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Mar 9, 2016 21:18:11 GMT 1
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Post by chrisboy96 on Mar 9, 2016 21:18:11 GMT 1
Currently at Hunslet for its MOT, certain panels are removed to allow the VOSA Tester to inspect vital elements. True but this should be done on site and there were sharp edges clearly visible in the condition is was being moved on the public highway. The situation has being happening since the Streetcars were new, no law or regulation is being broken and no increased risk being presented to pedestrians or other road users. First is a large company wise to all issues affecting it.
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Post by timelesstable on Mar 9, 2016 21:52:50 GMT 1
First is a large company wise to all issues affecting it. Pity the same couldn't be said about Stagecoach: Stagecoach loses court case over £11m tax avoidance scheme www.theguardian.com/business/2016/mar/07/stagecoach-loses-court-case-over-11m-tax-avoidance-schemeA complex tax avoidance scheme being used by transport group Stagecoach to wipe £11m off its tax bill has been defeated in the tax courts. In a 56-page ruling, a judge, Gordon Reid QC, found that the scheme, devised with the help of tax experts at KPMG, fell foul of tax avoidance legislation. The scheme involved shifting money between companies within the Stagecoach group to create a large loss in one of them without a corresponding gain in any other.
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Post by chrisboy96 on Mar 10, 2016 12:51:34 GMT 1
19022 resurrected from Cherry Row this morning, awaiting pre service work before its annual trip on the 72.
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Post by rst1987 on Mar 10, 2016 15:27:26 GMT 1
19022 resurrected from Cherry Row this morning, awaiting pre service work before its annual trip on the 72. If it's still out in service after 9:30am i'll be looking for it
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Mar 10, 2016 16:23:02 GMT 1
Post by Craig on Mar 10, 2016 16:23:02 GMT 1
Have I missed something; why do these two vehicles need to be hauled out of service once a year for one return trip? Are there any advantages to this that I can't see?
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Post by chrisboy96 on Mar 10, 2016 17:16:48 GMT 1
Have I missed something; why do these two vehicles need to be hauled out of service once a year for one return trip? Are there any advantages to this that I can't see? It's part of the legal requirement for the 72 contract, contingency spares.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Mar 13, 2016 13:49:10 GMT 1
I meant for the journeys on a Sunday. When the ftr was introduced some years ago they struggled to keep to time. Spoke too soon. Not sure which bus I've caught but three in a row due at Bramley shortly ...
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Post by chrisboy96 on Mar 15, 2016 18:17:18 GMT 1
19022 is more than likely to do a round trip on the 72 tomorrow morning, all work is completed and it's ready for passenger use.
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Post by pub146g on May 5, 2016 20:23:06 GMT 1
Anybody in the mood for a rumour? Yes? Well actually I'm just resurrecting the old one about Ftr withdrawl. There appears to be heightened activity now surrounding the future of the Ftrs with a possible withdraw from Leeds use by mid summer and that some at least will head south for a new lease of life. My contacts who still work at First say all affected staff will try to be redeployed where possible.
Right, I'm logging off now before the rumour police come steaming in! :-)
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Post by ricardoat4 on May 12, 2016 15:54:38 GMT 1
Leeds Buses on Facebook 35212 - 28 are destined for Bramley to release Streetcars from 72 to go to storage with possible further use in Leeds on Park and Rides
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Post by ricardoat4 on May 13, 2016 7:40:01 GMT 1
In recent times of decker operation on the 72, Bradford had the route. It switched to Bramley with the ftrs. Now it looks set to be Streetdecks, it's obviously staying with Leeds. Of course Leeds had it before Bradford and in the glory days of BCT and LCT it was shared. RIP blue slugs?? No offence.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on May 13, 2016 19:33:49 GMT 1
In recent times of decker operation on the 72, Bradford had the route. It switched to Bramley with the ftrs. Now it looks set to be Streetdecks, it's obviously staying with Leeds. Of course Leeds had it before Bradford and in the glory days of BCT and LCT it was shared. RIP blue slugs?? No offence. 9 years service, (10 if you include the York ones 19001-11) the Bendi's were a trend of the 2000s they've fallen out of favour in today's 2010s market. Life for the Bendi bus is shorter than a standard single or double decker. Even on the 4 when they were the purple people Eaters they tried.
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Post by ricardoat4 on May 14, 2016 8:47:03 GMT 1
I wonder if the Streetdecks are really for the 72 why aren't they "hypered up"? Thought the Hyper Link brand was quite clever really given the 7 minute frequency.
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Post by pub146g on May 14, 2016 11:08:27 GMT 1
I wonder if the Streetdecks are really for the 72 why aren't they "hypered up"? Thought the Hyper Link brand was quite clever really given the 7 minute frequency. I'm suspecting that if the rumoured split of the X6 into two parts happens later this year then more emphasis will be put on that service as the main link between the cities, certainly for end to end users although it would need an increase in frequency. Even now, myself and I'm sure lot's of others making the journey would choose X6 over 72 for speed (Thornbury cycle lane roadworks permitting!). The 72 would still be used by people who live off the X6 route or at times when X6 doesn't run, I tend to only use 72 on an evening to get back to Leeds if I'm in Bradford after X6 has stopped running.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 14, 2016 19:04:09 GMT 1
I expect 99% of people traveling end to end Bradford to Leeds already use the X6 rather than the 72, at times when the X6 runs, regardless of any current branding or any past, current or future vehicles used.
Secondly, where did the idea about splitting the X6 come from?
Loads of people travel across Bradford on the X6, splitting it would remove half its purpose.
In any case, Bradford are receiving 10 Streetdecks, which matches the current X6 PVR
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Post by whereami on May 14, 2016 20:50:39 GMT 1
I expect 99% of people traveling end to end Bradford to Leeds already use the X6 rather than the 72, at times when the X6 runs, regardless of any current branding or any past, current or future vehicles used. Secondly, where did the idea about splitting the X6 come from? Loads of people travel across Bradford on the X6, splitting it would remove half its purpose. In any case, Bradford are receiving 10 Streetdecks, which matches the current X6 PVR I think the split idea has come about due to Sundays where X6 runs Bradford - Leeds only
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Post by pub146g on May 15, 2016 4:18:57 GMT 1
My earlier post was in direct response to the question as to why the Streetdecks aren’t branded, or” hypered up” and the answer to that is that the 72 is not and should never have been seen as the “high profile” service between Leeds and Bradford it was purported to be in 2012 and now it is realised this is in fact true, hence no branding.
Since it’s introduction in Oct 2012 the Hyperlink has sat uneasy against the X6 because at the time of the launch, the 72 Streetcars were said to be “at the centrepiece of a rapid transit-style service between Leeds and Bradford”. Also the PR went on about how it was hoped people commuting between the two cities would use the 72 in lieu of their cars etc etc. Erm, excuse me, what about the X6? This already runs and is a lot faster! The 72 in the main serves those making local journeys or boarding at stops where the X6 doesn’t stop but not in 100 years should it be seen as the rapid transit style service between Leeds and Bradford it pretended to be.
The idea of splitting the X6 has been rumbling on for some time, I used to serve on the Passenger Consultative Committee meetings held by the WYITA until it was dissolved in 2014 and even then there were lots of complaints about X6 unreliability, often caused by trouble spots on the A641 Huddersfield Rd area. There was a view held by certain members that the X6 should be the ‘Top line service’ between Leeds and Bradford, not the 72 and that it should run only between the two cities as a stand alone service.
Now we’re in 2016 and I haven’t served on the PCC since the Combined Authority came into being in 2014, you’re only allowed a three year term, but I am still in contact with others who do attend so my comment about the X6 split is based on what I’m hearing – but will it happen? Well, only time will tell, but I suspect something’s in the pipeline.
As a postscript, the following are the comments of a dissatisfied committee member commenting on the proposed new Hyperlink 72 service even before it had started:
“This incredible nonsense simply beggars belief !! The Leeds - Bradford corridor is already excellently served by proper buses with plenty of seats and very adequate service frequencies. Many people who object to being treated like unintelligent twits are fed up to the back teeth of the "First" spin thinking they can convince us that an articulated bus with metal spats over the wheels is a streetcar - a streetcar is an American tram and always will be. The rich blue livery is a pleasing colour, and would be far better applied to all "First" buses instead of the existing funereal lilac, white and pink/mauve nonsense. The phenomenal area and municipal benefits which are promised from this expensive farce are quite simply a paper dream - for Pity's sake bring a halt to it now before it starts and consign it to the waste paper bin where it belongs."
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 4:49:56 GMT 1
I know this didnt happen & probably wont,but did anyone at First think at the time when they decided to make the 72 its "prime" service between Leeds & Bradford,instead why not add extra X6s instead? The Current 72 is 8 Buses Per hour with the X6 being 3 Buses per hour,why not have the 72 running Every 12 Mins & X6 Every 10 Mins (With every other one continuing to Huddersfield so it remains every 20 Mins),That way it remains 11 buses per hour Combined,but with Double the amount of Express buses.
Splitting the X6 could lead to a drop in passengers from Huddersfield,as when i used the morning trip to Leeds you would get a decent load of passengers get on in Huddersfield going to Leeds,with Arriva MAXing most its services From Huddersfield to Leeds i wonder how many would make the switch to Arriva instead of either having to make the change at Bradford or using the train.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on May 15, 2016 7:51:52 GMT 1
Since it’s introduction in Oct 2012 the Hyperlink has sat uneasy against the X6 because at the time of the launch, the 72 Streetcars were said to be “at the centrepiece of a rapid transit-style service between Leeds and Bradford”. That could still be the case but for people who live between Leeds and Bradford and don't use it end to end, you could say the same about a tram line, which always stop at every stop. The new Manchester to Manchester Airport line on the Metrolink is much slower than catching a train, but that isn't any good if you live on the route. Arriva converting the 202/203 and 229 to MAX doesn't make them more of a viable option, they still take forever with their indirect routes which gives the perception of taking ages even if the X6 is no quicker. The 229 in particular going via Batley makes it feel like you are continuously turning the wrong way to where you are going.
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May 15, 2016 8:58:03 GMT 1
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Post by Steve Macz403 on May 15, 2016 8:58:03 GMT 1
Sooner at one stage First will have to add more X6 buses for demand. May take a while for a spark to be ignited.
For many years we have to remember the X6 didn't even have a Sunday Service. Me and my friend thought about that while stood on a packed X6 about 3 years ago. We stood on a full leeds - Bradford on a Sat Afternoon
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May 15, 2016 9:54:48 GMT 1
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Post by basher37 on May 15, 2016 9:54:48 GMT 1
I know this didnt happen & probably wont,but did anyone at First think at the time when they decided to make the 72 its "prime" service between Leeds & Bradford,instead why not add extra X6s instead? The Current 72 is 8 Buses Per hour with the X6 being 3 Buses per hour,why not have the 72 running Every 12 Mins & X6 Every 10 Mins (With every other one continuing to Huddersfield so it remains every 20 Mins),That way it remains 11 buses per hour Combined,but with Double the amount of Express buses. Splitting the X6 could lead to a drop in passengers from Huddersfield,as when i used the morning trip to Leeds you would get a decent load of passengers get on in Huddersfield going to Leeds,with Arriva MAXing most its services From Huddersfield to Leeds i wonder how many would make the switch to Arriva instead of either having to make the change at Bradford or using the train. The way the 72s come bunched together some days,it's like having a 12-15min service anyway..
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May 15, 2016 17:11:35 GMT 1
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on May 15, 2016 17:11:35 GMT 1
The StreetCar name is Wrights name for the body, not Firsts 'spin'.
Firsts 'spin' is "ftr" and "Hyper Link"
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May 15, 2016 19:00:25 GMT 1
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May 17, 2016 17:42:19 GMT 1
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Post by jdodger08 on May 17, 2016 17:42:19 GMT 1
I know this didnt happen & probably wont,but did anyone at First think at the time when they decided to make the 72 its "prime" service between Leeds & Bradford,instead why not add extra X6s instead? The Current 72 is 8 Buses Per hour with the X6 being 3 Buses per hour,why not have the 72 running Every 12 Mins & X6 Every 10 Mins (With every other one continuing to Huddersfield so it remains every 20 Mins),That way it remains 11 buses per hour Combined,but with Double the amount of Express buses. Splitting the X6 could lead to a drop in passengers from Huddersfield,as when i used the morning trip to Leeds you would get a decent load of passengers get on in Huddersfield going to Leeds,with Arriva MAXing most its services From Huddersfield to Leeds i wonder how many would make the switch to Arriva instead of either having to make the change at Bradford or using the train. The way the 72s come bunched together some days,it's like having a 12-15min service anyway.. Doesn't Huddersfield run the x63? Which compliments the x6 between Bradford and Huddersfield making a 10 minute frequency already... So why not make the x6 a continuous 10min frequency all the way
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May 17, 2016 18:27:15 GMT 1
Post by westyorkshirebus on May 17, 2016 18:27:15 GMT 1
The X63 stops at all stops (with boarding or alighting restrictions at each end), the X6 stops only 6 times between Huddersfield and Bradford.
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