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Post by SF07 on Dec 14, 2009 13:58:17 GMT 1
Some other changes mentioned on WYITA: *443/444 no longer running to/from Barnsley with SYITA not looking at keeping the link *an additional journey introduced each way on the 500. This provides a later journey for people travelling home from Keighley or from Manchester on the train to Hebden Bridge. *5A continues until January 2011 on a trial basis. (Seacroft-Scholes-Cross Gates shuttle no longer being seeked) *129 to Chickenley will run on a 12 month basis. *Later journeys and Sunday service on services 619/629. *653/X53 possibly re-routed in Menston to cover the loss of the 33A during the day. *Changes to Leeds Bradford Airport services with 757 running between Leeds rail station and LBA only (no longer continuing to Otley or Leeds bus station), 747 reduced to hourly with full-sized buses being used and 966 extended from Yeadon to LBA and 967 extended from Otley via Pool to LBA. *No more free buses after Halifax FreeTownBus introduced later in 2010.
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Post by Bradford Traveller on Dec 14, 2009 16:35:11 GMT 1
Some other changes mentioned on WYITA: *Later journeys and Sunday service on services 619/629. THE later and Sunday buses are on a trial basis but not serving Bingley.
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Post by Matty on Dec 14, 2009 18:36:17 GMT 1
Yes HJC are going to be working late so I've heard off the drivers.
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Post by northerner on Dec 14, 2009 19:53:27 GMT 1
an additional journey introduced each way on the 500. This provides a later journey for people travelling home from Keighley or from Manchester on the train to Hebden Bridge. Good news - currently the last bus from Hebden Bridge to Keighley is at 1810, meaning any commuters from Manchester have to get the 1718 train. Hopefully one day Transdev and Northern will team up and offer a joint ticket between Keighley and Manchester. Changes to Leeds Bradford Airport services with 757 running between Leeds rail station and LBA only (no longer continuing to Otley or Leeds bus station Bit surprised at this, whenever I've used the 757 it often picks up people from Kirkstall, Horsforth etc going into Otley. Likewise, many people appear to board/alight at Leeds Bus Station. Can only assume these changes will save a bus
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Post by SF07 on Dec 14, 2009 20:10:16 GMT 1
Good news - currently the last bus from Hebden Bridge to Keighley is at 1810, meaning any commuters from Manchester have to get the 1718 train. Hopefully one day Transdev and Northern will team up and offer a joint ticket between Keighley and Manchester. A point made by WYITA. They said that the latest train is the 5.18pm from Victoria. Having a later journey on the 500 would make it more viable to commute from the Worth Valley to Manchester. They also say having a later journey from Keighley will help students and workers in Keighley who live in or around Hebden Bridge. Buses would run at 6.05pm from Keighley and 7.10pm from Hebden Bridge and should see the 6.05pm from Keighley and 6.33pm from Oxenhope on the 663 withdrawn. Bit surprised at this, whenever I've used the 757 it often picks up people from Kirkstall, Horsforth etc going into Otley. Likewise, many people appear to board/alight at Leeds Bus Station. Can only assume these changes will save a bus WYITA say that should this route change be implemented then it'll make the city centre route simpler and help maintain punctuality. Whether this means it'll just miss out Eastgate and the bus station (turn right from Headrow onto Vicar Lane) or a new inbound route, we'll have to wait to see. Not likely to be in place in January. More likely to be in the Spring, around May. Would have been interesting to see what percentage of passengers do use the 757 to travel to/from Otley. The only figure given by WYITA was travelling to/from the airport, with 30% of passengers on the 757 doing so. www.wyita.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/9A21B39C-06B0-4707-BD5D-9B231DF45DD0/0/TSWG17DECEMBER2009ITEM7.pdf
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Dec 14, 2009 20:21:14 GMT 1
The circular route of the 757 in the city centre means there is no time to layover, so a late running bus into Leeds means a late bus out of Leeds. Terminating at the railway station will solve this.
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Post by Steve Macz403 on Dec 14, 2009 20:47:08 GMT 1
you would think with the reduction in frequency between Horsforth and yeadon on the 33/33a, that the 757 would cover up for any missing 33 journeys.Cutting it to train station would make it short of its existance, what about those who change from Coach journeys to get to LBA. What would happen to Otley journeys though would be a mystery. Unless TLC can use one of the 94x numbers to cover up for loss of Otley- Airport journeys.
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Post by kendall17 on Dec 14, 2009 20:52:00 GMT 1
Anyone with abit of sense would use the Air Line Connections minibus. £5 for me to the airport return which took 40mins. £4 day rider times 2 and about 6hours on the buses. I know what i'd chose!
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Dec 14, 2009 21:18:01 GMT 1
I can see Kendall's point of view if you live outside of Leeds but for those who live in Leeds an extra 20 to 30 mins travelling for a pound saving and the ability to travel to and from the airport anytime you liked, as well as not having to visit several houses along the way would be more attractive. Additionally with a bus you generally can sit somewhere else if you don't like the person your sat next to. With regards to the lost connection from Yeadon and the Airport to Otley and Pool (much quicker and more reliable than the 33a) It's not really lost when you think about it as the 966 extention to the airport looks to be the same bus that turns into the 967 extentiion at the Airport, plus you have the 757 connectiion with the 967.
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Post by Matty on Dec 14, 2009 21:24:39 GMT 1
... Or you can get a Taxi to the airport which is much easier and quicker.
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Dec 14, 2009 21:31:55 GMT 1
... Or you can get a Taxi to the airport which is much easier and quicker. and frighteningly expensive!
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Dec 14, 2009 21:36:35 GMT 1
To me, the 757 seems to be growing in trade. I've often seen buses around lunchtime full to capacity from the airport. I can see why the route needed to be cut because it can run late because of excess passengers.
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Post by Jack on Dec 14, 2009 22:03:33 GMT 1
Is the 757 still a Metro tender fully? It seems the best solution to curtail it to the Airport, more layover time at the Airport would be better than terminating at the Rail Station. Plus, if the bus lays over for a longer period of time at the Airport, more custom could be gained due to more awareness of the service.
On the subjects of taxis, wasn't the rank outside the Airport removed which was one of the factors creating the problems on the Headrow this year?
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Post by kendall17 on Dec 14, 2009 22:29:37 GMT 1
I think the taxi rank outside the Airport was removed but a private hire firm (IIRC SJK?) have won the contract to operate from the Airport and the free phone phones in the airport go direct to said p/h firm.
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Post by Matty on Dec 14, 2009 23:54:12 GMT 1
The 443 and 444 will not operate to Barnsley from January.
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Post by kendall17 on Dec 15, 2009 10:30:29 GMT 1
Some other changes mentioned on WYITA: *443/444 no longer running to/from Barnsley with SYITA not looking at keeping the link The 443 and 444 will not operate to Barnsley from January. Is there an echo in here?
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Post by Matty on Dec 15, 2009 13:58:24 GMT 1
Oh I didn't see that, i've just heard that news from elsewhere.
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Post by leedstom on Dec 15, 2009 18:00:44 GMT 1
I think the taxi rank outside the Airport was removed but a private hire firm (IIRC SJK?) have won the contract to operate from the Airport and the free phone phones in the airport go direct to said p/h firm. Its Arrow Cars that have the Airport contract. They are expensive too but I suppose to pay for the contract they have to recoup the money somehow.
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Post by 77syk7 on Dec 15, 2009 21:24:09 GMT 1
Odd bits and pieces about the Jan 2010 changes:- * at least 2 extra journeys to be run by K-Line to supplement the 900 Huddersfield - Hebden Bridge route (and maybe cover for any new gaps in the network) - 901 number to be used for journeys running direct from Barkisland to Outlane via Stainland (like existing am pk journey) * HJC to run 3 extra journeys Mon-Fri pm pk Halifax - Boothtown only and numbered 376 - why? * K-Line to extend their 357 Huddersfield - Crosland Rd journeys to Mount via Laund Rd to presumably replace the 539 journeys withdrawn by First. * The Wakefield - Barnsley link is severed, but rumour has it that Tates Travel maybe trying to introduce a Barnsley-Wakefield service as a replacement - I do stress here that this is a an unconfirmed rumour!
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Post by Matty on Dec 15, 2009 21:40:32 GMT 1
The extra HJC service to Boothtown is because the drivers need something to do during the time they have layover but no official break and it is probably numbered 376 because they already have destination blinds from the Bradford service they used to operate and so it doesn't confuse passengers, it may also go from the same stop as the 576 and the 357 extension has already happened because past Quarmby is where it gets the most custom as the K-Line drivers were saying.
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Post by 77syk7 on Dec 15, 2009 21:46:20 GMT 1
The 357 currently does a loop beyond Quarmby to Crosland Road (like the revised HJC journeys) - but it is being extended towards Mount via Laund Rd in the next round of changes.
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Post by Matty on Dec 15, 2009 21:49:22 GMT 1
Where did you find this out from?
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Post by 77syk7 on Dec 16, 2009 21:33:42 GMT 1
Like some members of the forum, I like to keep my anonymity and I will not be changing that status. However, let me assure you, that I only share information when I am confident of its contents. The only fact I am less sure about is the comment re- Tates Travel and I have clearly acknowledged that statement above.
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Post by SF07 on Dec 17, 2009 14:34:11 GMT 1
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Post by SF07 on Dec 17, 2009 18:04:03 GMT 1
Something from Huddersfield Bus on VOSA...but not the Calderdale changes. Just a timetable change for the 231/232 service.
PB1078487/8 - Huddersfield Bus Company Limited T/A THE HUDDERSFIELD BUS COMPANY, 102 Cannock St, Leicester, LE4 9HR Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Huddersfield Bus Station and Wakefield Bus Station given service number 231/232 effective from 24-Jan-2010. To amend Timetable.
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