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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 2, 2015 19:23:35 GMT 1
I'm surprised they are opening the Interchange. Particularly when 99% of travellers will probably be heading to The Broadway and there are no trains to connect with, they could have saved some staffing overheads by just using city centre stops.
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Post by MT on Dec 2, 2015 20:07:55 GMT 1
wymetro.com/holidays/Why does the Christmas Day bus service H51 (Morley - LGI - Jimmy's) say it's operated by Black Prince Buses...? It'll be operated by preserved Black Prince Optare Prisma 577 (N577 EUG) Sent from my GT-S7275R using proboards Cheers, I wondered if someone at Metro had mixed up the 2015 Christmas Day services with 1995s!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 2, 2015 20:45:07 GMT 1
So to summarise:
NEW: Transdev 1 (Harrogate), 36, 662, 843 Arriva 126, 150, 497 First 512, 521, 543, 548/549, 576, 579, 590, 607, 614, 617/618, 620, 626, 636/637, 640/641, 645
No change, exactly the same as last year: 1, 2/3/3A, 4, 5, 6, 7, 12/13/13A, 16/16A, 19, 33/33A, 40, 42, 49, 50/50A, 51/52, 56, 81/82, 110, 113, 185 (First), 202/203, 301, 306, 310/314, 324, 328, 370, 372, 444, 757, X98, H11
Minor timetable change but no change to route, frequency or number of trips: 66, 229, 254, 703, 717, 719
Other changes: 72 & 363 now use Bradford Interchange not Hall Ings 93 withdrawn 166 now runs as alternate 163 & 166 and uses Park Row not Bus Station/New York Street 189 now runs as 185 and extended to Pontefract 268 now runs as 268A and extended to run full route 503 now runs as 501 with new times 508 now runs hourly not every 30-60 minutes 760 increased from hourly to run every 30 minutes
Finally all Halifax services use the Bus Station not King Edward Street/Market Street
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 13, 2015 21:23:42 GMT 1
30 buses running Bradford services on Boxing day out of Bramley depot, couldn't get the engineering staff to work in Bradford. 17 running out of Halifax, don't know exact figure for Leeds and Huddersfield. Now I've had chance to look at the timetables, those numbers look a tad high. Are they doing extended layovers like Arriva do on Boxing Day where the driver stays with the bus on their break, meaning each cycle needs one extra bus than it would usually do? Bradford looks more like 20 buses otherwise, unless the 72 is included, plus there is the controversy of who would be doing the 576!
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Post by andy1 on Dec 13, 2015 22:12:21 GMT 1
Actually its 19 buses from Halifax! regarding Bradford perhaps their are running all the 576 and 72s exclusively?
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Post by deerfold on Dec 13, 2015 22:51:45 GMT 1
I'm surprised they are opening the Interchange. Particularly when 99% of travellers will probably be heading to The Broadway and there are no trains to connect with, they could have saved some staffing overheads by just using city centre stops. National Express also has substantial Boxing Day services.
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Post by chrisboy96 on Dec 14, 2015 7:47:18 GMT 1
Actually its 19 buses from Halifax! regarding Bradford perhaps their are running all the 576 and 72s exclusively? Bramley is running the 72 albeit with deckers instead of FTR's. Bramley is also providing the buses for Bradford routes on Boxing Day.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Dec 25, 2015 18:28:27 GMT 1
Nice treat to see Black Princes N577 EUG go up an down Beckett Street all day. I told my younger brother to look out for it, told him black prince buses used to run around when he was a kid. Now he's a teenager and different Will be using the buses for Boxing Day instead of car, will be interesting to see what they use
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Post by Dom on Dec 25, 2015 23:18:30 GMT 1
Don't forget to get photos of Bramley buses on Bradford routes. I'm sadly working, so anybody who can post them on here, I'd really appreciate seeing them
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Post by steviewevie on Dec 26, 2015 1:39:16 GMT 1
What I don't understand is why certain operators appear to be running empty journeys at the start /finish of the day. Surely if you are running empty all the way from Otley to Leeds (for example) it's better to run in service isn't it?
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Post by kendall17 on Dec 26, 2015 10:20:16 GMT 1
What I don't understand is why certain operators appear to be running empty journeys at the start /finish of the day. Surely if you are running empty all the way from Otley to Leeds (for example) it's better to run in service isn't it? Not necessarily, drivers hours can be a factor, as is the subsidy offered.
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Post by gooderson1 on Dec 26, 2015 10:54:17 GMT 1
I am not sure if it still applies but in the past fuel rebate was only available to a vehicle in passenger service. Therefore operators tried to avoid dead mileage like the plague.
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Post by rwilkes on Dec 26, 2015 11:06:06 GMT 1
Shame the day is such a washout when Transdev had made such a good commercial effort. 36 diverted by flooding at Harewood Bridge. Much more problems to follow I guess.
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Dec 26, 2015 12:14:50 GMT 1
I am not sure if it still applies but in the past fuel rebate was only available to a vehicle in passenger service. Therefore operators tried to avoid dead mileage like the plague. That hasn't been the case in England in years (certainly not in my career), BSOG is paid against all service bus mileage necessary for the provision of the service including dead, the Welsh Assembly have different rules which don't allow dead mileage to be claimed but England is unchanged. The simple reason will often be you can run faster out of service than you can in service, you don't have to stop for passengers and can take the most direct route. As has been observed it tends to happen at the start & end of day when you expect little contra-flow traffic (everyone is going into town in the morning & out of town in the evening), by doing this you can often combine two journeys that would otherwise have to be worked by different vehicles enabling you to send the extra vehicle & driver later and save money on pay etc. Dead mileage is wasteful, you are paying for fuel & wages and not earning any money, so operators will try to minimise it but it is always a case of balancing income & cost and not incurring unnecessary cost for limited potential income.
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Post by hstjohnny on Dec 26, 2015 13:58:19 GMT 1
Shame the day is such a washout when Transdev had made such a good commercial effort. 36 diverted by flooding at Harewood Bridge. Much more problems to follow I guess. 36 diverting via 771 route to Wetherby then A58 to Leeds as Harewood bridge is flooded, and now Pool Bridge has gone too! 66 diverting via A65 due to flooding in Utley Coastliner 843 not serving Tadcaster due to flooding 626 not serving Baildon With rising flood levels, the worse is yet to come!
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Post by 37057 on Dec 26, 2015 15:19:03 GMT 1
72 operated by enviro 400s only
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Post by sharksmith on Dec 26, 2015 16:04:29 GMT 1
I know there's probably lots of interworking going on today but this is a list of the First Leeds buses I've photographed on First Bradford routes today.
614 - 69340,44,47 617 - 69269 620 - 69349 626 - 37663,65 ironic that this is the route with deckers allocated since the bus is sitting out of service in Shipley for half an hour due to the flooding at Baildon Bridge. 640 - 69343 641 - 69337
I'm sure someone will provide a more comprehensive list later in the day, personally I couldn't face trogging into Bradford City Centre. From what I could tell the loadings were reasonably good to say this is the first year of Boxing Day buses in Bradford.
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Post by SCH117X on Dec 26, 2015 17:22:18 GMT 1
Shame the day is such a washout when Transdev had made such a good commercial effort. 36 diverted by flooding at Harewood Bridge. Much more problems to follow I guess. Saw a 36 ex Leeds at 3.45 passing Bettys in Harrogate devoid of passengers so does look like a washout of passengers as well. Pity as they have some stick for not running to Ripon saying they might do it next year if todays journeys prove successful.
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Post by deerfold on Dec 26, 2015 18:03:55 GMT 1
Guessing that should be the A629 or that's quite a diversion!
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Post by WYBS on Dec 26, 2015 18:53:56 GMT 1
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Dec 26, 2015 19:30:40 GMT 1
72 operated by enviro 400s only Well not quite I saw 37715 on there around 2.30pm lol
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 26, 2015 20:11:33 GMT 1
Loadings were high from what I saw, They had single decks on the 508 which had standing loads.
The 548/549 was also diverting via the 547 route due to flooding in Brighouse, although I over heard one driver in mild panic as he didn't know that route. The 592 still left Halifax displaying 'Todmorden' although I expect they didn't get any further than Mytholmroyd.
Bramley were also running the 576 in its entirety meaning 'Leeds' branded buses not just in Bradford but in Halifax as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 20:31:35 GMT 1
Loadings were high from what I saw, They had single decks on the 508 which had standing loads. The 548/549 was also diverting via the 547 route due to flooding in Brighouse, although I over heard one driver in mild panic as he didn't know that route. The 592 still left Halifax displaying 'Todmorden' although I expect they didn't get any further than Mytholmroyd. Bramley were also running the 576 in its entirety meaning 'Leeds' branded buses not just in Bradford but in Halifax as well. Good to hear that loading's was high,wonder if we will get an even better service next year? I Would of thought 592 would have been able to run to at least Hebden Bridge Rail Stn.
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Post by gledhill56 on Dec 26, 2015 21:20:52 GMT 1
Going by this picture of the centre of Mytholmroyd, don't think they would have got to Hebden Bridge station.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 26, 2015 21:45:31 GMT 1
The 363 became a bit of a fiasco in the hour I was in Bradford, and there are some comments on Twitter to back this up.
They were running 20 mins late due to the adverse weather conditions
One bus tracked down to 'due' in the Interchange and then disappeared. I think the driver forgot to serve the Interchange.
The next bus dropped passengers off and then either due to the late running or due to being over hours, set off back to Huddersfield out of service. Therefore no 363 for at least 90 mins if not more.
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