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Post by timelesstable on Sept 8, 2015 18:10:44 GMT 1
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 8, 2015 18:25:32 GMT 1
Oh dear, they've only been running double decks in Halifax about a week!
I bet it'll be the last time Leeds lend Elland one of their buses.
Next time that bus turns a wheel will probably be on Rhyl seafront or a similar location.
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 8, 2015 18:34:13 GMT 1
I would have thought it could be seeing a one way ticket to Carlton, unless the wheels drop off.
I hear a Tiger President also had a spot of bother with a pair of rear wheels
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Sept 8, 2015 20:54:38 GMT 1
I always said it would be a matter of time before this happened after not having deckers at the depot since (presumably) the start of the Centrebus (Tiger) operations in Halifax
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 21:52:12 GMT 1
I always said it would be a matter of time before this happened after not having deckers at the depot since (presumably) the start of the Centrebus (Tiger) operations in Halifax i don't think Centebus even ran double decks when they started their operations.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Sept 8, 2015 22:01:05 GMT 1
I always said it would be a matter of time before this happened after not having deckers at the depot since (presumably) the start of the Centrebus (Tiger) operations in Halifax Nothing to do with them having deckers (or not) until now - its down to getting drivers to consider hazards irrespective of the vehicle they are driving at the time. If all drivers were to use the correct positioning at all times then things like this will not happen.
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Post by Burnside on Sept 9, 2015 6:45:52 GMT 1
Am i right in thinking the bridge has markings and signs advising drivers of high vehicles to use the middle of the road?
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 9, 2015 7:00:08 GMT 1
Am i right in thinking the bridge has markings and signs advising drivers of high vehicles to use the middle of the road? I'm sure there will be markings if it requires high vehicles to cross the centre line then a clear path should be marked
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Sept 9, 2015 8:12:40 GMT 1
I always said it would be a matter of time before this happened after not having deckers at the depot since (presumably) the start of the Centrebus (Tiger) operations in Halifax Nothing to do with them having deckers (or not) until now - its down to getting drivers to consider hazards irrespective of the vehicle they are driving at the time. If all drivers were to use the correct positioning at all times then things like this will not happen. Though it is a greater risk if you have one or two in an otherwise single-deck depot or newly introduced to a depot that has never had them (Centrebus never had any deckers at Elland as there was never any requirement for them). The risk is largely on dead runs (or unreported & unregistered short cuts) as drivers do have a habit of following the route they always have on something like autopilot though as you say it is part of the drivers job to be aware of what they are driving and adjusting to accommodate, though management should be making staff aware of the low bridges & roads they should not be using.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Sept 9, 2015 9:16:07 GMT 1
Nothing to do with them having deckers (or not) until now - its down to getting drivers to consider hazards irrespective of the vehicle they are driving at the time. If all drivers were to use the correct positioning at all times then things like this will not happen. Though it is a greater risk if you have one or two in an otherwise single-deck depot or newly introduced to a depot that has never had them (Centrebus never had any deckers at Elland as there was never any requirement for them). The risk is largely on dead runs (or unreported & unregistered short cuts) as drivers do have a habit of following the route they always have on something like autopilot though as you say it is part of the drivers job to be aware of what they are driving and adjusting to accommodate, though management should be making staff aware of the low bridges & roads they should not be using. Funny how First manages to send deckers under the exact same bridge every 7-8 minutes without any problems. The road markings clearly state that high vehicles should use the middle of the road, and also large signs on the bridge as well. Definitely driver error I think!
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Sept 9, 2015 9:17:52 GMT 1
Am i right in thinking the bridge has markings and signs advising drivers of high vehicles to use the middle of the road? I'm sure there will be markings if it requires high vehicles to cross the centre line then a clear path should be marked Signs and markings are there - seems that driver didn't follow them!
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 9, 2015 13:53:17 GMT 1
I'm sure there will be markings if it requires high vehicles to cross the centre line then a clear path should be marked Signs and markings are there - seems that driver didn't follow them! There could be other reasons, like driver having to take evasive action after correctly entering the bridge.
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Post by jus363 on Sept 9, 2015 15:24:50 GMT 1
First 37389 has lost its roof today in Rochdale!
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 9, 2015 15:33:36 GMT 1
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 9, 2015 15:37:10 GMT 1
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Post by ratty on Sept 9, 2015 16:04:56 GMT 1
It was always a bridge that you had to pass in the middle of the road. Many a time I have had to 'give way' before I dared move the bus out. Several posters are quite right, and the signage should have been enough, however, I can see Dwarfer's point, in that doubles at Elland are a recent phenomenon, but I would think quite a few of their drivers are ex First, so should be used to it anyway. BUT, as Timelesstable says, could the driver have been in the correct position and had to take avoiding action due to a not too alert driver coming the other way. I used to find that this bridge was not too bad, the worst one was the one carrying the same railway over Bramston Street at Brighouse, which had a blind bend before it. If it was the case of somebody causing the driver to move over, 36 years of bus driving says that you will probably, unintentionally move over to escape a head on collision, therefore preventing smashed legs etc. It's called self preservation, everybody has some form of it. By the way, was the railway shut due to the bridge strike?
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Sept 9, 2015 17:13:41 GMT 1
I would guess the bus must have been partially in the middle of the road at least or else there would have been more damage than there was, maybe just not far enough in the middle.
From the time I would guess it was running dead to Brooksbank School.
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Post by ratty on Sept 9, 2015 18:22:52 GMT 1
Could be right WYB, although I'm sure last time I passed this spot in my car, there were solid white lines denoting the 'track' high vehicles should follow. If running light to Brooksbank, would this mean it had come off service in Halifax, to do the run, as it would not be there if coming from the Depot.
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 9, 2015 22:49:32 GMT 1
Could be right WYB, although I'm sure last time I passed this spot in my car, there were solid white lines denoting the 'track' high vehicles should follow. If running light to Brooksbank, would this mean it had come off service in Halifax, to do the run, as it would not be there if coming from the Depot. I believe the plan is to run the deckers on the town services (Ex HJC) and inter work them with the schools
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 12, 2015 20:43:57 GMT 1
A bit more on the First Bus Rochdale accident www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rochdale-bus-crash-driver-removed-10038981#ICID=sharebar_facebookThe crash is being treated as a road traffic collision and the Health and Safety Executive are not currently involved. Seventeen passengers were injured in the incident, when the bus was driven under a railway bridge, shearing off its roof. One passenger, James Varey, 27, was left with a broken jaw while a female passenger sustained a serious cut to her head. Other passengers suffered less serious cuts from broken glass and bruises from hitting their heads on poles or seats in the bus.
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Post by ratty on May 3, 2017 13:35:59 GMT 1
As of tomorrow, if you go in to the centre of Manchester, you will be likely to see the affected vehicle in a different guise!!!
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Post by 69340 on May 4, 2017 1:19:50 GMT 1
As of tomorrow, if you go in to the centre of Manchester, you will be likely to see the affected vehicle in a different guise!!! why?
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Post by gooderson1 on May 4, 2017 6:31:25 GMT 1
Possibly it has been converted to open top and will be used by a company that has started a hop on and off service in Manchester
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on May 4, 2017 6:34:34 GMT 1
It has, I couldn't believe it when I heard about it, not the bus but the fact an OPEN top tour of MANCHESTER of all places is being tried out! I believe City Sightseeing tried this but failed, can't see this working either unless Manchester gets lucky with a really good summer.
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Post by ratty on Jun 29, 2017 23:16:55 GMT 1
It's doing relatively well thank you and is more than covering its costs, with a 3rd bus to be allocated in the next few weeks.
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