January 2011 Service Changes

[SF07]

First change of the new year is up on VOSA, Centrebus changing the times on the 92.

PB0004441/20 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD T/A White Rose Bus Co, 102, CANNOCK STREET, LEICESTER, LE4 9HR
Variation Accepted: Operating between Tannery Campus, Leeds and Headingley, Leeds given service number 92 effective from 02-Jan-2011. To amend Timetable.

Perhaps some evening and weekend services? Have a go against First on the university routes

[Craig]

Or cancellation of the existing evening buses... depending on how successful they've been?

[danielnew]

Centrebus have been very successful with the 92 I've been casually monitoring passenger numbers on it seeing as I live in Headingley and there's always at least 40-50% occupancy during the day rising to around 70-80% in the peaks based on a Dart SLF.

[SF07]

Few changes on VOSA for January from HJC, Centrebus and Transdev:

*PB0003419/6 - ANTHONY ROGER BLACKMAN T/A HALIFAX JOINT COMMITTEE, UNIT 10, THRUM HALL INDUSTRIAL PARK, ALBERT ROAD, HALIFAX, HX2 0DB
Variation Accepted: Operating between Halifax Bus Station and Hebden Bridge, Bankfoot given service number 392 effective from 10-Jan-2011. To amend Timetable.

*PB0003419/57 - ANTHONY ROGER BLACKMAN T/A HALIFAX JOINT COMMITTEE, UNIT 10, THRUM HALL INDUSTRIAL PARK, ALBERT ROAD, HALIFAX, HX2 0DB
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Halifax Bus Station and Dewbury Bus Station given service number X79 effective from 10-Jan-2011.

*PB1078487/31 - Huddersfield Bus Company Limited T/A THE HUDDERSFIELD BUS COMPANY, 102 Cannock St, Leicester, LE4 9HR
Variation Accepted: Operating between Halifax Bus Station and Rochdale Bus Station given service number 528 effective from 30-Jan-2011. To amend Timetable.

*PC0005249/10 - BURNLEY & PENDLE TRAVEL LTD, PROSPECT PARK, BROUGHTON WAY, HARROGATE, HG2 7NY
Variation Accepted: Operating between Colne and Keighley/Trawden given service number 20/21/22/23/24/25/27 effective from 09-Jan-2011. To amend Timetable.

[SF07]

Some early January changes are printed in the Metro Changing Times booklet for December

*92 (Centrebus) - Service extended to 11pm during term times and new university holiday timetable will be introduced, running hourly between 8am and 8pm - from 2nd January 2011
*392 (HJC) - The 7.12am journey from Halifax to Hebden Bridge is withdrawn - from 10th January 2011

www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/C5306F80-9775-4B54-BF91-D8E4CA4A29B7/0/CT56_infoleaflet.pdf

[danielnew]

I knew it would be an increase rather than a reduction for the 92 well done Centrebus for turning this route around, hope they will do the same with the rest of their Leeds network that was inherited from a failing, dismal end that First subscribed these route to! I really disliked Centrebus when they first entered Hertfordshire because of their budget approach to operations however now they are becoming a well respected, professional company!

[Craig]

First Leeds losing a few more routes in the new year...

PB0004441/24 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD T/A White Rose Bus Co, 102, CANNOCK STREET, LEICESTER, LE4 9HR

* Registration Accepted
* Starting Point: Farsley, Gardens
* Finish Point: Ganners Hill
* Via:
* Service Number: 80
* Service Type: Hail & Ride
* Effective Date: 30-JAN-2011
* Other Details: Mondays to Fridays except bank/public holidays.

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PB0004441/25 - WHITE ROSE BUS CO LTD T/A White Rose Bus Co, 102, CANNOCK STREET, LEICESTER, LE4 9HR

* Registration Accepted
* Starting Point: Leeds, Eastgate
* Finish Point: Bramley Centre
* Via:
* Service Number: 66
* Service Type: Normal Stopping
* Effective Date: 30-JAN-2011
* Other Details: Monmdays to Saturdays except bank/public holidays.

[fwybuses]

With the loss of these routes, COULD we see an investment of new vehicles & an increase on the key corridor services? So 1 to every 7/8 minutes, 95 to every 7/8 minutes, X84 back up to 15 minutes, 2/3/12/13 to every 7/8 minutes (3/13/3A/13A), 33/33A back to every 20 minutes each into guiseley, 47 re-instated to wigton moor and a every 10 minute frequency to moortown corner etc?
Or is too quick for the tide to change at first?

[northerner]

First don't need any more new vehicles, their fleet is relatively young

[fwybuses]

Nov 29, 2010 20:31:28 GMT 1 northerner said:

First don't need any more new vehicles, their fleet is relatively young

ALX400 on lease, R reg single deckers they are not young.
And while they may have 03/04 fleet they look & sound older unlike the transdev fleet of similar age.

[kendall17]

Nov 29, 2010 20:21:55 GMT 1 fwybuses said:

With the loss of these routes, COULD we see an investment of new vehicles & an increase on the key corridor services? So 1 to every 7/8 minutes, 95 to every 7/8 minutes, X84 back up to 15 minutes, 2/3/12/13 to every 7/8 minutes (3/13/3A/13A), 33/33A back to every 20 minutes each into guiseley, 47 re-instated to wigton moor and a every 10 minute frequency to moortown corner etc?
Or is too quick for the tide to change at first?

So, what you're suggesting is to revert back to the old ways?

Things aren't working too shabbily during the daytime as it is.

Also note that 90% of the time, the current First fleet will get you from A to B and is DDA compliant. It doesn't need much more investment in the near future.

[Jack]

Nov 29, 2010 20:39:00 GMT 1 fwybuses said:

ALX400 on lease, R reg single deckers they are not young.
And while they may have 03/04 fleet they look & sound older unlike the transdev fleet of similar age.

Do they actually lease them though? Wouldn't the cost of the asset other its lifetime be greater than the cost of it being depreciated.

[westyorkshirebus]

This thread has gone off on a bit of a tangent. I can't see any connection between First losing some low profile routes needing 3 buses max, to a major replacement of the fleet and massive increase in PVR on umpteen Overground routes?. They'll send 3 small buses to Halifax to replace some older Darts and that will be it.

Back on track, I expected the 80 & 66 to pass to Centrebus at some stage. I think these are the last two of these low profile services that First still operate in Leeds, everything else is fairly core network.

[kendall17]

Nov 29, 2010 20:52:59 GMT 1 Jack said:

Nov 29, 2010 20:39:00 GMT 1 fwybuses said:

ALX400 on lease, R reg single deckers they are not young.
And while they may have 03/04 fleet they look & sound older unlike the transdev fleet of similar age.

Do they actually lease them though? Wouldn't the cost of the asset other its lifetime be greater than the cost of it being depreciated.

Probably on a hire-to-buy agreement which lasts the entirity of the buses lifetime.

[kendall17]

I can tell you that the tyres are leased from Michelin.

[mollman]

Nov 29, 2010 20:31:28 GMT 1 northerner said:

First don't need any more new vehicles, their fleet is relatively young

Yes in Leeds, but not in Calderdale or Huddersfield. Centrebus will need to find some new vehicles from somewhere as well. How many more low frequency services are left in Leeds thatare run by First?

[Matty]

Centrebus don't need any new buses soon! except maybe 1 to replace K278 EWA at Huddersfield! & later K3 YCL & WLT 528 in a couple of years. Centrebus' fleet is reasonably young with the oldest LF bus a R reg.

[mollman]

I meant new buses to cover the new services taken over from First unless there going to be interworked with existing services.

[Jack]

Dec 1, 2010 17:25:16 GMT 1 mollman said:

I meant new buses to cover the new services taken over from First unless there going to be interworked with existing services.

Well looking further up the thread, the 528 appears to be going so a few buses could be freed up from that.

[Matty]

The 528 is just having it's timetable changed, from what I've heard it is still going to be the same frequency.

[Jack]

Dec 1, 2010 18:21:14 GMT 1 Matty said:

The 528 is just having it's timetable changed, from what I've heard it is still going to be the same frequency.

My bad, thought it said cancellation.

[SF07]

I imagine they'll re-time the journey times, maybe shortening the waiting time in Rochdale and give them a faster running time in Greater Manchester.

[dwarfer1979]

Dec 1, 2010 23:41:54 GMT 1 SF07 said:

I imagine they'll re-time the journey times, maybe shortening the waiting time in Rochdale and give them a faster running time in Greater Manchester.

The change to the 528 is the introduction of 1 extra early morning journey into Halifax from Ripponden.

[SF07]

Dec 2, 2010 9:41:37 GMT 1 dwarfer1979 said:

Dec 1, 2010 23:41:54 GMT 1 SF07 said:

I imagine they'll re-time the journey times, maybe shortening the waiting time in Rochdale and give them a faster running time in Greater Manchester.

The change to the 528 is the introduction of 1 extra early morning journey into Halifax from Ripponden.

Makes sense, given the first bus from Ripponden to Halifax is 8.13am/8.18am. Restoring the earlier journey that was lost when the journey from Mill Bank was withdrawn.

[SF07]

Couple of changes from Arriva on VOSA:

*PB0000107/8 - ARRIVA YORKSHIRE WEST LTD, 24 BARNSLEY ROAD, WAKEFIELD, WF1 5JX
Variation Accepted: Operating between Halifax and Wakefield given service number 278 effective from 29-Jan-2011. To amend Timetable.
PB0000582/9 - ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD, 24 BARNSLEY ROAD, WAKEFIELD, WF1 5JX

*Variation Accepted: Operating between Wakefield and Leeds given service number 184/185/189 effective from 31-Jan-2011. To amend Timetable.
PB0000582/14 - ARRIVA YORKSHIRE LTD, 24 BARNSLEY ROAD, WAKEFIELD, WF1 5JX

*Variation Accepted: Operating between Castleford and Leeds given service number 163/166/504/526/588 effective from 31-Jan-2011. To amend Timetable.