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Post by glennh2 on Jan 22, 2018 18:06:42 GMT 1
I saw it in the proposed timetable doc that was sent out by Northern to stakeholders some months ago because I am on HADRAG's mailing list
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Post by deerfold on Jan 22, 2018 21:42:04 GMT 1
Thought the last train was supposed to be 2349 and a through train from York? Me too, but that's not showing up at the moment. The latest through train from York I can see is the 2300 from Leeds. I also thought that Mon to Sat there were supposed to be 3 tph Leeds- Halifax- Man Vic and the Chester train was 2019 start plus the Calder Valley was supposed to be getting a Liverpool service? There's currently showing. 1 tph Leeds - Halifax - Hebden Bridge - Manchester - Manchester Airport 1 tph Leeds - Dewsbury - Hebden Bridge - Manchester - Southport 1 tph Leeds - Halifax - Hebden Bridge - Manchester - Chester 1 tph (York) - Leeds - Halifax - Hebden Bridge - Blackpool 1 tph Leeds - Halifax - Brighouse - Huddersfield
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Post by deerfold on Jan 22, 2018 21:51:21 GMT 1
I saw it in the proposed timetable doc that was sent out by Northern to stakeholders some months ago because I am on HADRAG's mailing list Talking of which, there's sill no sign of the 0728 from Halifax to Leeds whilst the 0718 becomes 0716 and the 0741 becomes 0743 - quite a gap unless there's any more trains to be added.
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Post by northerner on Jan 22, 2018 22:30:00 GMT 1
I saw it in the proposed timetable doc that was sent out by Northern to stakeholders some months ago because I am on HADRAG's mailing list Talking of which, there's sill no sign of the 0728 from Halifax to Leeds whilst the 0718 becomes 0716 and the 0741 becomes 0743 - quite a gap unless there's any more trains to be added. Isn't the Grand Central hire in supposed to be stopping? Some times are now loaded on to Open Train Times and it looks like the Calder Valley gets a very uneven spread in services with all 4 services departing Bradford for Leeds between xx:00 and xx:30 with a 30 minute gap - presumably so a timetable recast isn't necessary when the Nottingham service is added later
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Post by deerfold on Jan 23, 2018 0:40:55 GMT 1
Talking of which, there's sill no sign of the 0728 from Halifax to Leeds whilst the 0718 becomes 0716 and the 0741 becomes 0743 - quite a gap unless there's any more trains to be added. Isn't the Grand Central hire in supposed to be stopping? Some times are now loaded on to Open Train Times and it looks like the Calder Valley gets a very uneven spread in services with all 4 services departing Bradford for Leeds between xx:00 and xx:30 with a 30 minute gap - presumably so a timetable recast isn't necessary when the Nottingham service is added later It is, but HADRAG were calling for it or a similar service to run or risk the 0716/0743 leaving people behind.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 23, 2018 0:47:36 GMT 1
I was looking and everything seemed fairly good, the stopping TPE that I have reservations about isn’t that bad as it gets overtaken, so you can easily avoid it (although I am pessimistic that the timetable is robust enough to allow the overtake to occur with both trains on time)
They can’t surely be leaving that 30 minute gap between Bradford and Leeds every hour surely. I know they don’t have all extra rolling stock yet, but that is unacceptable. They’d better be making sure that the train that comes after 30 minutes is always a double unit.
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Post by Burnside on Jan 23, 2018 5:36:58 GMT 1
Just be aware that although Open Train Times have times for after the May timetable change, the info is not set in stone.
For example, i have it on good authority that after feedback from user groups, passengers and staff, the Leeds to Morecambe service will still run through. None of the planned changes for May are locked in and are subject to change.
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Post by northerner on Jan 23, 2018 8:12:03 GMT 1
Just be aware that although Open Train Times have times for after the May timetable change, the info is not set in stone. Indeed, the full timetables should be available in journey planners no later than 25th February
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Post by deerfold on Jan 23, 2018 11:38:14 GMT 1
Just be aware that although Open Train Times have times for after the May timetable change, the info is not set in stone. For example, i have it on good authority that after feedback from user groups, passengers and staff, the Leeds to Morecambe service will still run through. None of the planned changes for May are locked in and are subject to change. I did mention in my post that things could change. 4 of the services from Morecambe are already showing as going through to Leeds.
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Post by gledhill56 on Jan 23, 2018 14:01:58 GMT 1
If I am correct then the Huddersfield-Wakefield service will no longer serve Westgate Station. Bit of a hike across town to get to Westgate Station which has a larger variety of onward destinations than Kirkgate. As for stopping the Northern services between Leeds/Huddersfield and Manchester that would appear to increase journey times on the TPE. All in the name of progress. There will still be a Kirkgate to West gate service, I'll assume that this connects. This would defeat the object of the Huddersfield to Wakefield service being a connection for passengers heading to/from London surely?
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Post by adam on Jan 23, 2018 14:25:26 GMT 1
Looking at Opentimetrains it look like a 36 minute wait at Kirkgate (looking at 13:00 to 14:00 on a weekday) for Huddersfield to Westgate for Mainline connections. And 23 mins Westgate to Hudds
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Post by resolution on Jan 23, 2018 16:21:56 GMT 1
I am led to believe that there is considerable doubt within Northern that they will be able to implement many of the proposed changes due to a chronic shortage of rolling stock. Virtually all the cascaded units they have received so far are electric and are supposed to release diesels from Manchester - Bolton - Preston - Blackpool, the electrification of which is behind schedule. The promised cascades of diesel units (150s from GW and 170s from Scotland) have yet to materialise and time is running short for the various driver-training exercises that will be necessary for it all to happen.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 23, 2018 19:52:56 GMT 1
There will still be a Kirkgate to West gate service, I'll assume that this connects. This would defeat the object of the Huddersfield to Wakefield service being a connection for passengers heading to/from London surely? Do many still do that these days, as with the service via Leeds soon to be 6 times more frequent, it’s much easier to travel via Leeds than trying to connect in and out of an hourly service. You’ve also got Grand Central serving the Mirfield part of that service to London
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Post by Craig on Jan 23, 2018 20:48:34 GMT 1
The postponed Harrogate line improvements are now due to commence from May... hopefully!
This is two extra Leeds-Harrogate trains per hour Mon-Sat, initially planned to call only at Horsforth but now also planned to call at Hornbeam Park.
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Post by adam on Jan 24, 2018 11:33:05 GMT 1
The hope is to get 2 170s from Scotrail in the next couple of weeks. 1 will do driver training between Leeds and Nottingham the other will hopefully be parked in York platform 2 for static training along with a 156 for conductors to resign them. The cascade of trains from both GWR and SR should pick up pace soon the only spanner in the plan is the delay on the Bolton electrification so don’t know what the plan is there. As for the Huddersfield to Wakefield link it is still a very popular link at the moment but the journey planners will just send people to Leeds to connect with London and other long distance trains adding 30-60 mins on journey times. The focus seems to be getting the Knottingley to Wakefield line a through route to Leeds rather than maintaining the Huddersfield to Westgate link
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 13:18:40 GMT 1
Looking at Opentimetrains it look like a 36 minute wait at Kirkgate (looking at 13:00 to 14:00 on a weekday) for Huddersfield to Westgate for Mainline connections. And 23 mins Westgate to Hudds There is always the alternative of the Free City Bus which serves both stations
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Post by Burnside on Jan 24, 2018 17:06:21 GMT 1
Re: Extra trains on the 'Little North Western' (Skipton - Lancaster), the timetable from May currently looks as follows (May be subject to change):
WESTBOUND
Mon-Sat 08:19 Leeds to Lancaster 10:18 Leeds to Morecambe 12:18 Leeds to Morecambe 14:18 Leeds to Morecambe 17:24 Leeds to Morecambe 19:18 Leeds to Lancaster (Additional Saturday only 05:19 Skipton to Lancaster)
Sun 08:30 Leeds to Lancaster 10:24 Leeds to Lancaster 12:24 Leeds to Lancaster 15:24 Leeds to Lancaster 17:24 Leeds to Lancaster
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Mon-Sat 06:48 Lancaster to Leeds 09:32 Morecambe to Leeds 12:32 Morecambe to Leeds 14:32 Morecambe to Leeds 20:10 Morecambe to Leeds 21:30 Lancaster to Leeds
Sun 10:41 Lancaster to Leeds 12:39 Lancaster to Leeds 15:41 Lancaster to Leeds 17:41 Lancaster to Leeds 19:51 Lancaster to Leeds
NOTES: The 08:19 from Leeds terminates at Lancaster with a 45 minute wait for a Morecambe train, giving an arrival in Morecambe of 10:59 compared to 10:31 OR 10:32 at present. In contrast there is only a 22 minute connection off the 19:18 from Leeds. From Morecambe (Mon-Sat) would need to leave at 05:55 to make the 06:48 from Lancaster to Leeds, a wait of 43 minutes, while leaving Morecambe at 21:08 will give a neat 12 minute connection into the 21:30 Lancaster to Skipton. On Sundays, there is a 17 minute connection at Lancaster on journeys towards Morecambe, except the first train (08:30) which gives just 5 minutes. From Morecambe, there is no connection into the 10:41 from Lancaster, while all other journeys involve a 40 or so minute wait at Lancaster.
An interesting point, and one which makes me wonder if there is more 'updates' to come before the info is finalised, is that the 06:48 from Lancaster seems as though it will be operated by crew from the Lancashire side as opposed to crew from Skipton as the early Skipton to Lancaster is only showing as running on Saturdays. Also, the gap in service between the 14:32 and 20:10 services from Morecambe is somewhat at odds with the even spread of services from Leeds, so keep an eye out.
ELSEWHERE: Changes to Wharfedale services see the first weekday trains from Ilkley to Bradford retimed. Currently the first 2 trains are at 06:17 and 06:52, but from the new timetable, will depart at 05:50 and 06:51. Also Ilkley to Leeds trains appear to be losing their calls at Kirkstall Forge.
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Post by northerner on Jan 24, 2018 22:21:52 GMT 1
The hope is to get 2 170s from Scotrail in the next couple of weeks. 1 will do driver training between Leeds and Nottingham the other will hopefully be parked in York platform 2 for static training along with a 156 for conductors to resign them. The cascade of trains from both GWR and SR should pick up pace soon the only spanner in the plan is the delay on the Bolton electrification so don’t know what the plan is there. As for the Huddersfield to Wakefield link it is still a very popular link at the moment but the journey planners will just send people to Leeds to connect with London and other long distance trains adding 30-60 mins on journey times. The focus seems to be getting the Knottingley to Wakefield line a through route to Leeds rather than maintaining the Huddersfield to Westgate link Interesting that 156s are returning to Yorkshire, any ideas which routes they may work? Regarding the Huddersfield-Wakefield link, for Huddersfield passengers would it not be easier to travel via Manchester, as London services are every 20 minutes?
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Post by gooderson1 on Jan 24, 2018 23:36:24 GMT 1
Just checked the National Rail website. Huddersfield to Wakefield Westgate via Kirkgate fare is £4-00(single) Fare between Hudderfield and Wakefield via Leeds is £5-90p(single)
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Post by driver6540 on Jan 24, 2018 23:49:15 GMT 1
The hope is to get 2 170s from Scotrail in the next couple of weeks. 1 will do driver training between Leeds and Nottingham the other will hopefully be parked in York platform 2 for static training along with a 156 for conductors to resign them. The cascade of trains from both GWR and SR should pick up pace soon the only spanner in the plan is the delay on the Bolton electrification so don’t know what the plan is there. As for the Huddersfield to Wakefield link it is still a very popular link at the moment but the journey planners will just send people to Leeds to connect with London and other long distance trains adding 30-60 mins on journey times. The focus seems to be getting the Knottingley to Wakefield line a through route to Leeds rather than maintaining the Huddersfield to Westgate link Interesting that 156s are returning to Yorkshire, any ideas which routes they may work? Regarding the Huddersfield-Wakefield link, for Huddersfield passengers would it not be easier to travel via Manchester, as London services are every 20 minutes? It maybe easier, but from what i've seen its a lot more expensive than connecting with the ECML.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 25, 2018 0:04:30 GMT 1
Just checked the National Rail website. Huddersfield to Wakefield Westgate via Kirkgate fare is £4-00(single) Fare between Hudderfield and Wakefield via Leeds is £5-90p(single) Why would you go Huddersfield to Wakefield via Leeds, the direct train is still running, it’s just only serving Kirkgate.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 25, 2018 0:08:05 GMT 1
Interesting that 156s are returning to Yorkshire, any ideas which routes they may work? Regarding the Huddersfield-Wakefield link, for Huddersfield passengers would it not be easier to travel via Manchester, as London services are every 20 minutes? It maybe easier, but from what i've seen its a lot more expensive than connecting with the ECML. There is also the traditional geographical notion that going to London via Manchester is unusual behaviour only undertaken by someone attempting a Martin Lewis style saving. Yorkshire people would use the ECML (or the MML) them is the rules.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jan 25, 2018 0:20:25 GMT 1
North Bradford Electrics
The Kirkstall Forge call (still mainly an hourly service) seems to be taken up by the Leeds - Shipley stopping trains (as on Sundays), so that's the Bradford Forster Square daytimes or Skipton on weekday evenings.
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Post by dennisthemenace504 on Jan 25, 2018 7:13:19 GMT 1
Interesting that 156s are returning to Yorkshire, any ideas which routes they may work? Regarding the Huddersfield-Wakefield link, for Huddersfield passengers would it not be easier to travel via Manchester, as London services are every 20 minutes? It maybe easier, but from what i've seen its a lot more expensive than connecting with the ECML. I've just looked up Huddersfield - London, leaving 0800, Sat 7th April, and going via either Leeds or Wakefield Westgate the price is £30 single, when booked today. Whereas, leaving at the same time, and travelling via Man Pic, to arrive at Euston instead of Kings Cross is a mind blowing £24 single. Normally, if I were off to London for weekend, I would go down from Leeds, but, knowing that I could get there cheaper, going via Man Pic, I may now look at that way for a change.
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Post by gooderson1 on Jan 25, 2018 7:40:38 GMT 1
WYBus. The posting about fares refers to the changes to services in May. Apparently the Huddersfield-Kirkgate-Westgate direct service is being altered to run Hudderfield-Kirkgate-Castelford(no more direct service). Hence my comment about the train fare.
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