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Post by westyorkshirebus on Oct 8, 2015 21:41:20 GMT 1
I would guess that First Bradford is less profitable than it once was. The closure of half the city centre a decade ago meaning it was hardly a destination for many people, along with the fact that the recession probably hit harder here than in many places, would probably be the cause of that. This might explain why when it comes to investment they dropped from being a close second behind Leeds to being a distant second just above Halifax and Huddersfield.
The opening of The Broadway should turn this around, and First should be joining in and increasing services and improving the fleet now. At least they haven't started tinkering with Overground services reducing to every 12 mins like they did a few years ago.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Oct 9, 2015 1:22:41 GMT 1
675 Shipley - Owlet Road - Bradford. 677 Higher Coach Road - Shipley - Owlet Road - Bradford. Cottingley, Saltaire, Crag Road are no longer served by these buses - other services do cover parts of the withdrawn section but Could not be classed as replacement. Details from Bradford agenda but not about replacing 625 South.
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Post by Matty on Oct 9, 2015 10:57:37 GMT 1
As destination programmer for TLC, I've been given another route to add to the list, 676 Cottingley Hope Hill View & Bradford Interchange
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Post by andyk4050 on Oct 9, 2015 11:55:38 GMT 1
As destination programmer for TLC, I've been given another route to add to the list, 676 Cottingley Hope Hill View & Bradford Interchange Bet this is the 675 replacement
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Oct 9, 2015 13:47:49 GMT 1
646 Shipley - Bradford Interchange (hourly ) extra journeys at peak times. 647 WITHDRAWN (peak journeys run as 646) WYCA are looking at providing an alternative off peak service.
675 withdrawn Cottingley - Shipley. 677 diverted via Owlet Road. WYCA are looking at providing an off peak service. 615 629 678 680 cover small parts of the routes.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Oct 9, 2015 15:19:24 GMT 1
Note that the 613 & 614 will run via Horton Park Avenue on journeys TO Buttershaw only. It does seem a good decision to re-route the 576 via the College & University as this is now the more frequent service. Traditionally the Buttershaw buses showing 'via Gt. Horton Road' as a painted board since 1955. The Queensbury service has gone via Easby Road since tram days (1901) ! Easby Road seems to me a quicker route than going via the University.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Oct 9, 2015 16:26:36 GMT 1
Note that the 613 & 614 will run via Horton Park Avenue on journeys TO Buttershaw only. It does seem a good decision to re-route the 576 via the College & University as this is now the more frequent service. Traditionally the Buttershaw buses showing 'via Gt. Horton Road' as a painted board since 1955. The Queensbury service has gone via Easby Road since tram days (1901) ! Easby Road seems to me a quicker route than going via the University. I don't think there's that much on it. Lower Gt. Horton Road does get busy, but the turning onto All Saints' Road can also cause delay.
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Post by 576 Gemini 2 on Oct 9, 2015 19:12:17 GMT 1
Easby Road seems to me a quicker route than going via the University. I don't think there's that much on it. Lower Gt. Horton Road does get busy, but the turning onto All Saints' Road can also cause delay. Traffic lights junction of Morley Street & Chester Street can sometimes cause delays to Bradford bound Easby Road services at peak times
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Post by kommie123 on Oct 9, 2015 23:00:25 GMT 1
Whats happening to Greengates to Pudsey???
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Oct 10, 2015 0:34:59 GMT 1
Whats happening to Greengates to Pudsey??? No demand so no doubt service won't be replaced, most of this section is either covered or doesn't have enough custom to justify a replacement. To be blunt, the Ivy street section shouldn't have been covered by extended 61/A as never saw more than 3 people on the 60/A from town out towards X Green. I can't honestly see an even more extended journey into and from Leeds really improving custom from East Park Parade/Ivy Street! Once again my tax is going to waste!
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Post by andyk4050 on Oct 10, 2015 0:38:09 GMT 1
Whats happening to Greengates to Pudsey??? No demand so no doubt service won't be replaced, most of this section is either covered or doesn't have enough custom to justify a replacement. To be blunt, the Ivy street section shouldn't have been covered by extended 61/A as never saw more than 3 people on the 60/A from town out towards X Green. I can't honestly see an even more extended journey into and from Leeds really improving custom from East Park Parade/Ivy Street! Once again my tax is going to waste! They've only really extended the 61 to Leeds City Centre so it can connect/change into the X63 through the day
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Oct 10, 2015 0:47:10 GMT 1
And that's another waste, if the 60/A hardly got used outside of the peaks then I doubt this strangely routed X63 will either.
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Post by davopazza on Oct 10, 2015 7:49:46 GMT 1
What I don't understand is how the service can run for so long and for passenger demand has dropped so much it is no longer viable or maybe Yorkshire Tiger can't maintain the low cost structure unless there is another external influence.
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Post by davopazza on Oct 10, 2015 8:33:29 GMT 1
What I don't understand is how the service can run for so long and for passenger demand has dropped so much it is no longer viable or maybe Yorkshire Tiger can't maintain the low cost structure unless there is another external influence. Unless it was once tendered.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Oct 10, 2015 9:11:16 GMT 1
Regarding the East Park Parade and Ivy Street section of the 60s, because it was quite an indirect route in in one direction (the direction depended on how far into EEP you lived, the closer to York Road the quicker outbound but slower inbound, the closer to X Green then the opposite applied) then this obviously will have put off many potential users who used previous services up those 2 roads. I also recon many nearer the 59 used that as a better alternative. X Green Ind Est has for years always struggled for daytime and weekend trade for obvious reasons, and Metro continue to throw away money serving this estate during the day for God knows what reason, you could argue 2pm finishers need a bus, in that case if there is enough demand then maybe have one bus run at 2.15pm from there, won't cost nowhere near as much as an hourly 9 to 3 service, mostly carrying the odd sod here and there. Regarding Pudsey to Greengates, if memory serves me right, during the last Leeds review wasn't funding withdrawn with Yorkshire Tiger providing the 62 on a commercial basis as a trial?
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Post by mk2mcw on Oct 10, 2015 11:55:43 GMT 1
Regarding the East Park Parade and Ivy Street section of the 60s, because it was quite an indirect route in in one direction (the direction depended on how far into EEP you lived, the closer to York Road the quicker outbound but slower inbound, the closer to X Green then the opposite applied) then this obviously will have put off many potential users who used previous services up those 2 roads. I also recon many nearer the 59 used that as a better alternative. X Green Ind Est has for years always struggled for daytime and weekend trade for obvious reasons, and Metro continue to throw away money serving this estate during the day for God knows what reason, you could argue 2pm finishers need a bus, in that case if there is enough demand then maybe have one bus run at 2.15pm from there, won't cost nowhere near as much as an hourly 9 to 3 service, mostly carrying the odd sod here and there. Regarding Pudsey to Greengates, if memory serves me right, during the last Leeds review wasn't funding withdrawn with Yorkshire Tiger providing the 62 on a commercial basis as a trial? in the 2013 review it was announced services 62, 62A and 80 would be reviewed at a later date if you remember these services were created to replace the 66 and 67.
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Post by mk2mcw on Oct 10, 2015 11:57:38 GMT 1
Regarding the East Park Parade and Ivy Street section of the 60s, because it was quite an indirect route in in one direction (the direction depended on how far into EEP you lived, the closer to York Road the quicker outbound but slower inbound, the closer to X Green then the opposite applied) then this obviously will have put off many potential users who used previous services up those 2 roads. I also recon many nearer the 59 used that as a better alternative. X Green Ind Est has for years always struggled for daytime and weekend trade for obvious reasons, and Metro continue to throw away money serving this estate during the day for God knows what reason, you could argue 2pm finishers need a bus, in that case if there is enough demand then maybe have one bus run at 2.15pm from there, won't cost nowhere near as much as an hourly 9 to 3 service, mostly carrying the odd sod here and there. Regarding Pudsey to Greengates, if memory serves me right, during the last Leeds review wasn't funding withdrawn with Yorkshire Tiger providing the 62 on a commercial basis as a trial? in the 2013 review it was announced services 62, 62A and 80 would be reviewed at a later date if you remember these services were created to replace the 66 and 67. east end park has always been funny for buses
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Post by kommie123 on Oct 10, 2015 15:01:13 GMT 1
Yet the 90 will be retained on evenings and on Sundays no doubt! How utterly ridiculous is that!
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Oct 10, 2015 19:52:15 GMT 1
Thinking back, I think it was the extension from Greengates to Shipley what was commercial and not the whole bit from Pudsey to Shipley.
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Post by sharksmith on Oct 10, 2015 22:22:25 GMT 1
Thinking back, I think it was the extension from Greengates to Shipley what was commercial and not the whole bit from Pudsey to Shipley. Yes I remember Dwarfr explaining that Centrebus were looking for something to do with a bus for half an hour instead of having it sat waiting at Greengates before it's return journey.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Oct 11, 2015 16:14:45 GMT 1
Thinking back, I think it was the extension from Greengates to Shipley what was commercial and not the whole bit from Pudsey to Shipley. Yes I remember Dwarfr explaining that Centrebus were looking for something to do with a bus for half an hour instead of having it sat waiting at Greengates before it's return journey. I suspect only the management at Yorkshire Tiger or Metro could give a definitive answer to which bits are tendered (and in what form) and what's commercial, I certainly can't remember anymore. From memory I think that set of routes had everything, a tendered section attached to commercial sections & some de-minimis thrown in for good measure.
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Post by scania60066 on Oct 11, 2015 22:21:37 GMT 1
Yet the 90 will be retained on evenings and on Sundays no doubt! How utterly ridiculous is that! Its better than no service at all.. So no its not ridiculous
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Oct 11, 2015 23:19:45 GMT 1
Yet the 90 will be retained on evenings and on Sundays no doubt! How utterly ridiculous is that! Its better than no service at all.. So no its not ridiculous Your kidding me! I can't honestly believe your defending what is clearly a ridiculous situation, are you really saying an evening and Sunday only service is something people travelling between Pudsey and Greengates really need? Do only vampires travel on this route? Course not, if the daytime service isn't used then I very much doubt evening and Sunday buses will be used more! This is such a waste of money, the contract should be terminated and put into another contract First have, a contract what shows promise of growth by improvements to frequency!
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Post by scania60066 on Oct 12, 2015 13:59:36 GMT 1
Its better than no service at all.. So no its not ridiculous Your kidding me! I can't honestly believe your defending what is clearly a ridiculous situation, are you really saying an evening and Sunday only service is something people travelling between Pudsey and Greengates really need? Do only vampires travel on this route? Course not, if the daytime service isn't used then I very much doubt evening and Sunday buses will be used more! This is such a waste of money, the contract should be terminated and put into another contract First have, a contract what shows promise of growth by improvements to frequency! The 711 doesn't run Sundays or evenings.. The 60/60a as far as pudsey doesn't run Sundays or evenings The x14 doesn't run Sundays or evenings.. The 14 only runs along the top half of pudsey Sundays or evenings. The 90 covers all these routes Sunday n evenings times..so yh i am defending it. You obviously don't live along the route
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Oct 12, 2015 16:50:57 GMT 1
Well Ok but the Pudsey to Greengates bit should go, perhaps this may save a bus if it can be interworked onto another service like the 14.
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