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Post by SF07 on Feb 10, 2011 10:36:17 GMT 1
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Post by fwybuses on Feb 10, 2011 19:52:18 GMT 1
Stop tendering any service between Headingley and Leeds. Save's Money. First don't need anything. 28/97/6/1 and 95 are ALWAYS full till headingley no matter what time of day.
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Post by Jack on Feb 10, 2011 19:53:06 GMT 1
Stop tendering any service between Headingley and Leeds. Save Money. How do you know those specific journeys are tendered in the first place?
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Post by holland1987 on Feb 10, 2011 21:11:06 GMT 1
Tendering. Is that where a council uses tax payers money to fund companies like First to operate a service.
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Post by danielnew on Feb 14, 2011 0:02:25 GMT 1
Stop tendering any service between Headingley and Leeds. Save's Money. First don't need anything. 28/97/6/1 and 95 are ALWAYS full till headingley no matter what time of day. Totally agree the way it can be found out which services are tendered at some point during a day or on a day of the week is by looking at the METRO bus map for each district which they have now stopped printing for good but on the index to services section it tells you with each subsidised service having an M in a circle next to the operator code. The only routes in Leeds not to have any subsidised element are the 28B, 36, 48, 53, 55, 61, 71, 74, 90, 91A, 92, 95, 213, 217, 225, 410, 444, 481, 508, 711, 714, 737, 743, 747, 757, 767, 781, 840, 843, 844, 845, X6, X10, X11, X14, X25, X35, X41, X45, X55, X62, X98 & X99. First have been holding METRO to ransom to provide them with subsidies for commercially viable services for years owing to the monopoly on the market in the region until Centrebus and Yorkshire Line have joined the scene which may disrupt things. How First & Arriva can justify asking METRO to pay towards routes like the 1, 2, 3, 3A, 4 (that's even crew operated as a tended working!), 6, 12, 13, 13A, 28, 42, 49, 50, 50A, 51, 56, 72, 97, 110, 163 & 166 is beyond me as these routes are busy all the time certainly carrying more than 12 passengers per journey on average which is the threshold patronage. What other industries recieve large subsidies to line the pockets of shareholders of big corporations besides the bus & rail industry and the banks! I can totally understand subsidy for rural and evening and sunday services when they are not commercially viable but they are especially the 72 - it could be operated 24/7 and still make a massive profit!
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Post by holland1987 on Feb 14, 2011 1:00:11 GMT 1
First do not need tax payers money. No big company does.
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Post by Jamie on Feb 14, 2011 1:18:18 GMT 1
First do not need tax payers money. No big company does. Not strictly true, Comapanies such as First/Arriva/Stagecoach/Trandev/Go Ahead all need to make profits to there services. If people used the services enough the money for funding would not be needed take the recent cuts in North Yorkshire on a Sunday the likes of Arriva will only run the 415 and 400/1 because of people not using the buses. Would you as a operator put a bus out every hour or 2 hours to pick up a mere say 3 passengers?
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 14, 2011 7:50:53 GMT 1
First do not need tax payers money. No big company does. Not strictly true, Comapanies such as First/Arriva/Stagecoach/Trandev/Go Ahead all need to make profits to there services. If people used the services enough the money for funding would not be needed take the recent cuts in North Yorkshire on a Sunday the likes of Arriva will only run the 415 and 400/1 because of people not using the buses. Would you as a operator put a bus out every hour or 2 hours to pick up a mere say 3 passengers? I'm sure Arriva Yorkshire have a few more Sunday services which are profitable in West Yorkshire
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 14, 2011 18:27:15 GMT 1
Most of the services above may have very little subsidised element. i.e one journey at 5am
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 14, 2011 18:38:42 GMT 1
Most of the services above may have very little subsidised element. i.e one journey at 5am It is a pity that Metro don't highlight any supported trip(s) on each individual timetable.
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Post by BusNut on Feb 14, 2011 19:16:57 GMT 1
Looks like the Leeds FreeCityBus is going from April 1, according to the VOSA entry below:
PB0000815/664 - FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PL Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between LEEDS RAILWAY STATION and LEEDS RAILWAY STATION given service number CITY CENTRE CIRCULAR effective from 01-Apr-2011.
This is all a stark contrast from South Yorkshire, which are actually pumping more money into the tendered bus network. The full majority of the savings appear to be coming from the child fare (currently 40p) rising to 50p in April, and then 60p/70p for the next 2 years.
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Post by Craig on Feb 14, 2011 19:20:44 GMT 1
Totally agree the way it can be found out which services are tendered at some point during a day or on a day of the week is by looking at the METRO bus map for each district which they have now stopped printing for good but on the index to services section it tells you with each subsidised service having an M in a circle next to the operator code. The only routes in Leeds not to have any subsidised element are the 28B, 36, 48, 53, 55, 61, 71, 74, 90, 91A, 92, 95, 213, 217, 225, 410, 444, 481, 508, 711, 714, 737, 743, 747, 757, 767, 781, 840, 843, 844, 845, X6, X10, X11, X14, X25, X35, X41, X45, X55, X62, X98 & X99. This is true as a rough guideline but its not very accurate. For example using the list above, the old 55 daytime only service was commercial but now the 55 runs tendered journeys alongside the 51. Surely the 71 Wigton Moor extension is tendered if not the whole route in the evening. The 90 is tendered evenings/Sundays and I thought the airport services receive Metro money. As a rough guideline the main services in Leeds are only funded before 6am and 8pm (weekends these hours are a bit shorter). Even then it doesn't mean that after 8pm the whole network is paid for by Metro, just certain elements will be tendered.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 14, 2011 19:30:02 GMT 1
Looks like the Leeds FreeCityBus is going from April 1, according to the VOSA entry below: PB0000815/664 - FIRST WEST YORKSHIRE LTD, HUNSLET PARK DEPOT, DONISTHORPE STREET, LEEDS, LS10 1PL Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between LEEDS RAILWAY STATION and LEEDS RAILWAY STATION given service number CITY CENTRE CIRCULAR effective from 01-Apr-2011. I'm sure they haven't officially voted yet. It was still 'at risk' in today's press coverage.
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Post by Matty on Feb 14, 2011 20:12:06 GMT 1
Centrebus running it maybe??
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Post by Jamie on Feb 14, 2011 20:52:07 GMT 1
Centrebus running it maybe?? Doubt it. Talking to CB staff today they aren't looking to expand Leeds apart from possible expantion at LBIA which I can't disclose details as of sort yet.
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Post by SF07 on Feb 14, 2011 21:55:10 GMT 1
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Post by danielnew on Feb 15, 2011 3:37:44 GMT 1
Most of the services above may have very little subsidised element. i.e one journey at 5am It is a pity that Metro don't highlight any supported trip(s) on each individual timetable. Indeed a lot of local authorities identify each individual trip that is supported. What with the devastating cuts to the West Yorkshire network over the last 20 years, how can there be anything left to cut or subsdise on the core routes?
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Post by suttoncoastguard on Feb 15, 2011 9:03:30 GMT 1
Does Metro pay for all the Leeds /Bradford free city bus?
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Post by A1YBG on Feb 15, 2011 10:08:37 GMT 1
Does Metro pay for all the Leeds /Bradford free city bus? I assumed it was the "sponsors" thats names are on the bus that helps fund it. Like the council, First Transpennine and Park Lane College. Metro just pays most with help from those.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Feb 15, 2011 18:19:50 GMT 1
Does Metro pay for all the Leeds /Bradford free city bus? It's 50/50 between Metro and the relevant council.
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Post by SF07 on Feb 15, 2011 21:19:16 GMT 1
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Post by dwarfer1979 on Feb 16, 2011 9:34:16 GMT 1
And just to add to the difficulties the DfT have recently announced that free bus services (like the Free Town Buses in West Yorks) are not eligible for BSOG, and never should have been but that is a seperate issue that I don't fully understand, so increasing the cost of retaining them even higher.
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Post by timelesstable on Feb 16, 2011 10:36:18 GMT 1
Does Metro pay for all the Leeds /Bradford free city bus? It's 50/50 between Metro and the relevant council. Which ever way this is cut, the taxpayers of West Yorkshire are still paying the lions share with some "donations" by specfic organisations with a vested interest
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Post by 77syk7 on Feb 17, 2011 20:31:48 GMT 1
I know we have to face cuts - but I cannot see Leeds wanting to be left behind other major cities with the Free City Buses. GMPTE have recently invested considerbale money on 20 hybrid buses for their 3 Free City Bus routes
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Post by kendall17 on Feb 17, 2011 20:59:29 GMT 1
Have they invested more? I mean the lease of the new Hybrids will be around the same as paying First running costs incl. the use of their Solos. Also you'd of thought running costs will be cheaper?
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