January 2014 Changes

[77syk7]

A while since I set a teaser - but expect a couple of fairly long established routes in the Bradford / Calderdale Districts to be withdrawn by First in the latest round of changes.

[andy1]

Of course its the 591 to Heptonstall and 593 to Old Town in Calderdale.

[SF07]

502 between Halifax and Keighley perhaps?

[www.buseireann.ie]

Ok the clue is in the word 'fairly' meaning established but not as long as other routes. Let's see, many routes in Bradford have been round for some time but thinking about it, the 505 has been around for a handfull of years giving it the status of fairly well established, and more importantly doesn't link into a school service any more so could this be one? Maybe it'll be replaced by an extention of another route, e.g one 504 journey each way? The 505 also goes into Calderdale! I'm also wondering if the other route is the 560 as past Sowerby it's mainly Yorkshire Tiger who run services, going by the mostly good loadings on the Yorkshire Tiger 528 up to Ripponden, I'm guessing the 560 doesn't have quite as big a market share as First would like.

[77syk7]

This is interesting - but you are not anywhere near!
The route numbers date from post 1974 since formation of the WYPTE - but one of the routes has recently been truncated.
Now that should allow for some more creative thinking.
It is the last date for registrations today, so you still have time for some guessing.
I must also add these are proposals, so we will have to wait and see.
No further replies from me now as I am off to my son's wedding for the weekend!

[www.buseireann.ie]

Got one of them, the 570 was truncated recently, one of them has got to be that one! Now I'm wondering if that's withdrawn, so too will the 571?

[andy1]

My original post was 570/1 and then I edited it after remembering the Calder valley changes. Post 1974, recently truncated it as to be 570/1 !!!
Just as a matter of interest the 560 does very well for First taking considerably more money than the 528 ever did.
That's why the 560 is the only commercial service up the Ryburn valley.

[glennh2]

If 570/1 both go Metro will have to find replacement services for many areas (St Enochs, North Buttershaw, Wibsey, the Brighouse Estates, Southowram). There has also been a petition from Whinney Hill requesting a 30 minute service

Is a Brighouse minibus network the answer to some of these links?

[andy1]

Don't think there will all go, I imagine FIRST will continue running to Lightcliffe/Hipperholme via Southowram and Brighouse,the at risk section in my view is Hipperholme to Bradford.

[77syk7]

You are getting warmer - it might be something to do with the 570/1 - but this is only half of the story!

[andy1]

To hazard a guess the other half being 714 Bradford to Owlcotes ?

[77syk7]

Keep going - try another direction from the centre of Bradford

[www.buseireann.ie]

Right let's get thinking, it MIGHT have something to do with the 570/1 meaning these routes could be part replacing other routes! the 613 and 614 spring to mind perhaps with an increased frequency up to Buttershaw and the section of 570 from Wibsey to Buttershaw at Carr House Road being served by extending the 847? The rest of the 570/1 from Wibsey by St Enoch's Road to Bradford appeares to be well served by other routes e.g the 640/1. It doesn't answer the question as to what's being withdrawn in Calderdale though so perhaps the twist could be that the 570/1 turn off at Shelf quite close to the border with Calderdale and follow the 539 route to Queensbury along the Brighouse and Denholme Gate Road in order to replace the 610 through to Bradford, this became hourly recently and was curtailed to run from Bradford to Queensbury instead of Shipley, perhaps Hunger Hill residents have complained about the hourly timetable and want more buses. Now I realise the 610 is only 1 withdrawl, what about the other, well I'm guessing that'll be the 539 with replacements coming in the form of an extension to Queensbury only for one of the Illingworth services. Edit -just realised I've not considered the bottom half of the 539 from Halifax to Stainland, maybe this is being kept but re-numbered?

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Dec 1, 2013 21:10:09 GMT 1 www.buseireann.ie said:

Right let's get thinking, it MIGHT have something to do with the 570/1 meaning these routes could be part replacing other routes! the 613 and 614 spring to mind perhaps with an increased frequency up to Buttershaw and the section of 570 from Wibsey to Buttershaw at Carr House Road being served by extending the 847? The rest of the 570/1 from Wibsey by St Enoch's Road to Bradford appeares to be well served by other routes e.g the 640/1. It doesn't answer the question as to what's being withdrawn in Calderdale though so perhaps the twist could be that the 570/1 turn off at Shelf quite close to the border with Calderdale and follow the 539 route to Queensbury along the Brighouse and Denholme Gate Road in order to replace the 610 through to Bradford, this became hourly recently and was curtailed to run from Bradford to Queensbury instead of Shipley, perhaps Hunger Hill residents have complained about the hourly timetable and want more buses. Now I realise the 610 is only 1 withdrawl, what about the other, well I'm guessing that'll be the 539 with replacements coming in the form of an extension to Queensbury only for one of the Illingworth services. Edit -just realised I've not considered the bottom half of the 539 from Halifax to Stainland, maybe this is being kept but re-numbered?

i was actually thinking extending 847 To shelf (maybe connect with 508/681 To Halifax) & only have an Hourly 571 Running between Halifax & Lightcliffe (up around Bently Ave as current then back down Fairless Ave back onto Aysgarth Ave then back to halifax as current),Wakefield rd would still get served by 255,Leaving basically Coley & Brighouse & Denholme Gate Road without a service between Hipperholme & Shelf (maybe divert the 539 to do a loop down here?

[77syk7]

It's in there somewhere - but as there is likely to be some unhappy people out there, I will now leave any further comments until you see the registrations in full.

[SF07]

First's changes on VOSA today. As there's quite a few, here's the summary:

*Route, Stopping Places and Timetable: 40/40A/49/50/50A
*Timetable: 1/28, 5, 9, 64, 72, 85/87, 181/182/183/185/186, 308/310/314/316/X11, 363, 560, 589, 590/592, 670,
*Cancellation: A/B, C/D, E, T1, T2, T3/T4/T9, T6/T8

Also:

PB0001662/1 - JACKSONS OF SILSDEN (1988) LTD, UNIT 8, RYEFIELD WAY, SILSDEN, KEIGHLEY, BD20 0EF
Variation Accepted: Operating between Addingham Main Street and Keighley Bus Station given service number 903 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

[SF07]

Today's listings on VOSA:

PB0000582/77 - ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD, 24 BARNSLEY ROAD, WAKEFIELD, WF1 5JX
Variation Accepted: Operating between Selby and Wakefield given service number 150/616 effective from 27-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0000582/78 - ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD, 24 BARNSLEY ROAD, WAKEFIELD, WF1 5JX
Variation Accepted: Operating between Selby and Leeds given service number 403/402/626 effective from 27-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0001748/55 - KEIGHLEY & DISTRICT TRAVEL LTD, PROSPECT PARK, BROUGHTON WAY, STARBECK, HARROGATE, HG2 7NY
Variation Accepted: Operating between Keighley Bus Station and Bradford I/C given service number 662 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB1003659/20 - HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD T/A Connexionsbuses, 6 ST. THOMAS'S WAY, GREEN HAMMERTON, YORK, YO26 8BE
Variation Accepted: Operating between Holt park District Centre and Holt park District Centre given service number 940 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

PC0003680/493 - FIRST MANCHESTER LTD T/A FIRST, WALLSHAW STREET, OLDHAM, OL1 3TR
Variation Accepted: Operating between Manchester Piccadilly and Huddersfield Bus Station given service number 180/184/184X effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.

[hstjohnny]

I think there's something to do with 40A making a return, as far as Bramley?

[SF07]

610 cancelled by First and TLC's registrations in Hebden Bridge/Todmorden and the 650 plus the cancellation of service 963 on VOSA today:

PB0000815/229 - FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Bradford Interchange and Halifax given service number 571 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0000815/504 - FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Tinshill or Ireland Wood and Garforth given service number 18/19/19A effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0000815/812 - FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Bradford interchange and Queensbury Hungerhill given service number 610 effective from 26-Jan-2014.

PB0004246/21 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Bradford and Otley given service number 653 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0004246/23 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Leeds Bradford International Airport and Leeds Bradford International Airport given service number 967 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0004246/26 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Bradford and Ilkley given service number 963 effective from 26-Jan-2014.

PB0004246/35 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Esholt Cricket Club and Shipley Market Place given service number 649 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0004246/48 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: TODMORDEN RAILWAY STATION
Finish Point: CROSS LEE, COWHURST AVENUE
Via:
Service Number: T1
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: MONDAY TO FRIDAY

PB0004246/49 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: SHIPLEY MARKET PLACE
Finish Point: OTLEY BUS STATION
Via:
Service Number: 650
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: MONDAY TO SATURDAY

PB0004246/50 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: CRAGG VALE
Finish Point: HEBDEN BRIDGE RAILWAY STATION
Via:
Service Number: 901
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: MONDAY TO SUNDAY

PB0004246/51 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: HEBDEN BRIDGE, HOPE STREET
Finish Point: OLD TOWN, BILLY LANE TURNING AREA
Via:
Service Number: 599
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: MONDAY TO FRIDAY

PB0004246/52 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: HEBDEN BRIDGE, NEW ROAD
Finish Point: EVES MOUNT, EAVES
Via:
Service Number: 598
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday

PB0004246/53 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: HEBDEN BRIDGE RAILWAY STATION
Finish Point: NEST ESTATE
Via:
Service Number: 597
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: MONDAY TO SATURDAY

PB0004246/54 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: HEBDEN RAILWAY STATION
Finish Point: BLACKSHAW HEAD
Via:
Service Number: 596
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: MONDAY TO SUNDAY

PB0004246/55 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: HEBDEN BRIDGE RAILWAY STATION
Finish Point: CRIMSWORTH TURNING CIRCLE
Via:
Service Number: 595
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: MONDAY TO SUNDAY

PB0004246/56 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: TODMORDEN BUS STATION
Finish Point: WALSDEN, YEW TREE COURT
Via:
Service Number: T8
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: MONDAY TO SUNDAY

PB0004246/57 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: TODMORDEN BUS STATION
Finish Point: HARVELIN PARK
Via:
Service Number: T6
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: MONDAY TO SUNDAY

PB0004246/58 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: TODMORDEN BUS STATION
Finish Point: WOODHOUSE GROVE
Via:
Service Number: T4
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: MONDAY TO SATURDAY

PB0004246/59 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: TODMORDEN BUS STATION
Finish Point: HIGHCROFT
Via:
Service Number: T3
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: MONDAY TO SATURDAY

PB0004246/60 - T L C TRAVEL LTD, 7 LINTON STREET, BRADFORD, BD4 7EZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: TODMORDEN BUS STATION
Finish Point: LONFIELD
Via:
Service Number: T2
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-JAN-2014
Other Details: MONDAY TO SUNDAY

[www.buseireann.ie]

That 650's interesting, maybe TLC have reviewed the 653 and are either slipping in extra journeys running as a 650 from Shipley to complement the 737s or they're cutting the majority of journeys to run Shipley to Otley only.

I feel almost right about my guess with the 610 but I've a funny feeling only a re-routed 570 will be replacing it as obviously the 571 is just a timetable change, and if that's happening then will it see the end of the 539 as I can't see the 570 and 539 both running on the section from Shelf to Queensbury even though the 539 runs on a limited basis that way.

[driver6540]

I wonder what changes will be made to FGM 184 Manchester-Huddersfield route?.

[SCH117X]

Suspect the 650 will simply be the retained, truncated, 963 workings.

[SF07]

Dec 5, 2013 18:53:35 GMT 1 driver6540 said:

I wonder what changes will be made to FGM 184 Manchester-Huddersfield route?.

It is being reported that the times will be changed in Greater Manchester, speeding up the journeys now that the Metrolink work in Oldham town centre has pretty much finished. Could open the door for a return to the joint operation of the Huddersfield-Manchester journeys with First West Yorkshire but First GM may decide to keep the whole service, we'll have to wait and see.

Meanwhile, Yorkshire Tiger/K-Line changes:

PB0004096/2 - TEAMDECK LTD T/A K-LINE, UNIT G10, LOCK VIEW, LOWFIELDS BUSINESS PARK, ELLAND, HX5 9HD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Bracken Hall and Huddersfield Infirmary given service number 360 effective from 27-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB0004096/7 - TEAMDECK LTD T/A K-LINE, UNIT G10, LOCK VIEW, LOWFIELDS BUSINESS PARK, ELLAND, HX5 9HD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Balmoral Ave and Balmoral Ave given service number 366/366 effective from 27-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0004441/20 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD T/A White Rose Bus Co, UNIT G10, LOCK VIEW, LOWFIELDS BUSINESS PARK, ELLAND, HX5 9HD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Tannery Campus, Leeds and Headingley, Leeds given service number 92 effective from 27-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0004441/32 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD T/A White Rose Bus Co, UNIT G10, LOCK VIEW, LOWFIELDS BUSINESS PARK, ELLAND, HX5 9HD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Leeds, kirkstall Brewery and Leeds, Headingly Campus given service number 94 effective from 27-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

PB0004441/33 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD T/A White Rose Bus Co, UNIT G10, LOCK VIEW, LOWFIELDS BUSINESS PARK, ELLAND, HX5 9HD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Leeds, Clarence Dock and Leeds, Headingley Campus given service number 93 effective from 27-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.

PB1078487/9 - YORKSHIRE TIGER LIMITED, UNIT G10, LOCK VIEW, LOWFIELDS BUSINESS PARK, ELLAND, HX5 9HD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Huddersfield and Denby Dale given service number 83/84 effective from 27-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.

[westyorkshirebus]

What will replace the 610 will be interesting, could the 539 be extended to Bradford instead?

If it was the 570, would it still run a loop around Shelf first as running direct from Hipperholme to Hungerhill would be a strange route missing out a lot of potential passengers

[77syk7]

You could run the 570 from Bradford to Shelf, then up to Hungerhill - there and back in an hour, therefore maintaining the Queensbury - Bradford link, but this new route does not have to operated by First!
Little patronage from Hipperholme to Shelf and most of the other route from Hipperholme to Rastrick is duplicated by others, remember the 571 is being retained.