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Post by driver6540 on Jan 19, 2017 0:28:01 GMT 1
Even the venerable class 158's which have had refurb after refurb (through all their various operators) will be approaching 30 years old in a year or two. Whilst still a class act (for now), how long they continue to hold up is anyone's guess really. How long till the cascaded Scotrail 170's and new CAF Civity's arrive?. Until they do, it looks like the 158's will shoulder the burden of Northern's longer distance services for a while longer.
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Post by Kenton Schweppes on Jan 19, 2017 22:24:24 GMT 1
Even the venerable class 158's which have had refurb after refurb (through all their various operators) will be approaching 30 years old in a year or two. Whilst still a class act (for now), how long they continue to hold up is anyone's guess really. How long till the cascaded Scotrail 170's and new CAF Civity's arrive?. Until they do, it looks like the 158's will shoulder the burden of Northern's longer distance services for a while longer. The 158's are decent workhorses and still have plenty to offer, little slow on acceleration but still decent if given a proper refurb. East Midlands 158's on the Liverpool Norwich route are refurbed to a high standard so there is no reason why Northern's couldn't be too.
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Post by biroguy on Jan 20, 2017 10:41:56 GMT 1
I don`t think anyone is denying that the 158`s are bad, refurbed they are fine. It`s more the principal of age and the constant fare rises, since 2006 fares have rocketed and yet most Northern routes are destined to have 20 year plus trains indefinately. I would scrap all the Sprinters, they`ve had their day. Great in 1987 but not in 2017. 158`s offer a better ambience and have a role to play but are hopeless on my route through Harrogate with all the standing commuters.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jan 20, 2017 19:08:10 GMT 1
What interests me is that 158s are used in pairs for some journeys on the Settle-Carlisle line, however it's often the case that a single coach 153 would be more than enough due to the dramatic drop in passenger numbers. As an example, the 16.55 arrival into Leeds has 4 coaches every time I've used it, could one of the 158 units be better used to give a peak time journey departing Leeds between 4 and 5pm some extra seats?
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Post by deerfold on Jan 20, 2017 19:22:16 GMT 1
How were you thinking of getting the unit into Leeds before 4? What are you going to do with the peak train at 1752 which currently uses both units?
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jan 20, 2017 19:36:57 GMT 1
Well it is a massive waste of a train, if it went on to do a more popular run from Carlisle to Newcastle I'd understand the need for such a long train. Why do both units need to even leave Leeds? I often see extra carriages shunted from Leeds to Neville Hill on a morning so I'm assuming these come back to be used on the PM peak, could the second 158 be used this way? Finally, I thought the 16.55 from Carlisle went on to do an 18.06 back to Carlisle, there is a journey to Skipton 10 mins earlier, does it really get that full? That's bad if it does!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 20, 2017 20:04:05 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with a sprinter as long as they have a full comprehensive refurbishment. The class 150s are a bit grim, but there is nothing wrong with the 156s and 158s. The main issue is that Northern refurbishments are usually very basic, a few new seat covers and nothing much else.
Be thankful the pacers are going and northern are actually getting new DMUs for the first time since privatisation.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 20, 2017 22:37:30 GMT 1
Well it is a massive waste of a train, if it went on to do a more popular run from Carlisle to Newcastle I'd understand the need for such a long train. Why do both units need to even leave Leeds? I often see extra carriages shunted from Leeds to Neville Hill on a morning so I'm assuming these come back to be used on the PM peak, could the second 158 be used this way? Finally, I thought the 16.55 from Carlisle went on to do an 18.06 back to Carlisle, there is a journey to Skipton 10 mins earlier, does it really get that full? That's bad if it does! I'm struggling to follow your times. Are you actually on about a five to five arrival at Leeds as in your first post? If you are that seems to go out as a local Leeds to York service at 1752. The 1806 out is the 1738 arrival from Appleby.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jan 21, 2017 8:46:34 GMT 1
Well it is a massive waste of a train, if it went on to do a more popular run from Carlisle to Newcastle I'd understand the need for such a long train. Why do both units need to even leave Leeds? I often see extra carriages shunted from Leeds to Neville Hill on a morning so I'm assuming these come back to be used on the PM peak, could the second 158 be used this way? Finally, I thought the 16.55 from Carlisle went on to do an 18.06 back to Carlisle, there is a journey to Skipton 10 mins earlier, does it really get that full? That's bad if it does! I can't believe this idiot on here, this moron above has clearly lost all his common sense, how the hell does he expect this double 158 set to even get to Carlisle, next thing he'll be telling you all it can attach itself to the rail replacement coach at Armathwate! Can't believe this buffoon is allowed to write such nonsense!
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jan 21, 2017 8:53:30 GMT 1
I'm struggling to follow your times. Are you actually on about a five to five arrival at Leeds as in your first post? If you are that seems to go out as a local Leeds to York service at 1752. The 1806 out is the 1738 arrival from Appleby. It usually comes into platform 2. Then a train from Ilkley also comes into platform 2 which goes out as the 1756 to Skipton. Yep, that should have said 16.55 arrival from Carlisle. Never realised it was the 17.38 arrival which went on to do the 18.06, I always thought the 17.38 arrival would go on to do the 19.22 to Ribblehead to allow more time just in case of late running, soon shows you how much notice I take lol.
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Post by tinrocket on Jan 24, 2017 16:50:11 GMT 1
I know the 1049 from Leeds to Carlisle tends to be busy with group bookings between Settle and Carlisle hence the extra unit, but not sure if still the case during the line closure.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jan 24, 2017 22:28:49 GMT 1
I know the 1049 from Leeds to Carlisle tends to be busy with group bookings between Settle and Carlisle hence the extra unit, but not sure if still the case during the line closure. Rather strangely it hasn't been nowhere near busy on any of the journeys I've used Mon to Fri, and comment has been made by many trolley attendants that it's gone quiet since the closure. I thought many people used this line for walking and to watch the scenery, not just the numbers using it to access Carlisle? Can't believe a small closed section at the end of the line has turned people away in droves!
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Post by biroguy on Jan 25, 2017 1:00:11 GMT 1
I know the 1049 from Leeds to Carlisle tends to be busy with group bookings between Settle and Carlisle hence the extra unit, but not sure if still the case during the line closure. Rather strangely it hasn't been nowhere near busy on any of the journeys I've used Mon to Fri, and comment has been made by many trolley attendants that it's gone quiet since the closure. I thought many people used this line for walking and to watch the scenery, not just the numbers using it to access Carlisle? Can't believe a small closed section at the end of the line has turned people away in droves! In my experience most passengers do the full line experience, getting a seat at either Carlisle or Leeds is a real challenge on a two coach train! Many people also believe that the full line is shut. I`m sure passenger numbers will rocket on reopening in March.
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Post by tinrocket on Jan 26, 2017 18:05:02 GMT 1
I know the 1049 from Leeds to Carlisle tends to be busy with group bookings between Settle and Carlisle hence the extra unit, but not sure if still the case during the line closure. Rather strangely it hasn't been nowhere near busy on any of the journeys I've used Mon to Fri, and comment has been made by many trolley attendants that it's gone quiet since the closure. I thought many people used this line for walking and to watch the scenery, not just the numbers using it to access Carlisle? Can't believe a small closed section at the end of the line has turned people away in droves! A shame really as imo passengers travelling for the scenery aren't missing a great deal and I hear Appleby is a nice place to visit.
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Post by Marcus on Jan 27, 2017 0:46:39 GMT 1
150275 has apparently gone back up to Kilmarnock
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Post by biroguy on Jan 27, 2017 1:47:26 GMT 1
Refurbs are dull as dishwater, not the new broom we were promised, no surprises there as Arriva have never been good at running trains! Despite the promises things have got worse, shorter trains, higher fares, dreadful huge paper tickets! No one expected miracles overnight but staff morale has collapsed. Most of the network will never see a new train with clapped out cast offs from Great Western and Scotland. We deserve better than this.
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Post by northerner on Jan 27, 2017 23:31:17 GMT 1
Refurbs are dull as dishwater, not the new broom we were promised, no surprises there as Arriva have never been good at running trains! Despite the promises things have got worse, shorter trains, higher fares, dreadful huge paper tickets! No one expected miracles overnight but staff morale has collapsed. Most of the network will never see a new train with clapped out cast offs from Great Western and Scotland. We deserve better than this. The shorter trains isn't down to Arriva, it was DfT who transferred the 170s from TPE to Chiltern, which in turn made less 185s available to Northern so there was a unit reshuffle. Apparently the paper tickets will reduce in size shortly, and again this isn't directly down to Arriva. In all honesty I doubt many people will notice the difference between Serco/Abellio and Arriva, I can't and I use Northern most days
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 12:58:39 GMT 1
Refurbs are dull as dishwater, not the new broom we were promised, no surprises there as Arriva have never been good at running trains! Despite the promises things have got worse, shorter trains, higher fares, dreadful huge paper tickets! No one expected miracles overnight but staff morale has collapsed. Most of the network will never see a new train with clapped out cast offs from Great Western and Scotland. We deserve better than this. The quality of the refurbished trains is shocking Ill fitting seats in bases, seat covers not refitted correctly, the visual display on the ceiling is an absolute waste doesn't show anything except train destination they clearly spent pence on these!
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Post by biroguy on Mar 13, 2017 23:50:12 GMT 1
There`s a talk tomorrow night, 6pm at Oxford Place Chapel, next to Leeds Town Hall, "Pacergeddon" The future of Arriva Rail north. It`s free to attend, there will be a representative from Arriva Rail North talking about their future plans.
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Post by adam on May 7, 2017 17:28:04 GMT 1
The 1st refurbished 155 is on its way back Yorkshire
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Post by boeing737229adv on May 7, 2017 21:33:46 GMT 1
The 1st refurbished 155 is on its way back Yorkshire I'll be sure to look out for it at Hudds!
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Post by boeing737229adv on May 7, 2017 21:37:06 GMT 1
Those LED screens are clearly very cheap ones, they flicker in a most annoying way!
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Post by biroguy on Jun 7, 2017 19:59:46 GMT 1
I had the pleasure of travelling on the "Porterbrook 144E Evolution" pacer this morning and I have to say I was impressed, the seating allows more legroom, the relationship to the windows, general ambience made for a rather nice journey. So much nicer than the "Deafening Sprinters", it may have less wheels but who cares, it was quiet and comfortable.
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Post by pontecarlo on Jun 8, 2017 7:52:13 GMT 1
I'm not sure I agree with you on comfort. Just like the new GTR 387s, the seats lack any give whatsoever. They're like ironing boards! Currently sat on 142095 which has the more comfy high backed seats
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Post by biroguy on Jun 8, 2017 8:03:56 GMT 1
As someone over six foot, the extra legroom on a pacer was a huge bonus, the cushions could be softer I agree.
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