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Post by SCH117X on Mar 8, 2017 19:42:43 GMT 1
Given the red timetable cases are Transdevs then Connexions should think themselves fortunate that Transdev have provided a combined timetable display. The bus that is timed 5 minutes in front of a x70 is a 770 going the slow way between the two towns and is timed for journeys from Wetherby to reach Harrogate after the x70. 770 from Harrogate -20 arrive Wetherby -50 x70 from Harrogate -25 arrive Wetherby -50 770 from Wetherby - 15 arrive Harrogate -48 x70 from Wetherby - 20 arrive Harrogate -45
And when it first started the x70 originally ran 5 minutes in front of the 770 {pot calling kettle...}, which eventually resulted in the 771 and NYCC/Rudding Park having to fund the 770 route between Spofforth and Wetherby Road Harrogate. Competition 1 Council funds 0
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Post by neukit on Mar 8, 2017 21:40:26 GMT 1
Given the red timetable cases are Transdevs then Connexions should think themselves fortunate that Transdev have provided a combined timetable display. The bus that is timed 5 minutes in front of a x70 is a 770 going the slow way between the two towns and is timed for journeys from Wetherby to reach Harrogate after the x70. 770 from Harrogate -20 arrive Wetherby -50 x70 from Harrogate -25 arrive Wetherby -50 770 from Wetherby - 15 arrive Harrogate -48 x70 from Wetherby - 20 arrive Harrogate -45 And when it first started the x70 originally ran 5 minutes in front of the 770 {pot calling kettle...}, which eventually resulted in the 771 and NYCC/Rudding Park having to fund the 770 route between Spofforth and Wetherby Road Harrogate. Competition 1 Council funds 0 The 770 journeys are commercially operated, but receive a relatively small NYCC subsidy per journey to divert off the main road to serve Follifoot. So, if NYCC didn't pay for the diversion the journeys would actually be more competitive!! No mention of the sensible new 771 timetable that provides for a bus every 15 minutes on the direct route, when taken along with the X70. However, we don't want any facts getting in the way of a good old conspiracy theory.
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 18, 2017 11:22:12 GMT 1
Does anyone know what the regular allocations are on the 8 & 38 in Leeds?
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Post by Craig on Mar 19, 2017 1:12:49 GMT 1
The 38 always seems to be Scania Wrights, the 8 is a bit more varied but often an Omnicity, and usually a Solo doing one morning trip before (I think) going on to the 940.
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Post by scania60065 on Mar 20, 2017 20:05:34 GMT 1
The 38 always seems to be Scania Wrights, the 8 is a bit more varied but often an Omnicity, and usually a Solo doing one morning trip before (I think) going on to the 940. The 38 normally is the plain white scania solar (gxb) normally
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Post by westyorkshirebus on Mar 31, 2017 19:30:45 GMT 1
The 8 was all Solos today
I did think they'd got rid of all the ex Lothian presidents but one was parked in Harrogate bus station today. SN51AXS
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Apr 1, 2017 8:50:22 GMT 1
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Post by www.buseireann.ie on Apr 1, 2017 9:01:33 GMT 1
That's a brilliant April 1st prank, how did you manage to get the Metro logo on it?
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Apr 1, 2017 16:59:06 GMT 1
Can anyone actually confirm where the route is running in Acomb, and where the terminus is, as the Metro route description, and Traveline map, has it only serving the Kingsthorpe stop on Green Lane (and terminating), rather than the loop via Cornlands Road, Gale Lane and Front Street, and therefore not serving the top stop on Green Lane.
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Post by stevieinselby on Apr 2, 2017 7:21:17 GMT 1
Can anyone actually confirm where the route is running in Acomb, and where the terminus is, as the Metro route description, and Traveline map, has it only serving the Kingsthorpe stop on Green Lane (and terminating), rather than the loop via Cornlands Road, Gale Lane and Front Street, and therefore not serving the top stop on Green Lane. I can understand them not running around the loop to save time, but if the bus does terminate on Green Lane then it must run up to the top to turn round at the roundabout by Morrison's, so I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't call at the stop nearer the shops than Kingsthorpe.
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Post by SCH117X on Apr 4, 2017 21:27:53 GMT 1
Solo YJ60KFU is now with Torbay Community Development Trust (Our Bus)
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Post by tyresmoke on May 6, 2017 12:18:07 GMT 1
Three Volvo B7TLs added to the fleet from Stagecoach East Scotland are SP51AWV/W/X. The first one to be collected was SP51AWV currently away being painted.
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Post by gooderson1 on May 12, 2017 17:29:05 GMT 1
From N E Traffic Commissioners notice and proceedings dated today:-
Section 5.1 – Notice of Public Inquiries to be Held Public Inquiry (74385) to be held at Hillcrest House (Leeds), LS9 6NF, 386 Harehills Lane, LEEDS, on 25 May 2017 commencing at 10:30 PB1003659 SN HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD Director(s): JONATHON CRAIG TEMPLE, JULIE KAREN TEMPLE, COLIN TEMPLE SECTION 3, SOUTHFIELD LANE, TOCKWITH, YORK, YO26 7QP S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981) Sch.3 - Consideration of Transport Managers Repute under Schedule 3 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981) S26 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 26 (The Transport Act 1985) S28 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 28 (The Transport Act 1985) S155 (The Transport Act 2000)
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Post by gooderson1 on May 12, 2017 18:02:47 GMT 1
For info Sec17 deals with revocation, suspension of licence operations and other matters Sched 3 deals with repute Or the lack of repute for directors, transport managers etc Sec 26 Transport Act deals with operating(or not) of services Sec 28 gives the power to disqualify from operating services etc and last but by no means least Sec 155 Transport 2000 gives the power to impose financial penalties.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on May 12, 2017 22:08:53 GMT 1
From N E Traffic Commissioners notice and proceedings dated today:- Section 5.1 – Notice of Public Inquiries to be Held Public Inquiry (74385) to be held at Hillcrest House (Leeds), LS9 6NF, 386 Harehills Lane, LEEDS, on 25 May 2017 commencing at 10:30 PB1003659 SN HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD Director(s): JONATHON CRAIG TEMPLE, JULIE KAREN TEMPLE, COLIN TEMPLE SECTION 3, SOUTHFIELD LANE, TOCKWITH, YORK, YO26 7QP S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981) Sch.3 - Consideration of Transport Managers Repute under Schedule 3 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981) S26 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 26 (The Transport Act 1985) S28 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 28 (The Transport Act 1985) S155 (The Transport Act 2000) And further down the page Section 5.3 – Notice of Transport Manager Public Inquiries to be Held TM Public Inquiry (Case ID: 401890, Public Inquiry ID: 83311) for STEPHEN WARDELL to be held at Hillcrest House (Leeds), LS9 6NF, 386 Harehills Lane, LEEDS, on 5 June 2017 commencing at 14:00 Article 6 of Regulation (EC) No 1071/2009 sCHEDULE 3 Withdrawn TM Public Inquiry (Case ID: 401708, Public Inquiry ID: 83213) for CRAIG TEMPLE to be held at Hillcrest House (Leeds), LS9 6NF, 386 Harehills Lane, LEEDS, on 25 May 2017 commencing at 10:30 Article 6 of Regulation (EC) No 1071/2009 Schedule 3 Not sure as to which one of the 2 listed the "withdrawn" relates to.
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Post by deerfold on May 13, 2017 7:42:11 GMT 1
From N E Traffic Commissioners notice and proceedings dated today:- Section 5.1 – Notice of Public Inquiries to be Held Public Inquiry (74385) to be held at Hillcrest House (Leeds), LS9 6NF, 386 Harehills Lane, LEEDS, on 25 May 2017 commencing at 10:30 PB1003659 SN HARROGATE COACH TRAVEL LTD Director(s): JONATHON CRAIG TEMPLE, JULIE KAREN TEMPLE, COLIN TEMPLE SECTION 3, SOUTHFIELD LANE, TOCKWITH, YORK, YO26 7QP S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981) Sch.3 - Consideration of Transport Managers Repute under Schedule 3 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981) S26 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 26 (The Transport Act 1985) S28 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 28 (The Transport Act 1985) S155 (The Transport Act 2000) And further down the page Section 5.3 – Notice of Transport Manager Public Inquiries to be Held TM Public Inquiry (Case ID: 401890, Public Inquiry ID: 83311) for STEPHEN WARDELL to be held at Hillcrest House (Leeds), LS9 6NF, 386 Harehills Lane, LEEDS, on 5 June 2017 commencing at 14:00 Article 6 of Regulation (EC) No 1071/2009 sCHEDULE 3 Withdrawn TM Public Inquiry (Case ID: 401708, Public Inquiry ID: 83213) for CRAIG TEMPLE to be held at Hillcrest House (Leeds), LS9 6NF, 386 Harehills Lane, LEEDS, on 25 May 2017 commencing at 10:30 Article 6 of Regulation (EC) No 1071/2009 Schedule 3 Not sure as to which one of the 2 listed the "withdrawn" relates to. Looks like it's been rescheduled from 25 May to 5 June.
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Post by gooderson1 on May 13, 2017 10:38:22 GMT 1
Could also be two separate hearings as it would appear that the company/directors/transport managers are being dealt with under UK legislation at the May hearing and the Jume hearing appears to using European Community regulatioms
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Post by SCH117X on May 13, 2017 10:47:08 GMT 1
If the Section 28 gets upheld will anyone take on the 13 in York, and X4 and X12 in Harrogate? Think the rest of their services are in direct competition with Transdev or are tendered / contracted with the sole exception of the X70 between Wetherby and Tadcaster on which I would expect the 923 will get extended back to Tadcaster
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Post by davopazza on May 13, 2017 12:09:54 GMT 1
If the Section 28 gets upheld will anyone take on the 13 in York, and X4 and X12 in Harrogate? Think the rest of their services are in direct competition with Transdev or are tendered / contracted with the sole exception of the X70 between Wetherby and Tadcaster on which I would expect the 923 will get extended back to Tadcaster How about the 412? Is that still commercial?
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Post by stevieinselby on May 13, 2017 12:31:39 GMT 1
If the Section 28 gets upheld will anyone take on the 13 in York, and X4 and X12 in Harrogate? Think the rest of their services are in direct competition with Transdev or are tendered / contracted with the sole exception of the X70 between Wetherby and Tadcaster on which I would expect the 923 will get extended back to Tadcaster The X1, X6, X52 and X70 between Harrogate and Wetherby are all duplicated by Transdev. The X4 and X12 are likely to be abandoned as NYCC won't fund them and I can't see anyone else taking them on commercially. The 16 and 21 are run under contract and so these would be re-tendered, likewise their services in Leeds. I'm not sure whether the 780 is still under contract or if it is commercial now. I'm sure someone else would take on the 13, even if it might be reduced to hourly. A 2-hourly service between York and Wetherby and a 2-hourly service between Tadcaster, Wetherby and Knaresborough could each be run with a single vehicle and would be easy enough for someone else to take on and ought to be viable. Let's hope it doesn't come to that and Craig takes heed of the warning to smarten up his act - for all that he can be really childish where Transdev are concerned, he does do a decent job of providing buses to routes that other operators won't touch without a hefty handout from the council.
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Post by harrogatecoach on May 14, 2017 21:53:21 GMT 1
As I've put on a Facebook post- those that don't actually know what this is about shouldn't comment. It is purely for service monitoring timetable compliance. I've learned a lot about PI since finding out about this such as the TC doesn't even call you to PI, it's effectively secretaries in the office. Then if you are called for one section, all the rest are listed. Our maintenance is green on the traffic light system with over 90% first time MOT pass rate- way above industry average. The timetable monitoring was done when various Christmas markets were on and road closures were in effect giving a false result. Our own monitoring gives us 95% compliance even on the journeys they monitored, when taken on run of the mill normal days. Please refrain from silly comments - the outcome of this affects 70 people's employment - please look at the personal side of it and think what may have happened if both operators had been monitored at these times,instead of just us (which makes you wonder why they'd monitor only us?)
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Post by gooderson1 on May 15, 2017 8:39:52 GMT 1
I agree with your comments but the notice is clearly marked Public Enquiry which to my way of thinking is exactly what it says. Are you saying that you are not called to the enquiry to give your side of the case. If that does not happen or is not allowed and the matter is dealt with "effectively by secretaries in the office" then a balanced enquiry has not taken place.
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Post by harrogatecoach on May 15, 2017 12:33:30 GMT 1
No, what I'm saying is the decision to call a PI isn't made by the TC but by others in the office. The TC doesn't see anything until the papers are before him just before the enquiry. In the meantime, we have to pay a solicitor to tell the TC what we've already told the monitor who submitted the report. Can't say anything different as it's the truth! Buses don't fly over Christmas market traffic, and can't travel through closed roads that you aren't notified about!
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Post by deerfold on May 15, 2017 18:48:19 GMT 1
Please refrain from silly comments - the outcome of this affects 70 people's employment - please look at the personal side of it and think what may have happened if both operators had been monitored at these times,instead of just us (which makes you wonder why they'd monitor only us?) Only one person has made a negative comment about you. I don't think the outcome is going to depend on any comments on here in any case.
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Post by harrogatecoach on May 15, 2017 19:18:47 GMT 1
Cheers deerfold- I'm sure your right.
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