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Post by Jack on Apr 21, 2010 13:01:51 GMT 1
In this week's edition of Coach & Bus Week article. There's a new story on plans by First to possibly deploy all the Wright Streetcars in Leeds and York onto York Park & Ride services.
They're currently in consultation with York City Council over the plans.
Conductors wouldn't be used for Park & Ride with on street ticketing systems being used instead.
The Streetcars would also be upseated from 42 seats to 51 to match that of the Citaros. The Citaros would then be moved to Leeds to replace the withdrawn Wright artics.
There's been numerous operational problems in Leeds with buses grounding in the Pudsey area, increasing traffic congestion causing reliability problems which would be exacerbated by the new Pudsey Bus Station. So it would difficult to maintain existing service levels with the current fleet.
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Post by timelesstable on Apr 21, 2010 14:21:37 GMT 1
In this week's edition of Coach & Bus Week article. There's a new story on plans by First to possibly deploy all the Wright Streetcars in Leeds and York onto York Park & Ride services. They're currently in consultation with York City Council over the plans. Conductors wouldn't be used for Park & Ride with on street ticketing systems being used instead. The Streetcars would also be upseated from 42 seats to 51 to match that of the Citaros. The Citaros would then be moved to Leeds to replace the withdrawn Wright artics. There's been numerous operational problems in Leeds with buses grounding in the Pudsey area, increasing traffic congestion causing reliability problems which would be exacerbated by the new Pudsey Bus Station. So it would difficult to maintain existing service levels with the current fleet. Not read the article but if the York Citaros replace the Wright Volvos in Leeds and the Leeds Streetcars are going to replace the York Citaros. What is going to replace the Leeds Streetcars?
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Post by kendall17 on Apr 21, 2010 14:43:38 GMT 1
The Citaros would be an ideal replacement for the Volvos in Leeds. I presume Hybrid Gems will be used on the 4!
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Post by timelesstable on Apr 21, 2010 16:47:51 GMT 1
The Citaros would be an ideal replacement for the Volvos in Leeds. I presume Hybrid Gems will be used on the 4! Do you know if they have some on order?
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Post by kendall17 on Apr 21, 2010 17:01:27 GMT 1
The Citaros would be an ideal replacement for the Volvos in Leeds. I presume Hybrid Gems will be used on the 4! Do you know if they have some on order? FWY won a grant from the Government for 22(i think) green buses. Firstly they were on about using them on the Scott Halls, then replacing the Volvo Bendis with them. I presume, now with talk of the Citaros making their way to Leeds and FTRs going opposite, that'll leave the hybrids for the 4.
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Post by timelesstable on Apr 21, 2010 17:21:51 GMT 1
With all the Streetcars being potentially bound for York does this mean Tommy will get all the Streetcar lovers joining him for a trip around York!
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Apr 21, 2010 18:18:46 GMT 1
The bus station at Pudsey is being built to accomodate the Streetcars and bus stops in York have also been altered to accomodate them, both features would be redundant if the ftr's were pulled off both 4's onto the P&R.
I bet York City Council would have reservations of there being no human contact on P&R services, especially for visitors new to the city etc.
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Post by Jack on Apr 21, 2010 18:25:16 GMT 1
I bet York City Council would have reservations of there being no human contact on P&R services, especially for visitors new to the city etc. Aren't all the Park & Ride sites staffed anyway?
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Post by jabbott1987 on Apr 21, 2010 18:46:57 GMT 1
I think the Hybrids will be going to York to replace the Ftr's that are going onto the Park & Ride services and the Citaros will be going onto the 4 in Leeds rather than the 1, otherwise what's going to replace the ftr's in York?
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Post by Jack on Apr 21, 2010 18:55:30 GMT 1
Don't forget that there's the Park & Ride B7RLEs which will also get displaced.
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Post by ecwfan on Apr 21, 2010 21:16:08 GMT 1
Im sure Leeds can send some Geminis to York for the 4. York's FTR's move onto Park and ride with Leeds FTR's. York send Citaros to Leeds. York does lack double deckers, and the 1 if a single decker is often very over crowded.
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Post by Matty on Apr 21, 2010 21:29:08 GMT 1
The only problem with having Double deckers on a route that is normally ran by a Bendy is they often become overcrowded as Bendy's have higher capacity for Passengers. (30+ Seated & over 50 Standing)
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Post by ecwfan on Apr 21, 2010 21:35:58 GMT 1
Yes but the 4 can cope fine with a decker, it managed B7L's ok.
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Post by B521UWW on Apr 21, 2010 21:38:12 GMT 1
There is no mention of new buses. Surely there would be just a swap, Leeds Streetcars to York. York Citaro's to Leeds. Ok so there are 15 Citaro's & 17 FTR's but sure they could be utilised properly in York and a couple of the B7RLE's could be sent from York to even things out a bit. Seems like quite a sensible cost effective idea, and any FTR improvements in Leeds would be utilised by the Citaro's that aren't much shorter.
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Post by Matty on Apr 21, 2010 21:42:15 GMT 1
Yes but the 4 can cope fine with a decker, it managed B7L's ok. I was talking about Leeds's 4 & 1 routes - OK
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Post by redthunder on Apr 21, 2010 22:36:36 GMT 1
wonder what would happen to the conductors on the ftr's if the buses did end up going on Park And Rides???
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Post by Matty on Apr 21, 2010 23:00:08 GMT 1
Knowing First, been made redundant!
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Post by ecwfan on Apr 21, 2010 23:03:48 GMT 1
The 4 would no doubt get Deckers in York.
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Post by northrob on Apr 22, 2010 9:34:09 GMT 1
While it seems to make sense to have them all based in York on Park & Ride services, where they more likely to be suited to, I'm not sure they'd fit under the railway bridges on Leeman Road. The delivery of the Citaro's to York were delayed because of them having trouble fitting the air-conditioning units so they would fit under these bridges, and I sure that the ftr's are taller.
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Post by kendall17 on Apr 22, 2010 10:09:52 GMT 1
Anyone have the PVR of the 4, 7,8 & 9 in York?
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Post by kendall17 on Apr 22, 2010 10:14:14 GMT 1
Leeds 1 - 16 Merc Citaros (PVR 13) Leeds 4 - 22 Hybrid D/Ds (PVR 15, remainder to go on other routes)
York 7,8 & 9 - Leeds' 17 FTRs & York's 12 (and any remaining B7RLEs required) York 4 - Displaced D/Ds from Bramley (about 5) & what was left of the York B7RLEs
Thats what i can see happening.
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Post by redthunder on Apr 22, 2010 10:22:52 GMT 1
what about the 2 and 3 P & R routes in York???
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Post by ecwfan on Apr 22, 2010 11:07:50 GMT 1
Would York get any Royales or Geminis ?
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Post by kendall17 on Apr 22, 2010 11:53:01 GMT 1
what about the 2 and 3 P & R routes in York??? Add them into the 29 FTRs, if the 2, 3, 7, 8 & 9 can manage on the Citaros and B7RLEs i'm sure they'd manage on the FTRs & 4/5 B7RLEs. I presume, if anything was to be displaced from Bramley to York it would be Alx400s.
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Post by Jack on Apr 22, 2010 12:00:16 GMT 1
While it seems to make sense to have them all based in York on Park & Ride services, where they more likely to be suited to, I'm not sure they'd fit under the railway bridges on Leeman Road. The delivery of the Citaro's to York were delayed because of them having trouble fitting the air-conditioning units so they would fit under these bridges, and I sure that the ftr's are taller. Unless the 2 is re-routed so it doesn't go via Leeman Road. It could run both ways via Bootham. Do may people use it anyway and get off at the National Rail museum? I was thinking, if the plan does come into fruition. Would it be better to have through routes across the City Centre rather than all the services terminating in the City Centre. You could have 7 and 3 merge into route and the 2 and 9 merge into one. There would be problems with three Park & Ride services stopping on Rougier Street at the large undercover shelter where driver change overs occur.
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