hstjohnny
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Still Awaiting anything other than a Wright Eclipse!
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Post by hstjohnny on Sept 22, 2016 14:08:29 GMT 1
Been too busy to notice for a while, But does anyone know if any more 185's have been outshopped into the new livery?, If so what no's are they. Thanks. 2 so far: 185108 185123
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Post by driver6540 on Sept 23, 2016 17:35:37 GMT 1
Thanks, I knew 108/123 had been done, i just wondered if any more had been done.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Sept 24, 2016 21:01:56 GMT 1
I was one of the first on 185123 on it's first day in service under the new franchise name on 1st of April on the 0500 Manchester - Glasgow (1S30) as nobody knew about it... it was quite a surprise!
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Post by driver6540 on Nov 1, 2016 22:30:02 GMT 1
Which 185 is the recipient of the poppy livery? Thanks.
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Post by Burnside on Nov 2, 2016 8:05:18 GMT 1
185123
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Post by driver6540 on Nov 2, 2016 23:22:26 GMT 1
Thanks Tim. Still just 108/123 in the new livery then?
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Post by Burnside on Nov 3, 2016 7:59:29 GMT 1
As far as i'm aware, yes.
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Post by passenger859 on Nov 25, 2016 13:50:31 GMT 1
Saw another the other day. Think it was 144.
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Post by johndc1984 on Nov 26, 2016 12:47:52 GMT 1
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Post by johndc1984 on Dec 17, 2016 15:00:33 GMT 1
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Post by driver6540 on Dec 17, 2016 23:00:18 GMT 1
Thanks for posting that, Whether they all get re-liveried remains to be seen, given that some will transfer to other TOC's when TPE's new trains start arriving.
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Post by johndc1984 on Dec 20, 2016 17:45:59 GMT 1
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Post by driver6540 on Dec 28, 2016 23:35:03 GMT 1
185150 now in new livery.
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SF07
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Post by SF07 on Jan 11, 2017 21:05:16 GMT 1
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Post by davopazza on Jan 11, 2017 21:47:19 GMT 1
I wonder if the two routes will be joined to create a through route.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 11, 2017 22:14:33 GMT 1
I wonder if the two routes will be joined to create a through route. TPE will be making additional local stops on its trains. They will all travel at least between Leeds and Manchester.
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Post by gooderson1 on Jan 12, 2017 0:21:05 GMT 1
Is it the intention of TPE to use the units operating the present "fast" services between Leeds and Manchester to make the additional stops. If so this will lead to longer journey times and more over crowding on the current three cars units. I have read the article but I am at a bit of a loss as to where are they going to obtain newer units to replace the "clapped out" pacers.
Just a thought but given the hint in the current edition of Rail Magazine about further conversions could the pacers be replaced by the revamped ex London D stock.
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Post by biroguy on Jan 12, 2017 11:17:30 GMT 1
I sincerely hope not. The London D train concept went up in flames earlier this month, totally the wrong solution with a top speed of 60mph and awful interior layout. I share your view as to how stopping TPE trains will work, especially with plans to open a "White Rose Centre" station as well. Stopping Newcastle expresses at Morley etc seems very improbable. There are new trains in the pipeline, push and pull 5 coach loco hauled sets. The 185`s are being concentrated in pairs on south Pennine services I believe with the balance handed back to the owner.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 12, 2017 11:21:24 GMT 1
Is it the intention of TPE to use the units operating the present "fast" services between Leeds and Manchester to make the additional stops. If so this will lead to longer journey times and more over crowding on the current three cars units. I have read the article but I am at a bit of a loss as to where are they going to obtain newer units to replace the "clapped out" pacers. Just a thought but given the hint in the current edition of Rail Magazine about further conversions could the pacers be replaced by the revamped ex London D stock. TPE will operate one extra service per hour. Several of their services will call at a couple of the other stations each so there will be no all stations stopper service. Arriva has already ordered new trains to replace the pacers in the North. D stock does not feature in any confirmed fleet replacement plans. Hopefully it'll stay that way.
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Post by resolution on Jan 12, 2017 16:18:48 GMT 1
TransPennine Express can simply replace Northern's present stopping services using class 185 units, some of which will be released by the fact that the current Liverpool via Warrington service will pass to Northern, even if none have been released by the arrival of its locomotive-hauled stock by then. Pacers are not common on the Huddersfield - Manchester stoppers anyway (they are usually worked by 156s). As stated many times in this column and others there are no plans at present to introduce ex-London D stock to Northern.
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Post by driver6540 on Jan 16, 2017 1:39:47 GMT 1
Recently read on another forum is the news that all the current 185's are to be externally done in the new TPE livery, and internally refurbished starting anytime now. This despite the fact some are due to be returned off-lease by 2018. Also stated is the fact that no other TOC is interested in taking them when they do go, so far. Currently, the latest TPE publicity reports that 19 Hitachi 802 Bi-modes will enter service in 2019 these will be 5-car units operating on the Liverpool-Newcastle-Edinburgh and Manchester Airport-Newcastle routes. 12 Caf Civity class 397 Emu's 5-car units will enter service also in 2019, running between Manchester and Glasgow/Edinburgh via WCML. These will replace the 450's which are expected to transfer to LMR. Lastly, 13 rakes of 5 Caf built coaches to MK5 spec will enter service in 2018 to be hauled by hired in class 68 loco's on the Liverpool to Scarborough and Newcastle routes.
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Post by johndc1984 on Jan 21, 2017 15:44:11 GMT 1
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Post by biroguy on Jan 22, 2017 15:19:55 GMT 1
Recently read on another forum is the news that all the current 185's are to be externally done in the new TPE livery, and internally refurbished starting anytime now. This despite the fact some are due to be returned off-lease by 2018. Also stated is the fact that no other TOC is interested in taking them when they do go, so far. Currently, the latest TPE publicity reports that 19 Hitachi 802 Bi-modes will enter service in 2019 these will be 5-car units operating on the Liverpool-Newcastle-Edinburgh and Manchester Airport-Newcastle routes. 12 Caf Civity class 397 Emu's 5-car units will enter service also in 2019, running between Manchester and Glasgow/Edinburgh via WCML. These will replace the 450's which are expected to transfer to LMR. Lastly, 13 rakes of 5 Caf built coaches to MK5 spec will enter service in 2018 to be hauled by hired in class 68 loco's on the Liverpool to Scarborough and Newcastle routes. You would think Northern would go for the 185`s for routes like the Settle/Carlisle route, far superior than ancient Sprinters from GWR.
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Post by deerfold on Jan 22, 2017 16:45:28 GMT 1
Recently read on another forum is the news that all the current 185's are to be externally done in the new TPE livery, and internally refurbished starting anytime now. This despite the fact some are due to be returned off-lease by 2018. Also stated is the fact that no other TOC is interested in taking them when they do go, so far. Currently, the latest TPE publicity reports that 19 Hitachi 802 Bi-modes will enter service in 2019 these will be 5-car units operating on the Liverpool-Newcastle-Edinburgh and Manchester Airport-Newcastle routes. 12 Caf Civity class 397 Emu's 5-car units will enter service also in 2019, running between Manchester and Glasgow/Edinburgh via WCML. These will replace the 450's which are expected to transfer to LMR. Lastly, 13 rakes of 5 Caf built coaches to MK5 spec will enter service in 2018 to be hauled by hired in class 68 loco's on the Liverpool to Scarborough and Newcastle routes. You would think Northern would go for the 185`s for routes like the Settle/Carlisle route, far superior than ancient Sprinters from GWR. What do you mean by "go for"? There aren't any that aren't currently in use. Northern have 4, which they're using on the route they were on before Northern took it over from TPE. TPE are using all the rest.
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Post by biroguy on Jan 23, 2017 0:24:14 GMT 1
You would think Northern would go for the 185`s for routes like the Settle/Carlisle route, far superior than ancient Sprinters from GWR. What do you mean by "go for"? There aren't any that aren't currently in use. Northern have 4, which they're using on the route they were on before Northern took it over from TPE. TPE are using all the rest. I`m well aware of that fact, I was talking in a future context when they go off lease which I was responding to in the first place! The 185`s would offer a superior journey on routes like the Carlisle route.
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