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Post by deerfold on Apr 7, 2019 23:14:53 GMT 1
It's impressive how with 4 or 5 trains an hour from Halifax to Bradford they've managed to put a 27 minute gap in nearly every hour.
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Post by Burnside on Apr 8, 2019 18:05:37 GMT 1
It's very difficult to get an even spread of services when 1 per hour comes from Preston, 2 from Manchester Victoria and 1 from Huddersfield, all of which have to be fitted in around other services at those points (in the case of Preston and Huddersfield, it's likely longer distance operators such as Virgin and TPE get priority on paths) and theres the Man Vic to Leeds via Brighouse, Man Vic to Blackburn via Todmorden and GC to fit in, plus conflicting moves at Bradford with trains heading the other way and then what paths get allocated into Leeds.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Apr 8, 2019 18:53:13 GMT 1
Thanks for the times for Chester departures. I wasn't actually asking for the times, the point I was making was that details of the new route are not readily available and alongside the Leeds -> Southport service are not advertised, timetables just show times to MCV then the terminal is only shown as a footnote
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Post by glennh2 on Apr 8, 2019 19:45:18 GMT 1
The Chester trains are covered by the Leeds to Manchester Vic and Manchester to Warrington , Liverpool and Ellesmere Port timetables. Neither of which actually have a timetable for Chester station in them.
Chester to Manchester via Warrington is a Transport for Wales timetable due to them being the current operator of the hourly service that runs at present from Manchester to Chester and the North Wales Coast. Maybe they will also list the new Northern service as well?
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Post by deerfold on Apr 8, 2019 19:58:47 GMT 1
It's very difficult to get an even spread of services when 1 per hour comes from Preston, 2 from Manchester Victoria and 1 from Huddersfield, all of which have to be fitted in around other services at those points (in the case of Preston and Huddersfield, it's likely longer distance operators such as Virgin and TPE get priority on paths) and theres the Man Vic to Leeds via Brighouse, Man Vic to Blackburn via Todmorden and GC to fit in, plus conflicting moves at Bradford with trains heading the other way and then what paths get allocated into Leeds. That's true, but I can't see many passengers getting excited about new destinations when it results in such a poor local service - 30 years ago there was a roughly half hourly service from Sowerby Bridge to Bradford. Now there'll be two an hour 7 or 8 minutes apart. A decent commuter service is being ruined for what?
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Post by glennh2 on Apr 8, 2019 23:31:28 GMT 1
I think the gap will be plugged by the promised 3rd train from Bradford to Manchester. Hopefully in December
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Post by ratty on Apr 9, 2019 10:11:06 GMT 1
On the Blackpool to York line, whilst having a look at the May alterations, whilst good to see the link back, something strange happens with the last eastbound. If you want to get to say Bradford, you have to change at Hebden Bridge, wait quarter of an hour for a Man Vic service, because the Blackpool train runs non-stop to Leeds (presumably via Brighouse). Wonder how many will not make the change, and find themselves in Leeds at midnight with no trains until 5/6 the next morning, especially if the guard employed on the night locks himself in the rear cab and fails to remind people.🤔🤔
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Post by adam on Apr 9, 2019 13:52:37 GMT 1
The last one off Blackpool is an extra service compared to current timings so there is no loss of station stops but the opposite of creating an additional later service albeit with a change for stops between Hebden and Leeds. Also doesn’t stop at Poulton Le Fylde
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on May 4, 2019 22:06:56 GMT 1
Newly Refurbished 333 001 will be heading back to the paintshop soon seen at Ilkley with graffiti on one coach & 1 of the cabs
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Post by adam on May 5, 2019 9:03:46 GMT 1
Newly Refurbished 333 001 will be heading back to the paintshop soon seen at Ilkley with graffiti on one coach & 1 of the cabs Or just washed off at Neville Hill or Skipton Broughton Road
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Post by glennh2 on May 14, 2019 23:22:40 GMT 1
Glad the 2338 Leeds to Halifax train stayed in the timetable this year. They have made a late change to it with the addition of a Low Moor stop according to RTT. I hope plenty of people take advantage of the new later train from Leeds
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Post by deerfold on May 15, 2019 14:02:16 GMT 1
Glad the 2338 Leeds to Halifax train stayed in the timetable this year. They have made a late change to it with the addition of a Low Moor stop according to RTT. I hope plenty of people take advantage of the new later train from Leeds Shame it doesn't run on a Saturday. I wonder how many people that will catch out!
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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 26, 2019 7:48:51 GMT 1
The Chester trains are covered by the Leeds to Manchester Vic and Manchester to Warrington , Liverpool and Ellesmere Port timetables. Neither of which actually have a timetable for Chester station in them. Chester to Manchester via Warrington is a Transport for Wales timetable due to them being the current operator of the hourly service that runs at present from Manchester to Chester and the North Wales Coast. Maybe they will also list the new Northern service as well? Seems that northern have listened to comments, and a new Route 47 timetable has appeared. d2cf7kiw5xizhy.cloudfront.net/images/timetables/bucket/chester-to-leeds-2388.pdf However, Chester doesn't appear on the printed departure sheet at Bradford Interchange though.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on May 26, 2019 8:26:09 GMT 1
Note the new timetables for May 2019 are available on the northern railway site. No details of the new Chester trains available. Note some sections of route are not served on Sundays. York->Blackpool North will start at Leeds Leeds->Morecambe will turn back at Lancaster Trains from Leeds have terminated at Lancaster on Sundays since the start of this current timetable back in December. Easy connection to the Lancaster to Morecambe shuttle though. Leeds to Chester is approx. hourly (05:39 - 19:39 from Leeds and 06:17, approx hourly 08:20 - 17:16 then 19:16 and 20:20 from Chester) on Monday - Saturday. The notable exception is the 15:38 from Leeds which on weekdays goes instead to Ellesmere Port via Frodsham and Helsby. Elsewhere (apologies if already noted), the Leeds to Lincoln service is accelerated between Sheffield and Lincoln with the introduction of a new Sheffield to Gainsborough Central service which takes the calls at intermediate stops the Leeds service previously made. Re: Leeds-Morecambe Yes, it may be a handy connection to Morecambe at Lancaster, but substitution of a direct Morecambe to Leeds service on Sundays with a 33-minute wait at Lancaster is not what I would call a handy connection...
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Post by 77syk7 on Jun 4, 2019 11:07:20 GMT 1
Only just realised yesterday that Halifax only has 2 trains an hour to Manchester during the day (unevenly spaced), but the smaller Calder Valley towns Sowerby Bridge / Hebden Bridge have 3 per hour! Surely the largest town in Calderdale, Halifax should have the highest frequency? Somewhat annoyed yesterday that the 0816 train to Manchester & Chester was cancelled - this would have involved a 40 minute wait to catch the next one at 0856. As there is so little to do in Halifax station, I caught the 0825 to Hebden and then caught the next train 0905 from there to Manchester. It really is not good enough when you have tickets for longer distances and your train without warning is cancelled. On a positive note, I was pleased to note that the return journey from Man Vic at 2058 arrives in Halifax at 2142 - I do believe that at 44 minutes this is the quickest yet! It was bang on time.
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Post by deerfold on Jun 4, 2019 13:23:37 GMT 1
Only just realised yesterday that Halifax only has 2 trains an hour to Manchester during the day (unevenly spaced), but the smaller Calder Valley towns Sowerby Bridge / Hebden Bridge have 3 per hour! Surely the largest town in Calderdale, Halifax should have the highest frequency? Somewhat annoyed yesterday that the 0816 train to Manchester & Chester was cancelled - this would have involved a 40 minute wait to catch the next one at 0856. As there is so little to do in Halifax station, I caught the 0825 to Hebden and then caught the next train 0905 from there to Manchester. It really is not good enough when you have tickets for longer distances and your train without warning is cancelled. On a positive note, I was pleased to note that the return journey from Man Vic at 2058 arrives in Halifax at 2142 - I do believe that at 44 minutes this is the quickest yet! It was bang on time. Most hours Sowerby Bridge has only 2 trains an hour to Manchester. It's also gone from the half-hourly frequency it once had to Halifax and Bradford to a 53 minute gap in most hours. Halifax gets more trains overall than Hebden Bridge or Sowerby Bridge. The only way to give Halifax a third service to Manchester each hour, using the same resources, would be to remove the direct service between Brighouse and Manchester.
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Post by biroguy on Jun 10, 2019 19:58:20 GMT 1
Not the big revolution in rail travel we were promised when Arriva took over in 2016. Still no sign of any brand new trains, timetables are actually worse in many cases, on the Harrogate line, Burley Park and Headingley now have trains racing through carrying fresh air! Even the Horsforth shuttle misses these stations out at 16:45.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jun 15, 2019 23:51:06 GMT 1
DECEMBER 2019
Future services in West Yorkshire as set out in the timetable bid to network rail (selected):
Leeds -> Lancaster -> Morecambe -> Heysham Harbour (Sundays) ¹
Hull -> Brough -> Selby -> Bradford Interchange -> Halifax ²
Bradford Interchange -> Halifax -> Huddersfield³
Blackburn/Leeds -> Todmorden -> Wigan ⁴
Leeds -> Wakefield Westgate °
Notes ¹ currently terminates at Lancaster on Sundays ² current Selby -> Leeds extended in both directions ³ Mondays to Saturdays current service will commence at Bradford and not run through from Leeds ⁴ via Atherton and terminates at Wigan North Western or mainly Wigan Wallgate, with stations beyond served by revised Alderley Edge/Stalybridge -> Wigan Wallgate -> Southport services
° Additional paths bid for (hourly service), but it is not clear what these are to be used for.
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Post by deerfold on Jun 16, 2019 8:25:48 GMT 1
DECEMBER 2019 Planned services in West Yorkshire (selected): Leeds -> Lancaster -> Morecambe (Sundays) ¹ Hull -> Selby -> Bradford Interchange -> Halifax ² Bradford Interchange -> Halifax -> Huddersfield ³ Blackburn/Leeds -> Todmorden -> Wigan ⁴ Notes ¹ currently terminates at Lancaster on Sundays ² current Selby -> Leeds extended in both directions. ³ Mondays to Saturdays current service will commence at Bradford and not run through from Leeds ⁴ terminates Wigan Wallgate, replaced by Alderley Edge/Stalybridge -> Wigan Wallgate -> Southport routes. Have these been confirmed somewhere?
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jun 16, 2019 11:43:21 GMT 1
Yes these are the confirmed bids for the December timetable as sent to network rail, obviously no actual times as yet.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jun 25, 2019 15:39:23 GMT 1
1 July sees the first of the new CAF 331 trains enter service on the Doncaster -> Leeds route.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 29, 2019 21:12:34 GMT 1
1 July sees the first of the new CAF 331 trains enter service on the Doncaster -> Leeds route. There should also be the first 195s on Manchester Airport - Barrow via Preston / Liverpool via Warrington Central.
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Post by chas on Jul 2, 2019 13:31:02 GMT 1
1 July sees the first of the new CAF 331 trains enter service on the Doncaster -> Leeds route. Attachments:
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jul 6, 2019 15:49:40 GMT 1
1 July sees the first of the new CAF 331 trains enter service on the Doncaster -> Leeds route. Furthermore, most Manchester Aiport to Barrow or Liverpool (via Warrington) trains have been 195s since Monday.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jul 8, 2019 8:48:18 GMT 1
Furthermore, most Manchester Aiport to Barrow or Liverpool (via Warrington) trains have been 195s since Monday. I am only including West Yorkshire observations
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