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Post by redpanda on Jan 21, 2016 9:44:09 GMT 1
Had any panels from the burnt out solos survived from Elland's Christmas fire?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 21, 2016 19:02:49 GMT 1
The K-Line panels? Possibly off S626, the Centrebus panels off any number of the R/S reg solos withdrawn recently?!
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Post by jus363 on Jan 30, 2016 19:34:50 GMT 1
Noted this week in Halifax tiger blue solo 337 looking a mess with k line and centre bus panels also Yorkshire tiger double decker (missed the number) in orange but with arriva coloured back panels
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Post by 77syk7 on Jan 30, 2016 20:55:35 GMT 1
Absolutely agree 'jus363' - I have noticed a significant decline in standards recently within the Halifax area - it does not give the public confidence about an operator when they are unable to quickly recognise the owner. It could be a K-Line bus in light blue, an ageing Arriva bus with no clear mention of 'Yorkshire Tiger, a white double decker which could belong to anybody or their own vehicles which were originally bright orange but now see to be covered in grime. I also noticed yesterday in Bradford a double decker with 231/2 branding (Huddersfield -Dewsbury) on the 711 route. I know they are giving this up soon, but this is just not good enough. If their overall performance does not improve, they are unlikely to be the operator of the 80-84 / 262 etc group when the tenders are renewed this Summer.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 31, 2016 0:29:32 GMT 1
I think you are being a tad harsh on some of that considering they had a fire a month ago wiping out a third of their Halifax fleet. I'd personally excuse the buses in non standard liveries, but not the lack of a Yorkshire Tiger fleet name on any of those. Some travellers in the area will be used to it though considering how the HJC fleet looked in its last few years.
The 231/232 Olympus moved to Leeds following the collapse of Geldards Coaches. I assume the intention might be that it may head back to Huddersfield at some point.
I can't see any relevance to your last point considering that those services are mostly commercial, Waterloo operations are the better presented of the lot, and in any case tenders are based on price and possibly reliability, not vehicle presentation.
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Post by Burnside on Jan 31, 2016 1:04:51 GMT 1
In relation to the 231/232 branded Scania, it's no different to First or Arriva misallocating a branded bus on another route, at least Tiger have a reason for it (covering work taken from Geldards) rather than just putting any old bus out on whatever diagram comes to hand.
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Post by timelesstable on Jan 31, 2016 11:50:40 GMT 1
In relation to the 231/232 branded Scania, it's no different to First or Arriva misallocating a branded bus on another route, at least Tiger have a reason for it (covering work taken from Geldards) rather than just putting any old bus out on whatever diagram comes to hand. In fairness 905 the 231/2 branded Scania was the main stay of that decker board on 231/2 while it was at Waterloo
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Post by mutty on Jan 31, 2016 14:09:11 GMT 1
Absolutely agree 'jus363' - I have noticed a significant decline in standards recently within the Halifax area - it does not give the public confidence about an operator when they are unable to quickly recognise the owner. It could be a K-Line bus in light blue, an ageing Arriva bus with no clear mention of 'Yorkshire Tiger, a white double decker which could belong to anybody or their own vehicles which were originally bright orange but now see to be covered in grime. I also noticed yesterday in Bradford a double decker with 231/2 branding (Huddersfield -Dewsbury) on the 711 route. I know they are giving this up soon, but this is just not good enough. If their overall performance does not improve, they are unlikely to be the operator of the 80-84 / 262 etc group when the tenders are renewed this Summer. 231/2 branding for Wakefield - Huddersfield, goes nowhere near Dewsbury !
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Post by 77syk7 on Jan 31, 2016 17:11:09 GMT 1
Apologies if I have been a little harsh with Yorkshire Tiger - I do realise that they have lost 10 vehicles at Elland, but I am just expressing my opinions after general observations around Halifax and Bradford. However, there is no excuse for me quoting the wrong routes - 231/2 is of course Halifax - Wakefield. I was thinking if the 262 Huddersfield -Dewsbury route which is in the same batch. Thanks for pointing out my mistakes.
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Post by kevg on Jan 31, 2016 17:54:38 GMT 1
Apologies if I have been a little harsh with Yorkshire Tiger - I do realise that they have lost 10 vehicles at Elland, but I am just expressing my opinions after general observations around Halifax and Bradford. However, there is no excuse for me quoting the wrong routes - 231/2 is of course Halifax - Wakefield. I was thinking if the 262 Huddersfield -Dewsbury route which is in the same batch. Thanks for pointing out my mistakes. Well done again, 231/232 Halifax - Wakefield now? We all have those days where enthusiasm for something takes over & the brain doesn't engage right.
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Post by 77syk7 on Jan 31, 2016 18:02:11 GMT 1
Apologies if I have been a little harsh with Yorkshire Tiger - I do realise that they have lost 10 vehicles at Elland, but I am just expressing my opinions after general observations around Halifax and Bradford. However, there is no excuse for me quoting the wrong routes - 231/2 is of course Halifax - Wakefield. I was thinking if the 262 Huddersfield -Dewsbury route which is in the same batch. Thanks for pointing out my mistakes.
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Post by 77syk7 on Jan 31, 2016 18:04:44 GMT 1
Oh dear - at this rate I will not make it to my 500th post! Of course, 231/2 Huddersfield - Wakefield. Thanks 'kevg'.
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Post by gooderson1 on Jan 31, 2016 22:15:25 GMT 1
The heading is "The poor state of some vehicles". I would go so far as to say "The poor state of every vehicle". The vehicles rattle and roll, they are dirty both inside and out and a number of the vehicles still require reprinting into the new livery. Not a way to promote the company.
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Post by gooderson1 on Jan 31, 2016 22:16:54 GMT 1
Of course that should read "repainting". I should get to grips with predictive text.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 31, 2016 22:19:12 GMT 1
When was the last vehicle to be repainted?
A Couple of the presidents and 891/899 were done before September, has anything at any depot been done since?
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Post by Matty on Jan 31, 2016 22:22:52 GMT 1
Yorkshire tiger have been told by top bosses at Arriva not to paint anymore transfers into Yorkshire Tiger livery, they are all staying in Arriva livery. It won't be long until Tiger is merged in with Arriva Yorkshire
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Post by driver6540 on Jan 31, 2016 22:29:49 GMT 1
Oh dear - at this rate I will not make it to my 500th post! Of course, 231/2 Huddersfield - Wakefield. Thanks 'kevg'. Don't worry about it. You're just as entitled to express your opinions as anyone else on this forum, and, of course anyone can make a mistake. For what it's worth i too think there's been a general downward turn in vehicle appearance in the Yorkshire Tiger/Tiger Blue fleet and this commenced long before the Elland fire. Waterloo depot may still turn out the smartest vehicles in the tiger network, but malfunctioning destination blinds, mismatched and bent body panels and general exterior cleanliness don't seem to be the highest priorities to address for them, nor have been for a while. Could be wrong, and it's only an opinion, but i think things have been allowed to go a little bit "lax" in some regards since Martyn departed for Reading Buses.
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Post by driver6540 on Jan 31, 2016 22:32:05 GMT 1
Yorkshire tiger have been told by top bosses at Arriva not to paint anymore transfers into Yorkshire Tiger livery, they are all staying in Arriva livery. It won't be long until Tiger is merged in with Arriva Yorkshire And possibly then, sold off.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 31, 2016 23:44:46 GMT 1
Oh dear - at this rate I will not make it to my 500th post! Of course, 231/2 Huddersfield - Wakefield. Thanks 'kevg'. Don't worry about it. You're just as entitled to express your opinions as anyone else on this forum, and, of course anyone can make a mistake. For what it's worth i too think there's been a general downward turn in vehicle appearance in the Yorkshire Tiger/Tiger Blue fleet and this commenced long before the Elland fire. Waterloo depot may still turn out the smartest vehicles in the tiger network, but malfunctioning destination blinds, mismatched and bent body panels and general exterior cleanliness don't seem to be the highest priorities to address for them, nor have been for a while. Could be wrong, and it's only an opinion, but i think things have been allowed to go a little bit "lax" in some regards since Martyn departed for Reading Buses. Did someone actually replace Martyn or is it just being run by individual operational managers at each depot, with overall control of the Arriva Yorkshire management, who is obviously more preoccupied with Arriva Yorkshire itself?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 1, 2016 0:02:07 GMT 1
To answer my own question, it looks like they are running with an interim general manager at the moment but are recruiting for the next one. Let's hope the next one turns the company round
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Post by whereami on Feb 1, 2016 8:24:04 GMT 1
To answer my own question, it looks like they are running with an interim general manager at the moment but are recruiting for the next one. Let's hope the next one turns the company round That chap, is the one who replaced Martin, and this vacancy is to replace the chap, who was General Manager at Dewsbury, was seconded from Dewsbury to Elland, following Arriva taking over Centrebus/Huddersfield Bus Company/Kline, operations, and stayed there to run Yorkshire Tiger, who, has now left and joined Transdev Blackburn
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Post by wibble on Feb 1, 2016 9:36:38 GMT 1
Yorkshire tiger have been told by top bosses at Arriva not to paint anymore transfers into Yorkshire Tiger livery, they are all staying in Arriva livery. It won't be long until Tiger is merged in with Arriva Yorkshire Interesting to see how the merger would would work with Tigers low cost structure and minimal management layers, and Arriva's. I personally thought Tiger would be used to win tenders they started losing to Tates etc due to there lower overheads, but the latest Kirklees tenders Tiger didn't get a sniff, even if they attempted to?? But then you would get Tiger undercutting Arriva and I'm sure unions would be all over that and it gets messy.
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Post by gooderson1 on Feb 1, 2016 10:38:29 GMT 1
I note above a comment about not painting any more transfers. They have not painted all the vehicles they had when the "new companies" emerged. As for selling off I think it will require a buyer with "deep pockets" to replace the heap they currently operate.
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Post by whereami on Feb 1, 2016 16:04:30 GMT 1
Yorkshire tiger have been told by top bosses at Arriva not to paint anymore transfers into Yorkshire Tiger livery, they are all staying in Arriva livery. It won't be long until Tiger is merged in with Arriva Yorkshire Interesting to see how the merger would would work with Tigers low cost structure and minimal management layers, and Arriva's. I personally thought Tiger would be used to win tenders they started losing to Tates etc due to there lower overheads, but the latest Kirklees tenders Tiger didn't get a sniff, even if they attempted to?? But then you would get Tiger undercutting Arriva and I'm sure unions would be all over that and it gets messy. Apart from 229 Huddersfield-Leeds, if Tiger had put bid in for 252/256/212 tenders, wouldn't there be a lot of dead mileage to get to start points.
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Post by wibble on Feb 1, 2016 16:16:39 GMT 1
Interesting to see how the merger would would work with Tigers low cost structure and minimal management layers, and Arriva's. I personally thought Tiger would be used to win tenders they started losing to Tates etc due to there lower overheads, but the latest Kirklees tenders Tiger didn't get a sniff, even if they attempted to?? But then you would get Tiger undercutting Arriva and I'm sure unions would be all over that and it gets messy. Apart from 229 Huddersfield-Leeds, if Tiger had put bid in for 252/256/212 tenders, wouldn't there be a lot of dead mileage to get to start points. Hypothetically if they had of won any work it could have spread among there depots to reduce the lost mileage. LOT based in Brighouse is close to Elland depot etc
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