiting for the 42 in Farnley today, I overheard people saying they had been waiting 45 minutes for one. One person mentioned something about 30 drivers being suspended, that's why the service was so bad?
Is this just BS or is there any truth behind it? Is it to do with the Strike action if true?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 6, 2016 20:24:42 GMT 1
Aren't union members refusing to work overtime to cover gaps like they usually would, due to the ongoing industrial action?
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jul 6, 2016 20:37:00 GMT 1
There does appear to be a larger than usual number of cancelled journeys on the Dewsbury Road and Hunslet group of services, even on a Sunday! I have heard First are not allowing striking drivers to do overtime to make up lost earnings.
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Post by FUM 492Y on Jul 6, 2016 20:47:35 GMT 1
14 drivers are under suspension and with an overtime ban alot of buses will be cancelled. I think stopping overtime is an absolute joke by First punishing the drivers is one thing but having your paying passengers suffer as well is bang out of order.
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Post by northerner on Jul 6, 2016 21:42:05 GMT 1
14 drivers are under suspension and with an overtime ban alot of buses will be cancelled. I think stopping overtime is an absolute joke by First punishing the drivers is one thing but having your paying passengers suffer as well is bang out of order. Bradford is just as bad too for cancellations, is the overtime ban Yorkshire wide? First know they can get away with cancelling dozens of journeys each day and as a lot of people pay up front in weekly/monthly tickets, or travel for free if over 65, they are still receiving the revenue |
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Post by WYBS on Jul 6, 2016 22:20:01 GMT 1
There does appear to be a larger than usual number of cancelled journeys on the Dewsbury Road and Hunslet group of services, even on a Sunday! I have heard First are not allowing striking drivers to do overtime to make up lost earnings. I also noticed a few 49's were cancelled today as well. |
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Post by kendall17 on Jul 6, 2016 22:29:33 GMT 1
Overtime ban - spot on for me. Easy way to make up earnings from strike days for drivers, if they want to strike, make them lose the money.
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Post by FUM 492Y on Jul 7, 2016 7:41:06 GMT 1
Overtime ban - spot on for me. Easy way to make up earnings from strike days for drivers, if they want to strike, make them lose the money. It might be spot on for you but not for the passengers in Leeds that have been waiting upto an hour for a bus. Drivers losing money fine but if I remember correctly the last Strike about pay the union subsidised the lost days with a £25 or £35 payment to all members that it affected dont know if this is still the case though |
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Post by biroguy on Jul 7, 2016 8:34:29 GMT 1
This strike action is causing major problems for passengers and will cause major issues for First in Leeds if it continues. Relations between First and Metro have never been great and one wonders how a "Quality Partnership" will work after these strikes. We need to take back direct control of our bus services.
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Post by kendall17 on Jul 7, 2016 18:20:49 GMT 1
Overtime ban - spot on for me. Easy way to make up earnings from strike days for drivers, if they want to strike, make them lose the money. It might be spot on for you but not for the passengers in Leeds that have been waiting upto an hour for a bus. Drivers losing money fine but if I remember correctly the last Strike about pay the union subsidised the lost days with a £25 or £35 payment to all members that it affected dont know if this is still the case though Yeah you're right, it effects the fare paying passenger, like myself with a £540 annual pass. Still spot on. Strike days or major delays = me either driving, finding alternatives like the 770 or even getting a lift. |
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jul 7, 2016 18:25:48 GMT 1
This strike action is causing major problems for passengers and will cause major issues for First in Leeds if it continues. Relations between First and Metro have never been great and one wonders how a "Quality Partnership" will work after these strikes. We need to take back direct control of our bus services. None of that would stop strike action. Councils often are on strike, buses in London are often on strike. |
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Post by biroguy on Jul 7, 2016 23:06:00 GMT 1
This strike action is causing major problems for passengers and will cause major issues for First in Leeds if it continues. Relations between First and Metro have never been great and one wonders how a "Quality Partnership" will work after these strikes. We need to take back direct control of our bus services. None of that would stop strike action. Councils often are on strike, buses in London are often on strike. True, the point I`m making is that the Buses Bill will give Metro the option of a voluntary partnership with First or a quality contract system. First`s industrial relations problems are not endearing them to the travelling public or Metro. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Jul 8, 2016 10:15:06 GMT 1
Overtime ban - spot on for me. Easy way to make up earnings from strike days for drivers, if they want to strike, make them lose the money. It might be spot on for you but not for the passengers in Leeds that have been waiting upto an hour for a bus. Drivers losing money fine but if I remember correctly the last Strike about pay the union subsidised the lost days with a £25 or £35 payment to all members that it affected dont know if this is still the case though The point about a strike is that it is intended to disrupt the service so that the business suffers or, in the case of a public service, management gives in (or at least compromises) to avoid public outrage. Just as the employer is not allowed to hire in contract workers to cover for the strikers, it is generally accepted that allowing to work overtime on order to catch up on the work not done during a strike is totally counter productive and so it doesn't happen. |
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Post by deerfold on Jul 8, 2016 17:45:26 GMT 1
It might be spot on for you but not for the passengers in Leeds that have been waiting upto an hour for a bus. Drivers losing money fine but if I remember correctly the last Strike about pay the union subsidised the lost days with a £25 or £35 payment to all members that it affected dont know if this is still the case though The point about a strike is that it is intended to disrupt the service so that the business suffers or, in the case of a public service, management gives in (or at least compromises) to avoid public outrage. Just as the employer is not allowed to hire in contract workers to cover for the strikers, it is generally accepted that allowing to work overtime on order to catch up on the work not done during a strike is totally counter productive and so it doesn't happen. But if there are buses missing when there's no strike on, that's not catching up on work that would have been done during the strike. That's just punishing drivers and passengers. |
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Post by chrisboy96 on Jul 8, 2016 18:55:55 GMT 1
The point about a strike is that it is intended to disrupt the service so that the business suffers or, in the case of a public service, management gives in (or at least compromises) to avoid public outrage. Just as the employer is not allowed to hire in contract workers to cover for the strikers, it is generally accepted that allowing to work overtime on order to catch up on the work not done during a strike is totally counter productive and so it doesn't happen. But if there are buses missing when there's no strike on, that's not catching up on work that would have been done during the strike. That's just punishing drivers and passengers. A full timetable compliance relies on drivers doing overtime. Taking away their overtime means that not every service can run. |
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Post by stevieinselby on Jul 8, 2016 21:06:46 GMT 1
The point about a strike is that it is intended to disrupt the service so that the business suffers or, in the case of a public service, management gives in (or at least compromises) to avoid public outrage. Just as the employer is not allowed to hire in contract workers to cover for the strikers, it is generally accepted that allowing to work overtime on order to catch up on the work not done during a strike is totally counter productive and so it doesn't happen. But if there are buses missing when there's no strike on, that's not catching up on work that would have been done during the strike. That's just punishing drivers and passengers. Not all drivers are on strike – a fair number of services are running a full, reduced or skeleton service during the industrial inaction (let's give it its accurate name!). It is quite reasonable to suggest that all drivers who aren't striking have been rostered to work on those days, meaning that they aren't available (within their contracted hours) to do as much work on other days. Strikers must lose the day's work and pay, or it isn't a strike. Therefore although the strike isn't taking place on other days, it is likely that it will leave a shortfall of drivers on other days if no overtime is permitted. |
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