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Post by timelesstable on Jan 12, 2015 20:26:13 GMT 1
Notice up at Heckmondwike depot, stating, that the journeys that continue through to Wakefield will be numbered 268A Only time will tell, if passengers understand that A goes through to Wakefield, and NO A doesn't!!!! Lol Why.... 254 runs to Dewsbury and Wakefield already, to 255 goes to Scholes and Halifax, 110 goes to Kettelthorpe and Hall Green, there are other route which run short or are extended so why the change of policy for the 268?
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Post by whereami on Jan 12, 2015 20:33:46 GMT 1
Having driven the 254 Dewsbury & 255 Scholes, you can guarantee, that there's usually 1 person, still sat there. And when you say Terminus, they reply, I thought you went to Wakefield/Halifax??
We did suggest that the Wakefield ones were numbered 269 like in years past.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 12, 2015 22:36:03 GMT 1
I don't believe short journeys exactly the same route need a different route number. Especially with computerised journey planners and the like they'd just end up with the 268 being reduced to every 20 mins, and a new 269 running every 20 mins, rather than the combined service.
Regarding the other short journeys on the 254/255/221, I would have liked to have seen them all extended full length in the last few years when Arriva got back on its feet after the dark days if the early 00s, but it doesn't seem to ever happen.
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Post by angrycommuter on Jan 13, 2015 13:35:41 GMT 1
Seems an odd thing to do having 268 and 268A. Where is the confusion - the destination states where it is going. Will the Wakefield to Dewsbury to Bradford journey just be 268 rather than 268A as Bradford is the destination for all services.... stupid idea!
Perhaps the short services to Cleckheaton / Heckmondwike at the end of the day should be 268B and 268C? Equally stupid idea!
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jan 13, 2015 14:02:00 GMT 1
new timetables up on Wymetro site. All journeys marked up as 268! perhaps the 268A is only used internally. SOME 607/614/615/630 journeys run 5 minutes earlier.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jan 13, 2015 14:09:23 GMT 1
new timetables up on Wymetro site. All journeys marked up as 268! perhaps the 268A is only used internally. SOME 607/614/615/616 journeys run 5 minutes earlier. MON-FRI daytime 615 at 10 & 40 SUN daytime: 607 to H. WOOD at 00 614 at 40 616 at 45
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jan 13, 2015 14:27:32 GMT 1
268 according to new timetable on Metro site. Is 268A only used ? internally
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Post by whereami on Jan 13, 2015 17:49:39 GMT 1
268 according to new timetable on Metro site. Is 268A only used ? internally Well, in that case, it may be internally numbered 268A, I won't know for sure until the running boards come out on 24th Jan and see what the reprogrammed desti's show
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Post by russsmith on Jan 14, 2015 15:20:18 GMT 1
Back in my hometown of Birmingham, part routes carry an E suffix on destis etc. Using the example of the 126 (below), it's registered and shown in timetables, on flag poles etc as the 126, but shorts run as 126Es (the E means Terminating Early). Very little (if any) confusion this way. Extensions of routes are simply given A suffixes - such as the extended 37 to the Land Rover works. I think Reading and Coventry have similar systems in place. Using Leeds as an example, the last 97 to Yeadon and Sundays on the 3 to Cottingley would look like how they do in my attachment. I don't agree with renumbering part routes, but maybe something like the E or A suffixes could set part routes, full routes and extended routes apart in West Yorkshire? Attachments:
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Jan 14, 2015 17:27:07 GMT 1
Back in my hometown of Birmingham, part routes carry an E suffix on destis etc. Using the example of the 126 (below), it's registered and shown in timetables, on flag poles etc as the 126, but shorts run as 126Es (the E means Terminating Early). Very little (if any) confusion this way. Extensions of routes are simply given A suffixes - such as the extended 37 to the Land Rover works. I think Reading and Coventry have similar systems in place. Using Leeds as an example, the last 97 to Yeadon and Sundays on the 3 to Cottingley would look like how they do in my attachment. I don't agree with renumbering part routes, but maybe something like the E or A suffixes could set part routes, full routes and extended routes apart in West Yorkshire? I think putting E suffixes could alienate and confuse passengers even more. Don't know whether this works for Birmingham though. I Was there couple of days ago, buses I saw were the 997E to Pheasey Church, instead of Walsall for full 997. Also saw a 1E along Broad Street too.
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Post by russsmith on Jan 14, 2015 19:09:36 GMT 1
I suppose so, I imagine it's accepted in the West Mids because it's been going since the 60s. I imagine if Metro used one of the little boxes at the bottom of timetables on stops to explain E suffixes, people might start to understand it, like they do in WY with X prefixes (well, everyone but the students!)
It's strange that you mentioned the 1 and 997, they're by far the most common E workings in Birmingham. The 997 is every 10 minutes, with two in three terminating in Pheasey and every third continuing to Walsall. The 1 operates the full route every 20 minutes with extra 1Es running half of the route to slot in between these during the peaks (so a 1 of some sort every 10 minutes).
Did you know about E workings before going to Birmingham or did you just guess what they were?
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jan 14, 2015 19:54:49 GMT 1
going back to GM days (or was it as far back as Selnec? ) there were numbers like 219x for rush hour 'extras' not running the full length of route ?
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Jan 14, 2015 20:52:29 GMT 1
I suppose so, I imagine it's accepted in the West Mids because it's been going since the 60s. I imagine if Metro used one of the little boxes at the bottom of timetables on stops to explain E suffixes, people might start to understand it, like they do in WY with X prefixes (well, everyone but the students!) It's strange that you mentioned the 1 and 997, they're by far the most common E workings in Birmingham. The 997 is every 10 minutes, with two in three terminating in Pheasey and every third continuing to Walsall. The 1 operates the full route every 20 minutes with extra 1Es running half of the route to slot in between these during the peaks (so a 1 of some sort every 10 minutes). Did you know about E workings before going to Birmingham or did you just guess what they were? I knew about the E workings. Just didn't know which services there on. what I've found odd strange is birmingham uses the 900 numbers and X numbers for limited stop services. But will leave that quote for the elsewhere thread.
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Post by Matty on Jan 14, 2015 22:44:33 GMT 1
going back to GM days (or was it as far back as Selnec? ) there were numbers like 219x for rush hour 'extras' not running the full length of route ? Yes because when I used to change the destinations for the driver on the B-SJA/PJA Olympians when I was at school, they used to have 1, 1x, 2, 2x & so on & it was hard turning them handles when I was about 13.
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Post by ratty on Jan 15, 2015 3:21:28 GMT 1
Some of the 72** Fleetlines at Halifax also had the x letters on, but I am fairly sure they did not all have them in.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Jan 15, 2015 3:38:20 GMT 1
(they had been transferred from the Manchester area)
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Post by ratty on Jan 15, 2015 5:42:20 GMT 1
They were actually bought, or the leases taken over from the Manchester area, most of them from a field, I believe, in Leigh. It was only later on, that several were transferred after the creation of First.They were certainly not transferred initially, as Yorkshire Rider and GM Buses were separate companies at the time, First and even BadgerLine being some time in the future. Of course, at the time (with roller blinds) YRs way of showing an express service was the suffix 'X' with a white square and the words Limited stop, within. The 508 probably being one of the few exceptions. Not many electronic screens in those days. Something in my head tells me It was the XBU **S Fleetlines that had the X's on, the PTD, ones not having it.Andy1 will probably confirm.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Jan 15, 2015 17:23:51 GMT 1
I suppose so, I imagine it's accepted in the West Mids because it's been going since the 60s. I imagine if Metro used one of the little boxes at the bottom of timetables on stops to explain E suffixes, people might start to understand it, like they do in WY with X prefixes (well, everyone but the students!) It's strange that you mentioned the 1 and 997, they're by far the most common E workings in Birmingham. The 997 is every 10 minutes, with two in three terminating in Pheasey and every third continuing to Walsall. The 1 operates the full route every 20 minutes with extra 1Es running half of the route to slot in between these during the peaks (so a 1 of some sort every 10 minutes). Did you know about E workings before going to Birmingham or did you just guess what they were? I knew about the E workings. Just didn't know which services there on. what I've found odd strange is birmingham uses the 900 numbers and X numbers for limited stop services. But will leave that quote for the elsewhere thread. Merseyside also used to use E suffixes for part route journeys - think this has fallen into disuse nowadays. Milton Keynes used to use E suffixes to denote Evening & Sunday routes (which usually has some variation to the equivalent daytime service)
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jan 25, 2015 12:16:11 GMT 1
Regarding the new timetables. It looks like nobody has told Metro that the 521/522/523 are now Red Arrow, as the new timetable leaflet still has them as the Blue Line & Sky Blue Line.
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