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Post by harrogatecoach on Jul 31, 2016 21:32:43 GMT 1
Don't know who you are sch, but I'm sure you dont need to twist my words. I've just sent a very strongly worded email to transdev about the lack of any notification about the new screens at Harrogate bus station -them not telling us about it has ensured that our services aren't real time, and in many cases aren't even shown- Id love for you to visit us and I can show you why things for a smaller family run operator aren't quite as straightforward to implement as those for a larger one with more resources
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Post by ajw11239 on Aug 1, 2016 11:21:29 GMT 1
In fairness there, if the live information screens are done with even some funding from the council, then it's completely wrong for Connexions services not to be shown on the screens.
And if it's completely funded by Transdev, I can see why they'd only want it to display their services, but again it's completely wrong to make a false pretence that only their services run in the City. Regardless of who the largest operator is etc, bus stops should non-subjectively show all the services which depart from there.
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Post by SCH117X on Aug 1, 2016 18:18:38 GMT 1
Don't know who you are sch, but I'm sure you dont need to twist my words. I've just sent a very strongly worded email to transdev about the lack of any notification about the new screens at Harrogate bus station -them not telling us about it has ensured that our services aren't real time, and in many cases aren't even shown- Id love for you to visit us and I can show you why things for a smaller family run operator aren't quite as straightforward to implement as those for a larger one with more resources I have not seen the displays at the bus station; what I was referring to are the bus stop displays at the Odean, along the Knaresborough and Leeds Roads and at Bond End Knaresborough, none of which as with the displays in York and on Metros web site never IME show real time for your services.
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Post by harrogatecoach on Aug 1, 2016 19:01:29 GMT 1
We e been trying to sort this for years, since we got the machines
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Post by neukit on Aug 1, 2016 19:47:34 GMT 1
We e been trying to sort this for years, since we got the machines I believe that to be a common problem, suffered by operators large and small, across the country.
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Post by SCH117X on Aug 1, 2016 21:49:44 GMT 1
We e been trying to sort this for years, since we got the machines Presumably the displays at Harrogate bus station use the same system ? If live data shows up on the apple/android apps is it a case that their are two distinct systems and by setting them up to work those apps it fails to register with the system used by Metro etc.
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Post by neukit on Aug 1, 2016 22:32:16 GMT 1
We e been trying to sort this for years, since we got the machines Presumably the displays at Harrogate bus station use the same system ? If live data shows up on the apple/android apps is it a case that their are two distinct systems and by setting them up to work those apps it fails to register with the system used by Metro etc. In my experience there are numerous versions of tracking software out there, and unfortunately they aren't always that good at talking to each other, or to the bits of hardware! It's relatively easy to track the location of a bus (or an other vehicle). The difficult part is translating that information into an accurate "real time" display. Some systems try to do this using the scheduled drivers duty information, others use the scheduled bus working info. However some systems can't cope with route variations, short workings that use the same service number, driver change-overs part way along the route, different duty numbers for different weekdays etc. Just a few of the real examples I have encountered personally in the day job!! So,whilst you'd think it would be straightforward, I can sympathise with anyone that has struggled to get "experts" to make the system work! And even more difficult if it's a foreign supplier!!
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Post by stevieinselby on Aug 2, 2016 7:53:18 GMT 1
We e been trying to sort this for years, since we got the machines Presumably the displays at Harrogate bus station use the same system ? If live data shows up on the apple/android apps is it a case that their are two distinct systems and by setting them up to work those apps it fails to register with the system used by Metro etc. I know that the screens in York don't use the same feed as Nextbuses as I've seen them showing different information at times - no idea how many different feeds there are in total!
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Post by SCH117X on Aug 2, 2016 21:02:07 GMT 1
Think the Harrogate/Knaresborough displays use the same feed as Metro; it would explain the Connexions services missing from the individual stand displays at Harrogate Bus Station as no stand is shown for the X1, X12 or X70 on Metros web pages (and the X1 is shown as being Roadrunner copying the VOSA registration for the service)
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Post by SCH117X on Aug 4, 2016 18:31:19 GMT 1
Walked through Harrogate Bus Station this lunchtime, only the X1 seemed to suffering from no real time display as far as Connexions services go. Leeds bound 36s were not showing however!
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Post by harrogatecoach on Aug 4, 2016 20:00:00 GMT 1
They didn't even tell us they were thinking of doing it to allow us to try and get a feed working. First we knew is when the screens appeared. We are now on back foot and bloke from North Yorkshire who knows who to talk to so we can attempt to get it working is on holiday!
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Post by SCH117X on Sept 14, 2016 18:10:55 GMT 1
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Post by SCH117X on Sept 16, 2016 21:46:59 GMT 1
A new arrival is Olympian T663 VWU parked in Harrogate Bus Station today fully decorated still for 125 years of Huddersfield Buses.
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Post by pub146g on Sept 16, 2016 23:03:00 GMT 1
Yes that's right, think they've got three, that one and 30816 and 30822.
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Post by SCH117X on Sept 18, 2016 15:05:23 GMT 1
They have tweeted a picture of a Stagecoach Strider saying "The latest project on its way for painting in its heritage livery. This ones going to be a good one!" Surely that vehicle is not DDA compliant so it could only have little use. Meanwhile regular service vehicles remain in as acquired colours.
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Post by Burnside on Sept 18, 2016 17:49:55 GMT 1
Someone replied to that tweet asking about the Huddersfield Royale in the background and the reply to that was "Also for preservation" so i would assume the Strider (which IIRC is an ex Cumbria & North Lancashire one new to Harrogate & District) is being preserved.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Sept 18, 2016 18:13:05 GMT 1
They have tweeted a picture of a Stagecoach Strider saying "The latest project on its way for painting in its heritage livery. This ones going to be a good one!" Surely that vehicle is not DDA compliant so it could only have little use. Meanwhile regular service vehicles remain in as acquired colours. Entered into Showbus next Sunday!
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Post by martinjwdton on Sept 18, 2016 20:20:20 GMT 1
It's from kendal the strider
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Post by SCH117X on Sept 18, 2016 22:12:25 GMT 1
Surely they are not going to put the Strider into H&D livery?
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Post by dimmock87 on Sept 18, 2016 23:10:49 GMT 1
Would nt it make more sense to upgrade the fleet so all their buses are up to dda standard then start projects on none dda buses for preservation?
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Post by pub146g on Sept 18, 2016 23:39:58 GMT 1
Would nt it make more sense to upgrade the fleet so all their buses are up to dda standard then start projects on none dda buses for preservation? Their single deck fleet are all up to DDA standard (except N414ENW which I think is used only on schools), just a few not in fleet livery.
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Post by SCH117X on Sept 19, 2016 18:53:44 GMT 1
No real excuse surely for one of the ex Reading/Eddie Brown Scanias not having been painted by now. The three others that spring to mind are blue/white Solo XEZ3357 and white Ominicities S400SLT and S600SLT.
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Post by Arriva Wakefield on Sept 19, 2016 20:21:47 GMT 1
No real excuse surely for one of the ex Reading/Eddie Brown Scanias not having been painted by now. The three others that spring to mind are blue/white Solo XEZ3357 and white Ominicities S400SLT and S600SLT. The Reading Scania needs a MAJOR repanel before paint is thought about. S400SLT could be easily done, as could XEZ3357 S600SLT is Geoff Ripleys, so will stay in white until sold.
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Post by alextransdev on Sept 23, 2016 6:46:11 GMT 1
Would nt it make more sense to upgrade the fleet so all their buses are up to dda standard then start projects on none dda buses for preservation? I think the notion of them focussing on preservation projects instead of the buses their customers use is a very interesting one. It's not a strategy we will be following, hence the ongoing investment in new buses and heavily refurbished buses on our popular routes at Blazefield.
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Post by chrisboy96 on Sept 23, 2016 8:32:13 GMT 1
Would nt it make more sense to upgrade the fleet so all their buses are up to dda standard then start projects on none dda buses for preservation? I think the notion of them focussing on preservation projects instead of the buses their customers use is a very interesting one. It's not a strategy we will be following, hence the ongoing investment in new buses and heavily refurbished buses on our popular routes at Blazefield. Can we clarify that the Strider is the owners own bus and not due for revenue service and does not affect the operation of THE Harrogate Bus Company in anyway.
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