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Post by gooderson1 on Jun 27, 2016 11:02:27 GMT 1
Whilst I would hate to see it happen a call to attend a Traffic Commisioners enquiry could result if they are failing to run a service according to the timetable deposited with the TC
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 16:34:59 GMT 1
What an absolute shambles. I'd be very surprised if they last into the beginning of next year. Think they have had the same issue as many other indpendants round here, getting far too big for their own boots far too quickly. Considering they are based in Brighouse, getting tenders for places south of Wakefield(Not far from the Barnsley border) isn't exactly practical when a replacement bus may take up to an hour!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 27, 2016 17:15:07 GMT 1
Tweet from Metro says they won't be operating the 711 at all this week due to vehicle breakdown. Wonder if they'd find a replacement bus if it were one of the tendered routes they were struggling with? The 711 is withdrawn next week anyway. Then presumably this thread will go quiet.
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Post by Burnside on Jun 27, 2016 17:23:18 GMT 1
Tweet from Metro says they won't be operating the 711 at all this week due to vehicle breakdown. Wonder if they'd find a replacement bus if it were one of the tendered routes they were struggling with? The 711 is withdrawn next week anyway. Then presumably this thread will go quiet. So that makes it ok? They are failing to run a service they are obliged to operate. If TLC, Tiger or another operator simply didn't run a service due to having a bus off the road, it would be unacceptable and it is in this case, especially being suspiciously close to the service ending. And it's not as if there isn't any companies that hire buses to operators.
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Post by timelesstable on Jun 27, 2016 17:39:45 GMT 1
The 711 is withdrawn next week anyway. Then presumably this thread will go quiet. So that makes it ok? They are failing to run a service they are obliged to operate. If TLC, Tiger or another operator simply didn't run a service due to having a bus off the road, it would be unacceptable and it is in this case, especially being suspiciously close to the service ending. And it's not as if there isn't any companies that hire buses to operators. Even more who do van hire............... Ooops mini bus hire
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jun 27, 2016 17:41:49 GMT 1
To be fair, the 711 has made huge losses to them and it isn't an essential service, I think the 56 day notice period shouldn't apply for non essential services like the 711 which was taken on commercially after some persuasion (and maybe even some historical figures not reflecting of the impact the opening of Broadway would have) by Metro. I've bleated on here that it wouldn't work now Broadway is open, why go to the White Rose when Broadway is just as good.
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Post by timelesstable on Jun 27, 2016 17:58:58 GMT 1
To be fair, the 711 has made huge losses to them and it isn't an essential service, I think the 56 day notice period shouldn't apply for non essential services like the 711 which was taken on commercially after some persuasion (and maybe even some historical figures not reflecting of the impact the opening of Broadway would have) by Metro. I've bleated on here that it wouldn't work now Broadway is open, why go to the White Rose when Broadway is just as good. Broadway opened back in November last year the impact of which should have been easy to factor in for an operator looking to take over the service the best part of 6 months after the opening.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Jun 27, 2016 18:10:47 GMT 1
The 711 is withdrawn next week anyway. Then presumably this thread will go quiet. So that makes it ok? They are failing to run a service they are obliged to operate. If TLC, Tiger or another operator simply didn't run a service due to having a bus off the road, it would be unacceptable and it is in this case, especially being suspiciously close to the service ending. And it's not as if there isn't any companies that hire buses to operators. No, but it's getting quite boring how every day they announce they aren't running it, everyone posts again the same stuff as if it's the first time it's happened.
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Post by 112jct41 on Jun 27, 2016 18:11:26 GMT 1
LOT not operating 711 this week (3rd week on the trot) according to Metro with reason cited as been due on going vehicular breakdown.
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Post by deerfold on Jun 27, 2016 19:08:10 GMT 1
To be fair, the 711 has made huge losses to them and it isn't an essential service, I think the 56 day notice period shouldn't apply for non essential services like the 711 which was taken on commercially after some persuasion (and maybe even some historical figures not reflecting of the impact the opening of Broadway would have) by Metro. I've bleated on here that it wouldn't work now Broadway is open, why go to the White Rose when Broadway is just as good. So if you don't like a law and it's annoying, you should just be allowed to ignore it?
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jun 27, 2016 19:20:57 GMT 1
If it's costing you your business then yes, really though Metro should never have approached LOT to run it, I can't honestly see why LOT took it on unless they were presented with historically high passenger numbers and not more up to date figures, although having said that LOT should have done a bit of homework themselves just to make sure the figures are right, a couple of days (1 mid week, 1 Saturday) stood in the Interchange watching all 711 arrivals and departures would have been enough.
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Post by Burnside on Jun 27, 2016 19:23:02 GMT 1
Deerfold - Quite. Besides, it may be making a loss, but there will still be some people who use it, maybe even rely on it. Shambolic to be honest. People were (rightly) criticising Tiger in the last days of it operating the Middleton circulars and missed a few journeys so LOT should be criticised for this. It may be coincidence that they are short of serviceable vehicles near the end of a loss making route, but either way, it's a shabby way to treat your customers.
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Post by Burnside on Jun 27, 2016 19:32:05 GMT 1
If it's costing you your business then yes, really though Metro should never have approached LOT to run it, I can't honestly see why LOT took it on unless they were presented with historically high passenger numbers and not more up to date figures, although having said that LOT should have done a bit of homework themselves just to make sure the figures are right, a couple of days (1 mid week, 1 Saturday) stood in the Interchange watching all 711 arrivals and departures would have been enough. If it is making such a loss then that is their own fault. If the 711 not running is them just not sending the bus out and saying it's knackered, they should face the consequences. The rules for registering and withdrawing services are in place for a reason. All i can say is, if someone at Metro is paying attention to this situation, LOT will struggle to win new tenders.
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Post by pub146g on Jun 27, 2016 19:48:15 GMT 1
If it's costing you your business then yes, really though Metro should never have approached LOT to run it, I can't honestly see why LOT took it on unless they were presented with historically high passenger numbers and not more up to date figures, although having said that LOT should have done a bit of homework themselves just to make sure the figures are right, a couple of days (1 mid week, 1 Saturday) stood in the Interchange watching all 711 arrivals and departures would have been enough. If it is making such a loss then that is their own fault. If the 711 not running is them just not sending the bus out and saying it's knackered, they should face the consequences. The rules for registering and withdrawing services are in place for a reason. All i can say is, if someone at Metro is paying attention to this situation, LOT will struggle to win new tenders. Not according to this paragraph which is taken from a recent article about this interesting (to me) business. Link to article at the bottom. Jeanette speaks very highly of Metro, saying, ‘They are an absolutely fantastic organisation. They have given us so much help and advice, everyone has been amazing. They even helped us with our BSOG grant and when they introduced a new system they set it all up and explained how it all worked.’ This system is the Ticketer tracking system, which is linked in to Metro and shows where all her vehicles are at any one time as well as highlighting poor driving through excessive idling. She is extremely proud of the fact that they haven’t gained any ‘penalty points’ saying, ‘We’re zero all the way.’ She describes her relationship with Metro as ‘superb’, she said, ‘We do a good job for them. We never miss trips, we’ve been late sometimes but that’s unavoidable.’ She added, ‘We get loads of good feedback from our customers and we never get complaints. A driver from another operator made a complaint once though that one of our driver’s was TOO friendly! www.busandcoachbuyer.com/lot-transport/
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Post by Burnside on Jun 27, 2016 20:16:11 GMT 1
The article is full of stuff about how it's not about money but putting the customer first. Wouldn't seem that way to anybody needing a 711 lately.
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Post by mutty on Jun 27, 2016 22:23:25 GMT 1
Have a look at LOT's accounts, free of charge on companies house , negative balance sheet , negative cash balance, obviously doing something wrong, all they do is under cut everyone then can't even deliver a decent service !
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Post by deerfold on Jun 27, 2016 23:56:20 GMT 1
LOT not operating 711 this week (3rd week on the trot) according to Metro with reason cited as been due on going vehicular breakdown. Where are they saying that? Looking on their website, all I can see is this link showing it as running at 50% service. www.wymetro.com/travelnews/busalerts/Changes-to-service-711/
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Post by 112jct41 on Jun 28, 2016 5:06:31 GMT 1
LOT not operating 711 this week (3rd week on the trot) according to Metro with reason cited as been due on going vehicular breakdown. Where are they saying that? Looking on their website, all I can see is this link showing it as running at 50% service. www.wymetro.com/travelnews/busalerts/Changes-to-service-711/On Twitter Metro have tweeted sayin 711 wont be running this week due ongoing vehicular breakdown and we all know that this is the third consecutive week its not ran.
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Post by 112jct41 on Jun 28, 2016 5:10:04 GMT 1
And here is exactly what was tweeted and seems to be making a few theories on here valid: 711 #LOT bus will not run for the rest of this week, due to ongoing vehicle breakdown. #Bradford #Pudsey #WhiteRoseShoppingCentre #WYbus
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Post by whereami on Jun 28, 2016 12:43:47 GMT 1
Is the female owner of LOT, trying to copy the female owner of TLC? Obviously, I work for TLC, and TLC goes after tendered work, with depots in 3 areas, which is what LOT seem to be going after, albeit, all run from their only depot at Brighouse.
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Post by gooderson1 on Jun 29, 2016 13:20:17 GMT 1
At 1000 this morning R444LOT was creeping along Huddersfield Rd, Meltham. The white smoke from the exhaust was so excessive that the bus enveloped. I assume it was doing the first round trip on the 933(0930 start). The vehicle was still there at 1310 and a different vehicle operating the service. They do appear to have spare vehicles for tendered services(being operated with Metro money) but not the 711.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Jun 29, 2016 13:40:06 GMT 1
Can't understand people's obsession on here about the 711 needing to operate, nobody uses it except the odd fool waiting 3 years for it to turn up outside Ringway's whilst numerous number 9 buses pass by, it makes a massive loss which if carried on will impact on essential supported services because if LOT run into financial trouble, they'll start to hand back supported services which other operators like Arriva won't cover for the amount Metro will be willing to pay. For those desperate to travel from Bradford to White Rose, quite why I don't know but believe it or not, you can get a bus to Pudsey and another to White Rose, or travel via Leeds. Your not cut off forever from White Rose so don't have nightmares!
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Post by gooderson1 on Jun 29, 2016 16:05:15 GMT 1
It is not an obsession. It is a requirement by the traffic commissioners to operate the service to the route and timetable as deposited with the TC's and not as LOT see fit. A number of operators both small and large have appeared and been fined, prevented from registering new services or had their vehicle allowance cut. If you register a service you operate it. Simply as that.
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Post by northerner on Jun 29, 2016 20:15:07 GMT 1
It is not an obsession. It is a requirement by the traffic commissioners to operate the service to the route and timetable as deposited with the TC's and not as LOT see fit. A number of operators both small and large have appeared and been fined, prevented from registering new services or had their vehicle allowance cut. If you register a service you operate it. Simply as that. Agreed, although I do think the current system is useless for holding operators to account. For example First Bradford cancel numerous journeys each day through a lack of drivers -last week this happened to 2 consecutive buses I aimed to travel on. Nothing has been done and it is unacceptable fines are not imposed for each cancellation an operator is responsible for. Likewise Transdev Keighley drivers like to run early, the 760 runs early most days now between Rodley and Leeds because the running time allocated is far too generous. A couple of weeks ago a driver left Kirkstall 6 minutes early. These incidents should not be occurring yet they allow it because there are no incentives to stop it LOT may have a spare bus to cover for failures, and may be using a breakdown as a cover up, but if the route is making a loss and they know they will be able get away with not running it, who can blame them?
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Post by gooderson1 on Jun 29, 2016 21:05:08 GMT 1
You can record your observations and forward them to the TC in Leeds and ask them to investigate. I believe that the TC's have decided that is a journey runs a couple of minutes early or about 5 minutes late then the journey is deemed not to have run(I stand to be corrected on the times if they are wrong). It is not unknown for staff from the commissioners office to do road side checks on routes. Evidence gained from these obversatioms are then used at any enquiry
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