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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 1, 2016 18:20:01 GMT 1
Yorkshire tiger have been told by top bosses at Arriva not to paint anymore transfers into Yorkshire Tiger livery, they are all staying in Arriva livery. It won't be long until Tiger is merged in with Arriva Yorkshire Interesting to see how the merger would would work with Tigers low cost structure and minimal management layers, and Arriva's. I personally thought Tiger would be used to win tenders they started losing to Tates etc due to there lower overheads, but the latest Kirklees tenders Tiger didn't get a sniff, even if they attempted to?? But then you would get Tiger undercutting Arriva and I'm sure unions would be all over that and it gets messy. Not strictly true, Tiger won evenings and Sunday's on 321, 356, 358 & 360. Of course they lost some daytime work, but I imagine TLC Travel are even more low cost than Tiger. Tiger taking work from Arriva does sound like a union matter.
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Post by FIYHANunDer on Feb 1, 2016 22:05:34 GMT 1
To answer my own question, it looks like they are running with an interim general manager at the moment but are recruiting for the next one. Let's hope the next one turns the company round That chap, is the one who replaced Martin, and this vacancy is to replace the chap, who was General Manager at Dewsbury, was seconded from Dewsbury to Elland, following Arriva taking over Centrebus/Huddersfield Bus Company/Kline, operations, and stayed there to run Yorkshire Tiger, who, has now left and joined Transdev Blackburn Not strictly true, there was another 'chap' inbetween.
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Post by driver6540 on Feb 1, 2016 22:21:09 GMT 1
All the above sounds terribly convoluted, Lets just hope the next head honcho who gets the job is given enough backing and resources to get YT restored to the level it originally promised.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Feb 2, 2016 12:48:17 GMT 1
That chap, is the one who replaced Martin, and this vacancy is to replace the chap, who was General Manager at Dewsbury, was seconded from Dewsbury to Elland, following Arriva taking over Centrebus/Huddersfield Bus Company/Kline, operations, and stayed there to run Yorkshire Tiger, who, has now left and joined Transdev Blackburn Not strictly true, there was another 'chap' inbetween. I believe the job advertised is the 'second in command' position, which as whereami said, was filled until recently by Steve Ottley.
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Post by alextransdev on Feb 7, 2016 8:55:40 GMT 1
Not strictly true, there was another 'chap' inbetween. I believe the job advertised is the 'second in command' position, which as whereami said, was filled until recently by Steve Ottley. Steve Ottley has always been GM, and there have been two leaders dedicated to Tiger since Martijn left. Steve joined us as GM Transdev Burnley last Monday, and is an impressive manager and people person.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 10, 2016 21:00:33 GMT 1
I wouldn't rely on the 1621 38 from Wortley to Gledhow, they seem to tweet every other day that it's running 20 minutes late or even not running at all. With the traffic in Headingley you'd think they'd try to at least start the evening service on time, or else a few trips later it'll be way off timetable.
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Post by andyk4050 on Feb 10, 2016 21:37:03 GMT 1
I wouldn't rely on the 1621 38 from Wortley to Gledhow, they seem to tweet every other day that it's running 20 minutes late or even not running at all. With the traffic in Headingley you'd think they'd try to at least start the evening service on time, or else a few trips later it'll be way off timetable. This is coz they expect the bus to get from boar lane to wortley in 10mins at rush hour
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Post by Matty on Feb 19, 2016 14:56:07 GMT 1
Interesting to see how the merger would would work with Tigers low cost structure and minimal management layers, and Arriva's. I personally thought Tiger would be used to win tenders they started losing to Tates etc due to there lower overheads, but the latest Kirklees tenders Tiger didn't get a sniff, even if they attempted to?? But then you would get Tiger undercutting Arriva and I'm sure unions would be all over that and it gets messy. Not strictly true, Tiger won evenings and Sunday's on 321, 356, 358 & 360. Of course they lost some daytime work, but I imagine TLC Travel are even more low cost than Tiger. Tiger taking work from Arriva does sound like a union matter. TLC have low profit margins, they aren't as greedy as a lot of the other larger operators. They have cheaper fares because cheaper fares mean that people will wait for them instead of getting on the first bus therefore making more money.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 19, 2016 16:36:19 GMT 1
They have cheaper fares because cheaper fares mean that people will wait for them instead of getting on the first bus therefore making more money. Unless of course these people have Operator Specific Day Tickets
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Post by redpanda on Feb 19, 2016 16:59:02 GMT 1
They have cheaper fares because cheaper fares mean that people will wait for them instead of getting on the first bus therefore making more money. Unless of course these people have Operator Specific Day Tickets Or its tipping it down and they're at a stop thats a pole and not a shelter
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Post by whereami on Feb 19, 2016 17:04:43 GMT 1
They have cheaper fares because cheaper fares mean that people will wait for them instead of getting on the first bus therefore making more money. Unless of course these people have Operator Specific Day Tickets But, on TLC, they can use their Tiger ticket, as long as they pay an extra 75p (40p child)
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Post by rwilkes on Feb 19, 2016 17:05:58 GMT 1
'TLC have low profit margins, they aren't as greedy as a lot of the other larger operators. ' Companies only make the profits they have to make. If you have new full size buses and evening and Sunday services, no Metro subsidy, and a publicity budget, you need profit margins in excess of 15%. You get what you pay for. First's dividends to shareholders puts up your £1 bus fare by 1.5p. Is that a really big deal?
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Post by mutty on Feb 19, 2016 18:19:58 GMT 1
'TLC have low profit margins, they aren't as greedy as a lot of the other larger operators. ' Companies only make the profits they have to make. If you have new full size buses and evening and Sunday services, no Metro subsidy, and a publicity budget, you need profit margins in excess of 15%. You get what you pay for. First's dividends to shareholders puts up your £1 bus fare by 1.5p. Is that a really big deal? Id much rather pay a little extra to have a nice modern bus with leather seats, wifi, usb plugs etc. The little operators are ok, but give me arriva any day !
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Post by andy1 on Feb 19, 2016 19:23:19 GMT 1
TLC are looking odds on to secure the 900/901 Huddersfield / Hebden Bridge service from Tiger Blue from the recent retendering, which will fit nicely into existing operations. TLC and LOT(ladies only travel) are untouchable tender wise at present, whether its sustainable long term is the interesting question?
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Post by whereami on Feb 20, 2016 7:42:56 GMT 1
TLC are looking odds on to secure the 900/901 Huddersfield / Hebden Bridge service from Tiger Blue from the recent retendering, which will fit nicely into existing operations. TLC and LOT(ladies only travel) are untouchable tender wise at present, whether its sustainable long term is the interesting question? They HAVE got it, now. Notice went up yesterday (19/2) afternoon, informing staff, that TLC had won the tender for 900/901 & a new 902, plus the summer 906 Widdop I'd say that for TLC it must be sustainable, otherwise, they wouldn't have taken lease of 6 brand new 65 plate Solo's when they won the Huddersfield tenders, and now they've got this, 2 new buses are on order. As for LOT, we'll have to wait and see, cos, they may come unstuck with the Primo's that they'll be using on ex Arriva Yorkshire routes, especially 252 on midweek match days from Leeds.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Feb 20, 2016 20:11:51 GMT 1
TLC are looking odds on to secure the 900/901 Huddersfield / Hebden Bridge service from Tiger Blue from the recent retendering, which will fit nicely into existing operations. TLC and LOT(ladies only travel) are untouchable tender wise at present, whether its sustainable long term is the interesting question? They HAVE got it, now. Notice went up yesterday (19/2) afternoon, informing staff, that TLC had won the tender for 900/901 & a new 902, plus the summer 906 Widdop I'd say that for TLC it must be sustainable, otherwise, they wouldn't have taken lease of 6 brand new 65 plate Solo's when they won the Huddersfield tenders, and now they've got this, 2 new buses are on order. As for LOT, we'll have to wait and see, cos, they may come unstuck with the Primo's that they'll be using on ex Arriva Yorkshire routes, especially 252 on midweek match days from Leeds. Unfortunately the fact that they are buying new buses means nothing in this context, in fact it is often the first sign of managers getting carried away & I'm sure all of us can name a couple of operators who got carried away with shiny vehicles and got into financial trouble. I have lost count of the number of times I have had to do rush scheduling to replace an operator who got their sums wrong or took one too many risks and almost all of them had newer fleets than my own employers. The fact the TLC have always based their business model on newer vehicles & the regular turning over of leased buses makes you more positive the management have still got their feet on the ground & know what they are doing, but not one but a very few at the very heart of the business will have a genuine idea of both what the business plan is and how well it is going, drivers & junior office staff are often the last to know their is an issue.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 25, 2016 16:57:40 GMT 1
YT Solo 310 seen being removed from Halifax Bus Station behind a Stoneywood recovery truck earlier today
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Post by gooderson1 on Feb 25, 2016 17:21:08 GMT 1
It does appear to be a case of anything goes these days. The 324(Hudderfield - Meltham) had two Yorkshire Tiger liveried vehicles today and it is a Tiger Blue route. Not an ideal way to promote a route and a company.
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Post by ratty on Feb 27, 2016 20:52:52 GMT 1
Just been on Flickr, Greg Collins' site, and there are two shots of tiger Cubs in Halifax, both look filthy. When you go further in the set, there are photos of First Huddersfield/Halifax and an Arriva bus all looking clean and tidy in comparison.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 27, 2016 20:54:16 GMT 1
I've noticed the same. Did the fire damage the bus wash? Tiger buses in Leeds and Huddersfield aren't like that.
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Post by Burnside on Feb 28, 2016 0:22:24 GMT 1
Elsewhere, Tempo 776 was on the 781 today with two cracks in the windscreen and the panel above the door where two lights and the emergency door controls are mounted had obviously been damaged and repaired (badly) with black sealant so it stuck out like a sore thumb. And it looked like the inside of the windscreen hadn't been cleaned since the bus rolled off the production line.
In contrast, all the other buses I used today with the exception of the Solo First used on the 646 were immaculate, from the Allover white Solo SR on the 650 to the B5TL on the 36 and the Enviro 200 on the 708.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Feb 28, 2016 22:34:10 GMT 1
I had planned a trip to Halifax at Easter to ride some Yorkshire Tiger buses, such as on Sunday-only routes to Bradford & Huddersfield. However, I am losing interest maybe due to such vehicle developments. In terms of scenery, I still hope to ride the Barkisland circular in due course.
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Post by Kenton Schweppes on Mar 1, 2016 19:02:51 GMT 1
Not strictly true, Tiger won evenings and Sunday's on 321, 356, 358 & 360. Of course they lost some daytime work, but I imagine TLC Travel are even more low cost than Tiger. Tiger taking work from Arriva does sound like a union matter. TLC have low profit margins, they aren't as greedy as a lot of the other larger operators. They have cheaper fares because cheaper fares mean that people will wait for them instead of getting on the first bus therefore making more money. TLC have taken over the 341 Stocksmoor service and I must say the service has declined from when Yorkshire Tiger used to operate, certain services are continually late noticeably the 17.40, the drivers are miserable too, a smile costs nothing.
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Post by whereami on Mar 2, 2016 7:43:24 GMT 1
TLC have low profit margins, they aren't as greedy as a lot of the other larger operators. They have cheaper fares because cheaper fares mean that people will wait for them instead of getting on the first bus therefore making more money. TLC have taken over the 341 Stocksmoor service and I must say the service has declined from when Yorkshire Tiger used to operate, certain services are continually late noticeably the 17.40, the drivers are miserable too, a smile costs nothing. The reduction in the 341 service, had nothing to do with TLC, Metro are paying for the service to be operated, albeit, on a lower frequency than when Yorkshire Tiger operated it, until October 2015, and they decided it would have a reduced service. As a driver for TLC, the regular passengers, who use it, are very happy, that their service is still operating, and it's funny, that, the passengers who do use, say our drivers, are a lot more friendly, than the Tiger one's, but, you do get some drivers, who don't smile at any company. As for the constant lateness of the 1740 from Huddersfield, that's because it comes off another service, that gets held up with the traffic coming into town, and it's being looked at, but, any changes to duties, aren't gonna happen until May, when the 900/901 Huddersfield - Hebden Bridge service moves across from Tiger Blue to TLC.
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Post by ldsbus on Mar 15, 2016 22:26:33 GMT 1
I was on a 757 at the weekend for the first time, I can't say I was impressed. There was litter all over the place and the floor was covered in mud. I know they can't help what passengers do, but at 11am on a Saturday morning on an otherwise empty bus it seems unlikely it was all dropped that morning. Despite being a fairly new bus, the rattling was terrible and it sounded very unhappy when we hit a pothole.
As an aside, I couldn't find the plug sockets advertised. Was I looking in completely the wrong place, or are they missing at the moment?
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