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Post by timelesstable on Feb 2, 2016 8:12:58 GMT 1
Is there a taxi rank close to either of the Leeds Bus Station or where these buses drop off in York?
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Post by deerfold on Feb 2, 2016 11:33:00 GMT 1
Of it starts from Leeds bus station and/or it takes any longer than 40 mins and is less frequent than every 20 mins, at coastliners current prices, I doubt anyone will be lured from the train! Depending on where in Leeds you need to be, the bus station might be more convenient for you than the railway station! If you're wanting the Victoria or Kirkgate districts then the bus station is closer; if you're wanting LGI, the university or Merrion area then there isn't much in it. If you're getting a bus into Leeds from the suburbs and changing, the bus station may be a better bet. Don't rule it out just because it doesn't serve the railway station! At the moment, fares are: Single Train: Anytime £13.90, Off-peak £13.00 Bus: Anytime £6.30 ReturnTrain: Anytime £16.80, Off-peak £13.10 Bus: Anytime £8.00 WeeklyTrain: £52.30 Bus: £31.30 There's a substantial saving to be made if you're travelling by bus, and if your journey doesn't start and finish at the railway station in either city (eg Stonebow to Corn Exchange) then the bus taking you closer than the train does could easily negate the slightly longer running times and offset the less frequent service. And £9 for anyone connecting from the 36, 44 or 760. Wonder if they'll have an offer with First with other connections? More likely at the Leeds end of course.
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Post by Penfold on Feb 2, 2016 12:26:57 GMT 1
Is there a taxi rank close to either of the Leeds Bus Station or where these buses drop off in York? There are always plenty of Taxi's/Private Hire vehicles on New York Street (outside LCBS) causing chaos for buses ! Penfold
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Feb 2, 2016 12:50:34 GMT 1
Of it starts from Leeds bus station and/or it takes any longer than 40 mins and is less frequent than every 20 mins, at coastliners current prices, I doubt anyone will be lured from the train! I'm led to believe that Coastliner & CityZap will both be every 30 minutes, so hopefully will be coordinated to attempt to give a 15 minute frequency from both ends (if not from Leeds, then especially York as there will be a lot more stops in common)
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Post by kommie123 on Feb 2, 2016 13:31:47 GMT 1
Dont get me wrong, I want CityZap to be a big success. Per mile, Leeds to York must be one of the most expensive rail routes in the country but at the same time there has to be that lure away. Its a 25 minute journey by train from Leeds to York currently and there are 6 trains an hour. Thats its competition. £13.00 return vs £8.00 is interesting. I remember when it used to be £5.00 return when they had competition!
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 2, 2016 14:57:20 GMT 1
Is there a taxi rank close to either of the Leeds Bus Station or where these buses drop off in York? There are always plenty of Taxi's/Private Hire vehicles on New York Street (outside LCBS) causing chaos for buses ! Penfold True with some doing illegal right turns to get there and other doing a full 180 in the middle of the road
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Post by SF07 on Feb 2, 2016 22:55:21 GMT 1
PB1064235/18 - M TRAVEL LTD, VANGUARD YARD, CARR WOOD ROAD, CASTLEFORD, WF10 4SB Variation Accepted: Operating between Knottingley - Common Lane and Knottingley - Common Lane given service number 487/134/488/489 effective from 26-Mar-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Post by pub146g on Feb 3, 2016 18:39:36 GMT 1
Could we soon be seeing green/white Scanias working between Leeds & Harrogate?
It's only a rumour I've heard so wondered if anybody else knows more or able to provide confirmation.
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Post by WYBS on Feb 3, 2016 23:37:19 GMT 1
Could we soon be seeing green/white Scanias working between Leeds & Harrogate? It's only a rumour I've heard so wondered if anybody else knows more or able to provide confirmation. On what route?
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Post by pub146g on Feb 4, 2016 2:39:27 GMT 1
Could we soon be seeing green/white Scanias working between Leeds & Harrogate? It's only a rumour I've heard so wondered if anybody else knows more or able to provide confirmation. On what route? No idea - it's just something I was told might be happening but at the moment I'm not reading too much into it until anything official is announced or anybody on here knows anything. Could just be another of those rumours!
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Post by SF07 on Feb 12, 2016 21:21:05 GMT 1
No timetable yet, but some early details about the timetable changes to Coastliner and introduction of Cityzip. It would appear that Coastliner and Cityzip will both run every 30 mins between York and Leeds with Cityzap non-stop between York and Leeds, meaning 4 buses per hour between the two cities. The Coastliner will run half-hourly between Leeds and Malton with services running hourly to Scarborough (843) or Pickering and Thornton-le-Dale (840), with buses running every 2 hours to Whitby. Service 845 will run between Malton, Filey and Bridlington with connections at Malton for York and Leeds. www.yorkbus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=1657
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 12, 2016 21:26:57 GMT 1
Obviously need to see the timetables to see how many, if any, extra journeys run to Scraborough, Whitby and Bridlington. The restoration of a full hourly service Leeds to Scarbrough is good news.
Obviously Tadcaster to Leeds reduces back to half hourly, back to pre X64 levels, and York to Malton also reduced back to half hourly, but the increase was always more for operational reasons than any particular need.
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Post by alextransdev on Feb 13, 2016 6:55:37 GMT 1
Seems as though Alex has just looked on a map and thought 'ooh big road, no traffic problems then, must be a quick way to Leeds, can't check it out however as too busy having my selfie taken with a bus', sorry Alex but you've so clearly NOT done your homework and for this totally avoidable thingy up you deserve a bit of grief! We did do our 'homework' (or research as I prefer to call it), so I resent that remark. We make decisions together based on customer and staff research and/or experience - I don't go round drawing lines on maps and forcing it upon people. We have found that despite time checks beforehand, journey time along Scott Hall Rd has varied quite widely and congestion continues to increase around Leeds. Despite what you feel you may see, the overall consensus in split (we've been timing the journeys and been on the buses talking to people). So the jury is still out on this. We'll let things settle down first and make a considered view on behalf of the majority of customers, keeping them in touch and talking to them along the way. Note your personal comments only serve to make your weight of opinion even weaker, whatever the subject is.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Feb 13, 2016 10:01:17 GMT 1
Alex, calm down, your at boiling point this morning, anyway I've worked up Scott Hall Road for some time and know it's a fickle road where as Chapletown Road is much better and quicker more often. Ask anyone on here and they will say the same, local's know you know.
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Post by alextransdev on Feb 13, 2016 10:31:44 GMT 1
Alex, calm down, your at boiling point this morning, anyway I've worked up Scott Hall Road for some time and know it's a fickle road where as Chapletown Road is much better and quicker more often. Ask anyone on here and they will say the same, local's know you know. Boiling point? I'm chilling with a cuppa mate! I just believe in manners and respect, irrespective of the subject
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Feb 13, 2016 10:56:58 GMT 1
You'll have to get used to me half Irish half Yorkshire sense of humour, It's here to stay and makes me look a lot less boring than I actually am, see, I can insult myself as well. Just a quick question by the way, what did you think to my Coastliner suggestions I put on the Coastliner pages a few weeks ago, before you say there a load of Bo****ks, it's better than having numb B*****ks lol! I go to Whitby using the Megabus or train to Middlesbrough then change onto the Esk train or use the X93 as it's much quicker, can be as quick as just over 2 and a half hours with a good connection from Megabus to X93, now I know the X40 takes that length of time but it's only once a day each way where as the Middlesbrough combinations are up to hourly. If I can be honest, I always tell friends thinking of day trips to Whitby to use the Middlesbrough combinations because I know the Coastliner takes too long and is likely to put them off in future.
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Post by rwilkes on Feb 13, 2016 11:55:54 GMT 1
If speed is what you want a train to Malton + Whitby Coastliner is fast, I would be surprised if travelling via M'bro was quicker or cheaper. Thee is also train to Scarborough plus bus. I agree with the idea of civility to other from members, humour is fine but offensiveness isn't funny. Bus companies never do anything without a great deal of though and research, even when new services do not suit some people or even if they turn out to be a failure, its never because the bus company did not think long and hard.
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 13, 2016 20:48:17 GMT 1
Obviously need to see the timetables to see how many, if any, extra journeys run to Scraborough, Whitby and Bridlington. The restoration of a full hourly service Leeds to Scarbrough is good news. Obviously Tadcaster to Leeds reduces back to half hourly, back to pre X64 levels, and York to Malton also reduced back to half hourly, but the increase was always more for operational reasons than any particular need. After being reduced in the winter 2014/15 timetable, the full hourly services to Scarborough and Thornton-le-Dale were restored for the summer 2015 timetable but then cut back again for winter 2015/16. We'll have to wait and see whether the return to hourly this time round is just for the summer or if it's going to remain in place all year round! I am not so worried about Malton dropping back to a 30-minute frequency – they do have an hourly train to Scarborough, York and Leeds as well – but it is a shame that after enjoying higher frequencies for the last few years Tadcaster is seeing its service fall back to every 30 minutes. But I'm sure Transdev have done their market research, and if that shows that Tadcaster only merits a bus every half-hour then we have to take that at face value. It's interesting that Bridlington is now only going to have connecting services at Malton rather than through services to York and Leeds. With EYMS now running 6 buses a day (3 on Sunday) between York and Bridlington all year round, taking about the same time as Coastliner but being considerably cheaper (£11.00 return compared with £14.50, and an even bigger differential for singles) – perhaps it isn't a surprise that Coastliner have struggled with this market, but the withdrawal of all direct services can only reduce the number of passengers further.
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 13, 2016 21:10:28 GMT 1
If speed is what you want a train to Malton + Whitby Coastliner is fast, I would be surprised if travelling via M'bro was quicker or cheaper. Thee is also train to Scarborough plus bus. The quickest route from Leeds to Whitby is to get the train to Scarborough and then get the X93. It could be as quick changing to the 840 at Malton if the connections were timed better but there's a 40-minute wait. It is still about half an hour quicker getting the train to Malton and then changing to the 840 compared with getting the 840 all the way from Leeds. Going via Middlesbrough varies depending on the connections and whether you are prepared to have an extra change at Darlington, but catching the train all the way is broadly similar times to the 840, whereas changing to the X93 is slightly quicker (could be half an hour quicker still but again the connections are just not quite right). But of course, the bus all the way from Leeds is far and away the cheapest option (or free for ENCTS holders!) and with the convenience of the direct service combined with the superb views as you cross the moors, it isn't a surprise that there is still a reasonable demand for travel on that route despite the infrequency of the service and the extended journey time.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Feb 13, 2016 21:15:23 GMT 1
Obviously need to see the timetables to see how many, if any, extra journeys run to Scraborough, Whitby and Bridlington. The restoration of a full hourly service Leeds to Scarbrough is good news. Obviously Tadcaster to Leeds reduces back to half hourly, back to pre X64 levels, and York to Malton also reduced back to half hourly, but the increase was always more for operational reasons than any particular need. After being reduced in the winter 2014/15 timetable, the full hourly services to Scarborough and Thornton-le-Dale were restored for the summer 2015 timetable but then cut back again for winter 2015/16. We'll have to wait and see whether the return to hourly this time round is just for the summer or if it's going to remain in place all year round! I am not so worried about Malton dropping back to a 30-minute frequency – they do have an hourly train to Scarborough, York and Leeds as well – but it is a shame that after enjoying higher frequencies for the last few years Tadcaster is seeing its service fall back to every 30 minutes. But I'm sure Transdev have done their market research, and if that shows that Tadcaster only merits a bus every half-hour then we have to take that at face value. It's interesting that Bridlington is now only going to have connecting services at Malton rather than through services to York and Leeds. With EYMS now running 6 buses a day (3 on Sunday) between York and Bridlington all year round, taking about the same time as Coastliner but being considerably cheaper (£11.00 return compared with £14.50, and an even bigger differential for singles) – perhaps it isn't a surprise that Coastliner have struggled with this market, but the withdrawal of all direct services can only reduce the number of passengers further. Do you actually know that there will be no through buses from Leeds to Whitby or Bridlington. Could be that they will simply change to/from 843s at Malton.
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 13, 2016 21:34:59 GMT 1
Do you actually know that there will be no through buses from Leeds to Whitby or Bridlington. Could be that they will simply change to/from 843s at Malton. Buses will still be running to Whitby as they did before, albeit registered as several separate services that just happen to use the same bus all the way through. Their website says Buses every hour to and from Scarborough every day of the week. Buses every hour to and from Pickering & Thornton-le-Dale Buses every 2 hours to and from Whitby. Connecting buses at Malton for day trips to Filey and Bridlingtonwhich I take to mean that Bridlington will be losing its direct service and all passengers will need to change at Malton – if the service ran through but just changed number then I'm sure they would have made it clear it was still a through service.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Feb 13, 2016 23:05:42 GMT 1
One of the massive advantages of going via Middlesbrough is a combination of cheaper travel (Megabus Mega Value, I've done boro for 50p return one day!), more transport options from boro to Whitby and a lovely break for most journeys (unlike using the Coastliner), going via Scarbados on the train is ok but it can work out more expensive if you don't book in advance and you have no option should the X93 go wrong/run late.
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Post by stevieinselby on Feb 14, 2016 11:07:40 GMT 1
One of the massive advantages of going via Middlesbrough is a combination of cheaper travel (Megabus Mega Value, I've done boro for 50p return one day!), more transport options from boro to Whitby and a lovely break for most journeys (unlike using the Coastliner), going via Scarbados on the train is ok but it can work out more expensive if you don't book in advance and you have no option should the X93 go wrong/run late. Good point, I had not thought about Megabus. It can be the quickest way, but only if you get the 0745 from Leeds ... the next three coaches don't connect well with the X93 (the 1000 and 1540 are scheduled to arrive as the X93 departs so you're likely to have an hour's wait, the 1320 is nowhere near) and the last two are too late for onward connections. In the other direction, the earliest you can get to Leeds from Whitby is 1400 and again you've generally got the best part of an hour to wait at Middlesbrough. As Megabus requires advance booking, it is not quite comparable with the options I gave ... if you allow advance booking on the train then you can do Leeds to Scarbados for about £7 each way, which brings the price down considerably ... while you can get cheaper deals on Megabus if you book far enough ahead, which could make it the cheapest option, you've got worse problems with connections there than at Scarborough (which has a half-hourly service to Whitby for 6 months of the year) if things go wrong. Yes, it's a plausible option, but I still don't think it can beat the choice between 840 all the way (for cost and convenience), or train to Scab and then X93 (for speed).
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Feb 14, 2016 15:10:48 GMT 1
Although timings are tight for the 10.00 from Leeds, if you have a good driver it has been known to arrive up to 15 mins early into Middlesbrough, but even if you don't make the X93 or Esk Train connection from any Megabus or Train journey, at least you have the 3 options if you include a longer journey on a X4, you could even say stopping off for an hour to take in some of Middlesbrough is another option. Now Scarborough on the other hand is cheap to get to/from if booked in advance like Middlesbrough, however there is only 1 option and despite it being a half hourly option, the X93 is at it's busiest between Scarborough and Whitby which can often lead to things going wrong. When the X93 goes wrong, it goes from bad to worse for much of the day due to clearing the never ending tourist/locals backlog. I have experienced 3 mid morning X93s from Whitby to Scarborough running together, all full of disgruntled hot passengers. The first was from Middlesbrough running late, the second was from Scarborough running late and the third was god knows what as it came in as a 95 and the driver was told to run it as an X93 so I'm assuming an earlier bus had missed.
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Post by sharksmith on Feb 27, 2016 14:39:26 GMT 1
PB0001748/13 - KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD, PROSPECT PARK, BROUGHTON WAY, STARBECK, HARROGATE, HG2 7NY Variation Accepted: Operating between Keighley Bus Station and Leeds City Bus Station given service number 760 effective from 20-Mar-2016. To amend Route and Timetable. PB0001748/28 - KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD, PROSPECT PARK, BROUGHTON WAY, STARBECK, HARROGATE, HG2 7NY Variation Accepted: Operating between Bradford I/C and Keighley Bus Station given service number 696/697/698 effective from 20-Mar-2016. To amend Timetable. PB0001748/98 - KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD, PROSPECT PARK, BROUGHTON WAY, STARBECK, HARROGATE, HG2 7NY Variation Accepted: Operating between ILKLEY and MALHAM given service number 873/884 effective from 27-Mar-2016. To amend Timetable. I've been waiting a long time now to find out what the route change to the 760 will be from 20 March, whether this is a minor rerouting in Leeds City Centre or something more significant. Todays Tweet from Transdev Keighley is "We're pulling out the stops to bring you a more reliable & quicker 760 from 20 March. More info soon." I may be reading more into the wording than is there but 'pulling out the stops' draws me to one of two conclusions. 1. Sections of the route becoming limited stop although I can only see this being possible at either end of the route, i.e Leeds to Rodley or Keighley to Saltaire or both? or along similar lines 2. With the Keighley to Saltaire route well covered by the Shuttle, maybe running the route along the Aire Valley Road on the main A650 between Keighley and Bingley or Cottingley, although more likley the former as I would imagine the 760 does plenty of business between Bingley, Beckfoot School and the Shipley area. I'm sure all will be revealed soon but anyone any further details or comments on the above?
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