January 2016 Service Changes

[SF07]

The first listing on VOSA for January 2016 in West Yorkshire:

PB0000582/88 - ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD, 24 BARNSLEY ROAD, WAKEFIELD, WF1 5JX
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wakefield and Leeds given service number X25/225/252/254/255 effective from 04-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.

[A1YBG]

Assuming the 229 will go Maxed after this date too. Which is rumoured to go every 20 minutes. Some Geminis are getting refurbished to the Max specs.

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[jdodger08]

I've always wanted 229 to go every 20 mins, but just thought Arriva would never do it.

[angrycommuter]

Every 20 minutes makes sense at the Leeds end, particularly the Birstall to Leeds section but I have my doubts about whether there is a need for extra buses towards Huddersfield. Could curtailing the 220 be on the cards with the extra 229 filling in the gap albeit leaving Gomersal, Cleckheaton and Liversedge without a service to Hudds?

[A1YBG]

Nov 11, 2015 16:34:29 GMT 1 angrycommuter said:

Every 20 minutes makes sense at the Leeds end, particularly the Birstall to Leeds section but I have my doubts about whether there is a need for extra buses towards Huddersfield. Could curtailing the 220 be on the cards with the extra 229 filling in the gap albeit leaving Gomersal, Cleckheaton and Liversedge without a service to Hudds?

I did wonder that. Thought 2 go to Hudds and one terminates at Hecky. Then again be a 40 min wait for the next one to Hudds. Then thought maybe the 209 would be dropped then no bus via White Lee. Whitehall road covered by 254/5. We shall wait and see what happens. Good news for me who catches the 229 everyday.

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[Steve Macz403]

Nov 11, 2015 16:34:29 GMT 1 angrycommuter said:

Every 20 minutes makes sense at the Leeds end, particularly the Birstall to Leeds section but I have my doubts about whether there is a need for extra buses towards Huddersfield. Could curtailing the 220 be on the cards with the extra 229 filling in the gap albeit leaving Gomersal, Cleckheaton and Liversedge without a service to Hudds?

Maybe it's worth to do a 20 min frequency between Heckmondwike and Leeds, e.g then a 2 buses on the 00 and 20 to Huddersfield and the 40 to Heckmondwike.

The :40 gap can be slotted with the 220 hourly between Robertown and Huddersfield meaning :00 229 :20 229 :40 220 within this gap.

Now that I think about it, It does mean a reduction on frequency in that part. And won't be attractive on arrivas or anyone's needs. So maybe slotting in the 220 I'm somewhere in the 229s frequency boost would work better, Within the 20 min gap.

[A1YBG]

Nov 11, 2015 22:29:08 GMT 1 Steve Macz403 said:

Nov 11, 2015 16:34:29 GMT 1 angrycommuter said:

Every 20 minutes makes sense at the Leeds end, particularly the Birstall to Leeds section but I have my doubts about whether there is a need for extra buses towards Huddersfield. Could curtailing the 220 be on the cards with the extra 229 filling in the gap albeit leaving Gomersal, Cleckheaton and Liversedge without a service to Hudds?

Maybe it's worth to do a 20 min frequency between Heckmondwike and Leeds, e.g then a 2 buses on the 00 and 20 to Huddersfield and the 40 to Heckmondwike.

The :40 gap can be slotted with the 220 hourly between Robertown and Huddersfield meaning :00 229 :20 229 :40 220 within this gap.

Now that I think about it, It does mean a reduction on frequency in that part. And won't be attractive on arrivas or anyone's needs. So maybe slotting in the 220 I'm somewhere in the 229s frequency boost would work better, Within the 20 min gap.

Maybe but quite a few people in Gildersome and Batley go further on from Hecky.

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[Deleted]

Nov 11, 2015 16:34:29 GMT 1 angrycommuter said:

Every 20 minutes makes sense at the Leeds end, particularly the Birstall to Leeds section but I have my doubts about whether there is a need for extra buses towards Huddersfield. Could curtailing the 220 be on the cards with the extra 229 filling in the gap albeit leaving Gomersal, Cleckheaton and Liversedge without a service to Hudds?

I Doubt it will affect 220 much,as normally towards Huddersfield from Roberttown the 220 is a minute or 2 behind the 229 anyway. Another option would be to look at sending the 220 straight down A62,what would help its timekeeping & also slightly reduce its journey times.

[timelesstable]

Nov 11, 2015 23:14:01 GMT 1 @cp2012 said:

Nov 11, 2015 16:34:29 GMT 1 angrycommuter said:

Every 20 minutes makes sense at the Leeds end, particularly the Birstall to Leeds section but I have my doubts about whether there is a need for extra buses towards Huddersfield. Could curtailing the 220 be on the cards with the extra 229 filling in the gap albeit leaving Gomersal, Cleckheaton and Liversedge without a service to Hudds?

I Doubt it will affect 220 much,as normally towards Huddersfield from Roberttown the 220 is a minute or 2 behind the 229 anyway. Another option would be to look at sending the 220 straight down A62,what would help its timekeeping & also slightly reduce its journey times.

What if the 3 departures on the 220/229 from Huddersfield were retimed to provide a twenty frequency and then split just with hourly through Cleckheaton and a 20/40 minute service via Heckmondwike. This could be supplement to a twenty minute service on the 229 between Heckmondwike and Leeds.

Likewise if demand from Huddersfield is falling maybe just one hour 220 and just the one on the 229. Supplement the 229 from Heckmondwike to Leeds. If there are times probably in the am/pm peak periods when an hourly 229 into/from Huddersfield needs supplementing then extend the 229 to and or from Heckmondwike.

[andyk4050]

PB1103723/7 - SIMON DAYMOND T/A SQUAREPEG, 41 WESTBOURNE AVENUE, GARFORTH, LEEDS, LS25 1BX
Variation Accepted: Operating between COMMERCIAL STREET, ROTHWELL and SEACROFT BUS STATION given service number 22 effective from 11-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.

[hstjohnny]

Nov 19, 2015 13:00:43 GMT 1 andyk4050 said:

PB1103723/7 - SIMON DAYMOND T/A SQUAREPEG, 41 WESTBOURNE AVENUE, GARFORTH, LEEDS, LS25 1BX
Variation Accepted: Operating between COMMERCIAL STREET, ROTHWELL and SEACROFT BUS STATION given service number 22 effective from 11-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.

Putting the Volvo B6's in action to replace the Spectra's most likely, resulting in being re-routed under the low bridge at Woodlesford and running till later on in the day instead of the current 14:00 (Due to spectra's being used on schools)

Can anyone confirm?

[andyk4050]

The new route apparently is now going to serve kippax between garforth and swillington and going to straight along haigh road and down Wood Lane into rothwell

Can anyone confirm this?

[SF07]

762 extended to Harrogate?

PB0001748/11 - KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD, PROSPECT PARK, BROUGHTON WAY, STARBECK, HARROGATE, HG2 7NY
Variation Accepted: Operating between Keighley and Harrogate given service number 762 effective from 10-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.

[sharksmith]

That would be an interesting development, maybe a further escalation in the whole Transdev/Connexions battle. I'm surprised no one is taking a punt at restoring Bradford to Otley links again, I would imagine Broadway would appeal to the folks of Otley although I suppose the same arguments arising in the thread about the 711 route and White Rose/Broadway/Trinity would apply here too.

[whereami]

Or there is a way to do it, without leaving Gomersal, Cleckheaton, Hightown, (parts of) Liversedge without a service to Huddersfield.
Have the 220 terminate at Roberttown, and continue with through fares available to Huddersfield as the 229, only missing out one stop outside The Star pub, and from my experience, very few people use that stop outside peak time.

(This is in reply to angrycommuter's post further up, forgot to quote his post)

[SF07]

PB1003659/16 - HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD T/A Connexionsbuses, SECTION 3, SOUTHFIELD LANE, TOCKWITH, YORK, YO26 7QP
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Harrogate Bus Station and Guiseley given service number 653/X53 effective from 18-Jan-2016.

PB1003659/17 - HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD T/A Connexionsbuses, SECTION 3, SOUTHFIELD LANE, TOCKWITH, YORK, YO26 7QP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Harrogate Bus Station and Ilkley given service number X52 effective from 18-Jan-2016. To amend Timetable.

[andy1]

Watch out for First West Yorks changes likely to appear on vosa bus search next week !
Significant changes likely to X6/X63 Amongst others.

[Bradford Traveller]

Nov 24, 2015 20:39:43 GMT 1 SF07 said:

PB1003659/16 - HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD T/A Connexionsbuses, SECTION 3, SOUTHFIELD LANE, TOCKWITH, YORK, YO26 7QP
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Harrogate Bus Station and Guiseley given service number 653/X53 effective from 18-Jan-2016.

PB1003659/17 - HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD T/A Connexionsbuses, SECTION 3, SOUTHFIELD LANE, TOCKWITH, YORK, YO26 7QP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Harrogate Bus Station and Ilkley given service number X52 effective from 18-Jan-2016. To amend Timetable.

(No surprise there then, thought it would be a bit too much to expect X52 withdrawn & X53 hourly)

[Dom]

Nov 26, 2015 22:00:36 GMT 1 andy1 said:

Watch out for First West Yorks changes likely to appear on vosa bus search next week !
Significant changes likely to X6/X63 Amongst others.

Let's just say it'll be a split operation.

[BusNut]

Nov 27, 2015 2:15:18 GMT 1 Dom said:

Nov 26, 2015 22:00:36 GMT 1 andy1 said:

Watch out for First West Yorks changes likely to appear on vosa bus search next week !
Significant changes likely to X6/X63 Amongst others.

Let's just say it'll be a split operation.

So basically the X6 will be Bradford to Leeds and X63 will be as now but probably an enhanced frequency?

Would make sense to make the X6s more frequent at peak times on the Leeds - Bradford section. Certainly needs it.

[Bradford Traveller]

A similar discussion to the 622-26 changes.
X6 is a convenient bus for eg Thornbury to Wyke but does suffer from delays and disruption at one section causing delays and disruption to the other sections.
The present timetable for the Huddersfield - Bradford section is good with a 10-min service combined and matches the 10-min Wyke - Bradford locals.

[Bradford Traveller]

The X63 does give a theoretical faster journey than the 363 but the X6 is a much faster service.

[Deleted]

X63 Runs as X6 Between Huddersfield & Bradford,363 gets its Daytime service back making a 10 Minute Frequency Bradford - Huddersfield,X6 Gets Made Bradford - Leeds Every 10 Mins? Maybe a few Peak X6s Continue To/From Huddersfield or it could lead to Arriva`s services gaining extra passengers.

[westyorkshirebus]

In my experience a significant number of passengers travel across Bradford on the X6 going to/from Leeds, It is the main/only bus service to Leeds across pretty much all the Huddersfield to Bradford section.

Doesn't split operation mean Bradford and Huddersfield both operating both routes?

[andy1]

Very strong possibility, rumour as it two more 576 boards may be coming back to Halifax!