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Post by ricky73 on Aug 13, 2015 2:25:56 GMT 1
I am told, from 5th September, that Arriva will be running Tate's tendered runs on the 212, plus the 213 once again. Yes guyarab, I too have heard the same. I've also heard that most, if not all their South Yorkshire routes, are also being withdrawn under emergency measures. Beginning to look like the improbable is turning into the impossible - only time will tell. |
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Post by SF07 on Aug 14, 2015 19:11:54 GMT 1
Cancellations on VOSA today for the 212 and 213 services:
PB1086413/32 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between DEWSBURY and WAKEFIELD given service number 212 effective from 06-Sep-2015.
PB1086413/33 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between DEWSBURY and MORLEY given service number 213/214 effective from 06-Sep-2015.
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Post by ricky73 on Aug 15, 2015 5:43:01 GMT 1
Cancellations on VOSA today for the 212 and 213 services: PB1086413/32 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between DEWSBURY and WAKEFIELD given service number 212 effective from 06-Sep-2015. PB1086413/33 - TATES TRAVEL LTD T/A TATES TRAVEL GROUP, WHALEY ROAD, BARNSLEY, S75 1HT Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between DEWSBURY and MORLEY given service number 213/214 effective from 06-Sep-2015. Which site was that from ? Checked with latest N & P's (7th August) - no mention of this Ta ! |
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Post by gooderson1 on Aug 15, 2015 6:24:29 GMT 1
The VOSA on line site for bus services dated yesterday
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Post by ricky73 on Aug 15, 2015 13:33:28 GMT 1
The VOSA on line site for bus services dated yesterday Thank you - been looking on N & P's for England North East, when it appears under England North West - strange really, because Barnsley comes under England North East area  |
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Post by ratty on Aug 15, 2015 18:10:52 GMT 1
The VOSA on line site for bus services dated yesterday Thank you - been looking on N & P's for England North East, when it appears under England North West - strange really, because Barnsley comes under England North East area Whilst it may seem strange, Arriva Yorkshire appear on the North West one quite regularly, and its not unknown for East Yorkshire to appear either, now that really does sound strange!! You are probably as well looking on alternate weeks for both alternately, as there is quite often a sizeable crossing over between the two. |
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Post by ricky73 on Aug 16, 2015 18:29:45 GMT 1
Thank you - been looking on N & P's for England North East, when it appears under England North West - strange really, because Barnsley comes under England North East area Whilst it may seem strange, Arriva Yorkshire appear on the North West one quite regularly, and its not unknown for East Yorkshire to appear either, now that really does sound strange!! You are probably as well looking on alternate weeks for both alternately, as there is quite often a sizeable crossing over between the two. DOH ! Thanks guys, will be checking both from now on |
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Post by timelesstable on Aug 29, 2015 9:16:21 GMT 1
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 1, 2015 13:38:45 GMT 1
Tates were using Enviro 1112 and Solo 1182 neither of which could be described to be in even tidy external condition on 213.
Does this mean that the deckers have moved on?
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Post by Penfold on Sept 1, 2015 22:53:55 GMT 1
Tates were using Enviro 1112 and Solo 1182 neither of which could be described to be in even tidy external condition on 213. Does this mean that the deckers have moved on? Not clearly visible but apparently the rear bonnet door is dropping off but has been screwed elsewhere to the body so it cant ! Doesn't exactly inspire you to travel on these buses, added to the 'weathered and in service' look and the lack of straight panels on the lower nearside ! Penfold |
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Post by Penfold on Sept 1, 2015 22:59:26 GMT 1
Tates were using Enviro 1112 and Solo 1182 neither of which could be described to be in even tidy external condition on 213. Does this mean that the deckers have moved on? Now you mention it I haven't seen the deckers for a couple of weeks. They might have joined the 'awaiting repairs' queue in the yard which appears to be that big they cant get the others out ! Penfold |
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Post by ricky73 on Sept 2, 2015 9:19:16 GMT 1
I believe the deckers are still with them (for now anyway) and used mainly on 213's on daytime services
. With regards to timelesstable's post & photo, it would appear to confirm the expected closure of Tates. Think about it, they aren't going to be interested in the continued worsening condition of their rolling stock when they're about to cease trading - makes sense.
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Post by angrycommuter on Sept 2, 2015 10:20:29 GMT 1
Have Tates always been a basket case or was there a time when they were an ok company? If so what has changed to result is such a change in service delivery? Was it the off-shore shenanigans or some other issue - perhaps they tried to run before they could walk by expanding too quickly? Is there potential of a take-over by another company (Yorkshire Tiger immediately springs to mind)?
A shame to see another independent struggle, but if they can't get the basics right they shouldn't be operating.
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Post by ricky73 on Sept 3, 2015 11:22:17 GMT 1
Have Tates always been a basket case or was there a time when they were an ok company? If so what has changed to result is such a change in service delivery? Was it the off-shore shenanigans or some other issue - perhaps they tried to run before they could walk by expanding too quickly? Is there potential of a take-over by another company (Yorkshire Tiger immediately springs to mind)? A shame to see another independent struggle, but if they can't get the basics right they shouldn't be operating. Part of the problem with Tates is that: 1). They still think it's 2003 and that the world has moved backwards and are moving with it. 2). Graham Mallinson, known him for over 20 years - Very shrewd and a good head for the "sharp end of business" and had some good ideas, but sadly his man management skills were very much lacking, if not existent. Last time I spoke to Graham (well over a year ago), he actually conceded that he had expanded too quickly. Personally, I think they have gone well past the point of no return, which is a shame, since in the right hands they could be very succesfull. I believe that most of the rot set in when the off-shore cowboys took over, which suprised me as I thought Graham was not as daft as to be taken in by them........but then every man has his price ! |
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Sept 3, 2015 14:20:09 GMT 1
Have Tates always been a basket case or was there a time when they were an ok company? If so what has changed to result is such a change in service delivery? Was it the off-shore shenanigans or some other issue - perhaps they tried to run before they could walk by expanding too quickly? Is there potential of a take-over by another company (Yorkshire Tiger immediately springs to mind)? A shame to see another independent struggle, but if they can't get the basics right they shouldn't be operating. Part of the problem with Tates is that: 1). They still think it's 2003 and that the world has moved backwards and are moving with it. 2). Graham Mallinson, known him for over 20 years - Very shrewd and a good head for the "sharp end of business" and had some good ideas, but sadly his man management skills were very much lacking, if not existent. Last time I spoke to Graham (well over a year ago), he actually conceded that he had expanded too quickly. Personally, I think they have gone well past the point of no return, which is a shame, since in the right hands they could be very succesfull. I believe that most of the rot set in when the off-shore cowboys took over, which suprised me as I thought Graham was not as daft as to be taken in by them........but then every man has his price ! From the 18 months I did, I can agree about Graham's lack of 'man management'. If Graham had left people to do what they were appointed to do, and been less 'hands on', then everything would have run a lot smoother. It was even said that there wasn't really a need for him to come in each day, as with living only 5 minutes away, he could have worked from home, and only be called in when absolutely necessary. This would have made the staff a lot happier, and kept the workplace a happy place to be, rather than one you dreaded to attend. |
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 3, 2015 18:10:52 GMT 1
A couple of Tates Darts which found their way into Wakefield this afternoon looked to be competing for the bus with most dented and most panels which were a different colour to the rest of the bus.
I think that 1521 EJ52 WXD just edged out 1373 Y373 FJN.
The red Scania Omnicity YN04 GMU still carries Red Triangle legals, no sign anywhere it is being operated by Tates.
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Post by Penfold on Sept 3, 2015 21:08:42 GMT 1
A couple of Tates Darts which found their way into Wakefield this afternoon looked to be competing for the bus with most dented and most panels which were a different colour to the rest of the bus. I think that 1521 EJ52 WXD just edged out 1373 Y373 FJN. The red Scania Omnicity YN04 GMU still carries Red Triangle legals, no sign anywhere it is being operated by Tates. Y373 is the one with the bonnet dropping off and rather bent panels (photo posted recently). WXD was the one with various lights hanging off the other week along with bent panels. The sign that the Omnicity is being operated by them is usually the A4 destination in the front windscreen. It been like it ever since it arrived ! Penfold |
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 4, 2015 6:54:00 GMT 1
A couple of Tates Darts which found their way into Wakefield this afternoon looked to be competing for the bus with most dented and most panels which were a different colour to the rest of the bus. I think that 1521 EJ52 WXD just edged out 1373 Y373 FJN. The red Scania Omnicity YN04 GMU still carries Red Triangle legals, no sign anywhere it is being operated by Tates. Y373 is the one with the bonnet dropping off and rather bent panels (photo posted recently). WXD was the one with various lights hanging off the other week along with bent panels. The sign that the Omnicity is being operated by them is usually the A4 destination in the front windscreen. It been like it ever since it arrived ! Penfold The only paper in the windscreen yesterday was an A4 sized 485 |
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Post by Penfold on Sept 5, 2015 17:17:05 GMT 1
Just seen DX61EOM in all over white on a 213 in Morley which I presume is one of the Hybrids that's with Tates.
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Post by Penfold on Sept 5, 2015 20:24:41 GMT 1
Tates appear to be using an MPD SF04HXN (in all over white with red skirt) this evening. It was sat in Wakefield BS with an A4 piece of paper in the windscreen.
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Post by X212HHE on Sept 12, 2015 19:36:21 GMT 1
Tates Travel have gained 2 all over white Alexander Enviro 200s KX10DVN and KX59CYV both were out in service today on the 96 and 485 photo of KX10DVN waiting time in Wakefield bus station - www.flickr.com/photos/x212-hhe/21171981318/ |
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Post by Matty on Sept 13, 2015 2:53:04 GMT 1
Looks like they are getting themselves back on track again, Globe have taken over some school services so they will probably be using the Hybrid Gemini's on them
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Post by timelesstable on Sept 13, 2015 6:32:15 GMT 1
Looks like they are getting themselves back on track again, Globe have taken over some school services so they will probably be using the Hybrid Gemini's on them Either that or Custers last stand |
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Post by ricky73 on Sept 13, 2015 17:26:14 GMT 1
Looks like they are getting themselves back on track again, Globe have taken over some school services so they will probably be using the Hybrid Gemini's on them Either that or Custers last stand Custer's last words: "Don't worry lads, they're only f@*%**ng Indians !" |
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Post by davep on Sept 18, 2015 23:13:13 GMT 1
Saw the Hibrid Gemini in front of me on the flyover going past First depot in Hunslet this afternoon empty reg DN61EOP heading into Leeds around 3.30pm ,bit out of its area ,useless anyone knows different!
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